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natsb said:

This behavior puzzles me concerning banners. An AR 15 was not used by the Orlando terrorist, yet that is the weapon the banners want to ban in the aftermath. Even if a ban on AR 15's were in place, it would not stop the terrorist from getting and using the gun he actually used. There is real danger in these knee jerk reactions.

Bill has always had a thing for gun control. Nothing new to see here.

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Of souse it was a knee jerk reaction. That is all the gun control crowd has. Remember that France and Canada has gun control and look at what happened there. Chicago is another gun control area and has that stopped the nightly killing?

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antiquity said:

Agreed..it is legal to buy most guns...but if you mean things like rocket launchers or hand grenades you are wrong. A person even has to have a permit to buy TNT.

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You would need to apply for a destructive devices permit.

But there are people who have such licenses, for example I have met a collected who has functional ww2 bazookas and other heavy weapons and has papers on them. It's not easy but it can be done.

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natsb said:

This behavior puzzles me concerning banners. An AR 15 was not used by the Orlando terrorist, yet that is the weapon the banners want to ban in the aftermath. Even if a ban on AR 15's were in place, it would not stop the terrorist from getting and using the gun he actually used. There is real danger in these knee jerk reactions.

Bill has always had a thing for gun control. Nothing new to see here.

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Oh please, any ban that captures an AR 15 will also ban the rifle used - "AR-15" is merely shorthand for that style weapon.

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JasperL said:

Oh please, any ban that captures an AR 15 will also ban the rifle used - "AR-15" is merely shorthand for that style weapon.

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One would wonder why you took the time to make the image of the MCX tiny. Is it because you don't want people to see that it is not an AR 15?

No, an AR 15 is a very specific type of weapon with specific parts that are interchangeable with other AR 15s. Except for the magazine, the MCX is proprietary.

Test question: Why can't an AR 15 have a folding stock like the MCX?

This post makes it clear that banners are basing their judgement on looks rather than functionality. Instead of picking on the AR 15, why not just come out and say all scary rifles should be banned.

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natsb said:

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One would wonder why you took the time to make the image of the MCX tiny. Is it because you don't want people to see that it is not an AR 15?

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I pulled the MCX image off the sig sauer website, the AR 15 off Google images. It's how they came across.

I obviously posted the two images to show they're similar weapons, although different makes, which was the point - I'll repeat it for you: "Oh please, any ban that captures an AR 15 will also ban the rifle used - "AR-15" is merely shorthand for that style weapon."

No, an AR 15 is a very specific type of weapon with specific parts that are interchangeable with other AR 15s. Except for the magazine, the MCX is proprietary.

Test question: Why can't an AR 15 have a folding stock like the MCX?

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Yes, I'm impressed with your gun knowledge, while you're at it please let me know that it's a mag not a clip, but you're completely ignoring the post.

This post makes it clear that banners are basing their judgement on looks rather than functionality. Instead of picking on the AR 15, why not just come out and say all scary rifles should be banned.

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What is the big distinction in functionality between the AR-15 and the MCX? And this distinction is sufficient that a ban on the "AR-15" and similar weapons would still allow sales of the MCX?

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Glen Contrarian said:

No one is getting "disarmed" since "disarming" means taking away all firearms. And how about this - let's either require all American citizens to be part of the militia...or agree that the time of the militia (and as a result, the "shall not be infringed" part of the 2A) is long past, and that the necessity of such is long gone, too.

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It would require the passing of another amendment. You know how that works, right?

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Glen Contrarian said:

From Raw Story:

Something is definitely going on over at Fox News — where two hosts have come out in favor of gun control laws.

Gretchen Carlson surprised viewers Tuesday afternoon by calling on lawmakers to reinstate a ban on weapons like the AR-15 that a gunman used to murder 49 people and wound 53 more at a gay nightclub in Orlando.

Later that evening, Bill O’Reilly cast some blame on conservatives for the domestic terror attack and hate crime, which he said might have been prevented or lessened if the killer hadn’t been able to buy the weapons he used.

“There is too much gun crime in the USA, and high powered weaponry is too easy to get,” O’Reilly said. “That’s the fact. So let’s deal with it. We all have the right to bear arms, but we don’t have the right to buy and maintain mortars — even if you feel threatened by gangsters or a New World Order. No bazookas, no Sherman tanks, no hand grenades. That’s because the Second Amendment clearly states the government has a right to regulate militias, made up of individuals. They have that right in the name of public safety.”

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If O'reilly thinks this is whats happening in the US then he is an idiot.

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Glen Contrarian said:

Riiiiiiight. I can just see how the right-wing gun nut would react to the Muslim standing next to him in line armed with an M-16....

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Apparently you don't know what an M-16 is.

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natsb said:

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One would wonder why you took the time to make the image of the MCX tiny. Is it because you don't want people to see that it is not an AR 15?

No, an AR 15 is a very specific type of weapon with specific parts that are interchangeable with other AR 15s. Except for the magazine, the MCX is proprietary.

Test question: Why can't an AR 15 have a folding stock like the MCX?

This post makes it clear that banners are basing their judgement on looks rather than functionality. Instead of picking on the AR 15, why not just come out and say all scary rifles should be banned.

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Because the AR operating system works on gas blow back (DI) to cycle the bolt it requires a buffer tube for the spring loaded buffer, which is located in the butt stock, to travel back and forth. Therefore the stock is stationary.

The MCX is piston driven and requires no buffer tube.

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1065968803 said:

It would require the passing of another amendment. You know how that works, right?

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What specifically are you claiming would require the passing of a new amendment?

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1065968803 said:

It would require the passing of another amendment. You know how that works, right?

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No, it wouldn't. All it would require is a courageous SCOTUS.

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Glen Contrarian said:

No one is getting "disarmed" since "disarming" means taking away all firearms. And how about this - let's either require all American citizens to be part of the militia...or agree that the time of the militia (and as a result, the "shall not be infringed" part of the 2A) is long past, and that the necessity of such is long gone, too.

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The government can't pass a law that infringes on our right to keep and bear arms. Period. The word, "certain", doesn't appear anywhere in the 2nd Amendment.

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Glen Contrarian said:

No, it wouldn't. All it would require is a courageous SCOTUS.

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The Supreme Court can't change The Constitution.

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haymarket said:

What specifically are you claiming would require the passing of a new amendment?

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A gun ban.

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1065968840 said:

Apparently you don't know what an M-16 is.

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Ignorance breeds fear. Anti-gunners fear guns, because they're ignorant.

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People are such ****ing sheep.

"Reinstating the assault rifle ban" would mean NO weapons in existence or on the market would be impacted, no magazines already in circulation would be impacted, and most importantly...weapons used in LESS THAN% of all gun violence would be targeted.

NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly said he supports an assault weapons ban but told CBS News' Bob Schieffer on "Face the Nation" that illegal handguns are much more widely used in violent crimes. However, Commissioner Kelly said only 2% of those arrested in gun-related crimes in the past two years have possessed an assault rifle. Of the murders in New York City in 2012, 60% were caused by handguns, he added. There were 414 homicides, a record low for New York City.

"Handguns account for nearly all murders by firearm in New York City and state, data show. An analysis by the NYPD determined that assault weapons were used in just three of the 1,400 instances of gunplay in the city last year."

3 BULLETS of 1400 fired.

THREE.

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Glen Contrarian said:

No, it wouldn't. All it would require is a courageous SCOTUS.

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If by "courageous" you mean to totally disregard the US Constitution and throw it out, including all other Rights that will get thrown out at the same time. Welcome folks to they type of talk that leads to tyrannical dictatorships where the only opinions allowed are those held by those that are in power.

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Glen Contrarian said:

From Raw Story:

Something is definitely going on over at Fox News — where two hosts have come out in favor of gun control laws.

Gretchen Carlson surprised viewers Tuesday afternoon by calling on lawmakers to reinstate a ban on weapons like the AR-15 that a gunman used to murder 49 people and wound 53 more at a gay nightclub in Orlando.

Later that evening, Bill O’Reilly cast some blame on conservatives for the domestic terror attack and hate crime, which he said might have been prevented or lessened if the killer hadn’t been able to buy the weapons he used.

“There is too much gun crime in the USA, and high powered weaponry is too easy to get,” O’Reilly said. “That’s the fact. So let’s deal with it. We all have the right to bear arms, but we don’t have the right to buy and maintain mortars — even if you feel threatened by gangsters or a New World Order. No bazookas, no Sherman tanks, no hand grenades. That’s because the Second Amendment clearly states the government has a right to regulate militias, made up of individuals. They have that right in the name of public safety.”

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The issue now is the same it has always been: the Second Amendment. Gun ownership is constitutionally protected. I'll take gun control seriously when someone has the honesty to say they have to take that on. Until then it's all just posturing and positioning.

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apdst said:

Ignorance breeds fear......

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It sure does....

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VanceMack said:

People are such ****ing sheep."Reinstating the assault rifle ban" would mean NO weapons in existence or on the market would be impacted, no magazines already in circulation would be impacted, and most importantly...weapons used in LESS THAN% of all gun violence would be targeted. NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly said he supports an assault weapons ban but told CBS News' Bob Schieffer on "Face the Nation" that illegal handguns are much more widely used in violent crimes. However, Commissioner Kelly said only 2% of those arrested in gun-related crimes in the past two years have possessed an assault rifle. Of the murders in New York City in 2012, 60% were caused by handguns, he added. There were 414 homicides, a record low for New York City. "Handguns account for nearly all murders by firearm in New York City and state, data show. An analysis by the NYPD determined that assault weapons were used in just three of the 1,400 instances of gunplay in the city last year." 3 BULLETS of 1400 fired. THREE.

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People are such ****ing sheeple... running to the local firearms store to buy anything with a barrel and mag well when the NRA wails about the eminent banning of firearms if the sheeple don't send millions of dollars to K street lobbyists... :roll:

As to pistols- beefing up the ATF's ability to close down 'gun' stores that violate ATF regulations in a timely fashion, having the stores audited more than once every 5 years, and allowing the ATF to revisit offenders WITHOUT a warrant is a small step in the correct direction... eace

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Moot said:

It sure does....

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That's a great example of Obama lying his ass of, huh? Good job pointing that out.

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Jack Hays said:

The issue now is the same it has always been: the Second Amendment. Gun ownership is constitutionally protected. I'll take gun control seriously when someone has the honesty to say they have to take that on. Until then it's all just posturing and positioning.

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I'll surrender my guns when Obama and Clinton disarm their security details for their families.

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notquiteright said:

People are such ****ing sheeple... running to the local firearms store to buy anything with a barrel and mag well when the NRA wails about the eminent banning of firearms if the sheeple don't send millions of dollars to K street lobbyists... :roll:

As to pistols- beefing up the ATF's ability to close down 'gun' stores that violate ATF regulations in a timely fashion, having the stores audited more than once every 5 years, and allowing the ATF to revisit offenders WITHOUT a warrant is a small step in the correct direction... eace

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I completely agree. People should buy guns because they want them when they want them and certainly not as a kneejerk reaction to the morons and the assclowns on the left calling for gun bans.

Mandatory minimum sentencing of 40 years PLUS the original sentence is a direct measure to target those committing the violent crimes in this country. You in?

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Glen Contrarian said:

From Raw Story:

Something is definitely going on over at Fox News — where two hosts have come out in favor of gun control laws.”

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Gretchen Carlson surprised viewers Tuesday afternoon by calling on lawmakers to reinstate a ban on weapons like the AR-15 that a gunman used to murder 49 people and wound 53 more at a gay nightclub in Orlando.

I don't know why anyone would be surprised that Gretchen came out with that opinion. She was a liberal when she was hired by fox news and she has not changed. Nothing new with Gretchen.

Later that evening, Bill O’Reilly cast some blame on conservatives for the domestic terror attack and hate crime, which he said might have been prevented or lessened if the killer hadn’t been able to buy the weapons he used.

“There is too much gun crime in the USA, and high powered weaponry is too easy to get,” O’Reilly said. “That’s the fact. So let’s deal with it. We all have the right to bear arms, but we don’t have the right to buy and maintain mortars — even if you feel threatened by gangsters or a New World Order. No bazookas, no Sherman tanks, no hand grenades. That’s because the Second Amendment clearly states the government has a right to regulate militias, made up of individuals. They have that right in the name of public safety.

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Bill O'reilly is and always has been a bloviating narcissist. The left likes to think he is a conservative guru along the likes of Rush Limbaugh, however he has always hugged the center to moderate right out of fear of losing his "no spin zone" persona. He has never actually taken a profoundly conservative stance on anything. And he is a drama queen adding the comparison to mortars, bazookas, sherman tanks, grenades etc. No second amendment supporter is suggesting that the second amendment gives anyone a right to high explosive weapons or fulling functioning battle tanks. And O'Reilly is a horses ass when he gives conservatives any blame at all for the Orlando shooter. It was not conservatives that took his name off the terror list. And the number of naive politicians and posters who think everything would be alright if we just had tougher gun control laws is astounding. The Orlando shooter planned this event well in advance. Does anyone really think he would have just said "Oh Damn. I can't buy the guns legally, so I will just cancel my plans"???????? He would have obtained the weapons he desired, one way or other. And as for the "too much gun crime in the USA" O'Reilly should be aware that the vast majority of gun crime in the USA is in the hood...the inner cities. And if we were able to subtract the gun crime in four specific US cities, the USA would be about fourth from the bottom of the list in the category of gun crime.

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haymarket said:

This is encouraging. Thank for the update.

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What exactly is encouraging to you? Two new york liberals supporting gun control?