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Western Kentucky Professor: Trump's victory signals that human decency is no longer an American virtue

People in my opinion were remembering how they lived under Trump to how they were living today. As time passed, 4 years, the remembrance of how things were becoming better and better than what it actually was and it’s that remembrance they took to the ballot box to what they were facing today. In 2020, Trump was soundly beaten. That was a case of what was at that time vs. what may be in the future under Biden. In 2024, it was a case of what is today vs. what they remembered of what was. People tend to forget the bad and remember the good the more time that passes. They remembered paying 1.50 for a loaf of bread under Trump, today it’s 3.00 or a pack of hot dogs cost 3.00 back then, 6.00 today. The way they remembered the past was to them much better than what is today.
 
Those people need to realize that when labor was in short supply, employers had to pay more money to attract employees. That in turn led to an increase in production / operating costs
making product price increases unavoidable. When fast food restaurants like McDonalds had to increase pay from 8 to 15 dollars an hour the price of a Big Mac is going up.
I have long thought the American voter, for the most part, has the memory and attention span of a gnat.
 
Americans have a low litmus test in leadership that is for sure.
 
Corbell said:
One riot in a generation. It wasa a fluke.
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One riot in 100 years. It was an insurrection. Are you even listening to yourself? I doubt it.
There's no hysteria anywhere in my post. What kind of sick projection are you engaged in?
Corbell said:
... that had no lasting impact. It delayed a formality by a few hours.
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It had no lasting impact because it FAILED! Had it succeeded, it would have had a devastating impact. Any other interpretation of those events amounts to nothing short of breathtaking denial of the facts.
Corbell said:
But, hey, keep it up. It didn't work in the election, but maybe if you keep doing it, you will eventually convince people that htey need to be afraid of Trump. lol.
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Trump will be convincing them of that all by himself. I'm content to just cite the events, highlight his decisions, and quote his fascists rhetoric.
 
Gardener said:
You can see it for yourself on YouTube.

The girl confirmed that he did it.
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You Tube as a citation bwahaha

But please humor us, link it
 
911Sparky said:
I don't understand how voters could fail to give credit to Biden for bringing us out of the covid recession and the covid virus. trump mishandled both and yet they gave him a second chance
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The lockdown hurt the economy. Undoing the lockdown would allow the economy to bounce back. That wasn't Biden. That was just the nature of hte beast.

That's my take on it anyway. As a voter how did not give Biden Credit.
 
BabaVoss said:
Please stop. Trump arranged it, fed it, had his cronies add to the hype. He asked those people to be there. The criminals testified that they were there at his request. They were there for him. Did they make that up?
"Be there. Will be wild"
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Trump arranged a protest to put political pressure on Pence and congress.

When you have ONE republican riot in a generation, you can't know when it is coming. That is the nature of a fluke.

Oohh, I lke that bit, they testified that "they were there at his request".

I like that. You pretend to not know that there was a protest that day, and are acting like there was just the riot.


That's really dishonest and shows that you have nothing real to back up your postion. Because if you had anything real, you would have used that.
 


I bet he doesn't.

And yes, one riot in a generation. There was another republican riot the previous generation. Some lefty posted about it a while ago....


Damn, I forget where and when. Fudge.
 
What you are engaged in is intentional ignorance. By ignoring reality, you can pretend what you are saying is true.

Events leading up to the insurrection on Jan 6th tell the real story. You can find it here and read it for yourself;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

Here are just a few highlights of the events from Dec 19 - Dec 31st.
  • December 19:
    • 1:42 a.m. – Trump announces the January 6 rally on Twitter, stating: "Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"
  • December 20:
    • The domain name wildprotest.com is registered to host a website advertising a protest near the Capitol building from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. on January 6.
  • December 21:
    • Trump met with several Republican Members of Congress at the White House to discuss "the planning and strategy for January the 6th."
  • December 22:
    • Oath Keepers' Florida chapter leader Kelly Meggs writes on Facebook "Trump said It's gonna be wild!!!!!!!", adding "It's gonna be wild!!!!!!! He wants us to make it WILD that's what he's saying. He called us all to the Capitol and wants us tomakeitwild!!!! SirYesSir!!! Gentlemen we are heading to DC pack your shit!!"
  • December 23:
    • John Eastman wrote a memo on January 6 strategy proposing that "Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected ...The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission..." At 1:32 p.m., Eastman emailed Trump’s assistant asking to speak to the president about "strategic thinking." Five minutes later, the White House called Eastman; the call lasted nearly 23 minutes.
    • Trump tweeted an allegation that Georgia officials were deliberately hiding evidence of fraud.
  • December 25: Pence called Trump to wish him a merry Christmas. Trump changed the subject, asking Pence to reject electoral votes on January 6, to which Pence objected.Pence admonished Trump: "You know [that] I don't think I have the authority to change the [election] outcome". (The line appeared in Pence's memoir with a comma after "you know", implying that the phrase was merely conversational; Pence told prosecutors that the comma should not have been printed.)
  • December 27:
    • In a phone call, discussing the allegations about State Farm Arena in Georgia, acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue remind Trump that "DOJ can't and won't snap its fingers and change the outcome of the election." They say they have reviewed video and interviewed witnesses, yet there is no evidence of fraud. Trump replies: "Just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the R[epublican] Congressmen".
    • President Trump promotes the January 6 rally on Twitter.
  • December 28:
    • Jeffrey Clark drafts a letter to Georgia's governor and leaders of the Georgia House and Senate. The letter asks the Georgia General Assembly to call a "special session" to consider claims of election irregularities, decide who "won the most legal votes," and "take whatever action is necessary to ensure that one of the slates of Electors cast on December 14 will be accepted by Congress on January 6."Pat Cipollone warns Trump that the letter will "damage everyone who touches it. And we should have nothing to do with that letter." Rosen and Donoghue refuse to sign the letter, and it is not sent. (It is later mentioned in ethics charges filed against Clark on July 19, 2022.)
  • December 30:
    • President Trump again announces the date of the January 6 rally on Twitter.
  • December 31:
    • The Berkeley Research Group, hired by the Trump campaign to investigate whether there had been voter fraud, had found nothing, and at some point during the last few days of December, they reported this to Trump and Meadows on a conference call.
    • Trump signs his fraud allegations in his lawsuit against Georgia, and Eastman helps him file it, even though Eastman acknowledges in an email that Trump knows some of these allegations are false.
    • To reserve a room for January 6, 2021 at Trump’s D.C. hotel, customers are shown a price of $8,000.
This event was created and coordinated.
 
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We not only agree, but seem to be expanding on each other's points.

I do get/understand/agree @911Sparky point on here. It is a wild concept that people actually believe that 2024 America was worse than 2020 America. But it is an unfortunate reality that Biden/Harris Administration has received little-to-no-credit for the economic gains we have seen since April of 2022 (end of the 2-year COVID recession). Maybe down-the-road people will see it differently, but the 2024 election broke some statistical trends: Misery Index algorithm and the GDP algorithm.
 
Events from Jan 1 - Jan 4th

Friday, January 1, 2021
  • Trump tweets the date and time of the January 6 rally.He then retweets a supporter who wrote, "The calvary [sic] is coming, Mr. President! JANUARY 6th | Washington, DC", to which Trump responds, "A great honor!".
  • Trump phones Pence and tells him his refusal to participate in the scheme is "too honest".
Saturday, January 2, 2021
  • On a conference call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, Trump claimed that "we have won this election in Georgia," and he demanded from Raffensperger: "I just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes, which is one more than [the 11,779 vote margin of defeat] we have, because we won the state." He warned Raffensperger that he was taking a "big risk" by not signing on to the false claim of a Trump victory.
  • Thirteen U.S. senators, including Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley, along with 100 Republican members of the House, vow to object to the election certification.
  • Amy Kremer of Women for America First announces a rally at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C., on January 6 starting at 7 am.
  • Carol Corbin (DOD) texts United States Capitol Police (USCP) Deputy Chief Sean Gallagher, Protective Services Bureau, to determine whether USCP is considering a request for National Guard soldiers for January 6, 2021, event
Sunday, January 3, 2021
  • USCP Deputy Chief Gallagher replies to DOD via text that a request for National Guard support is not forthcoming at this time after consultation with USCP COP Sund.
  • Trump announces that he will be at the Ellipse rally.
  • Trump orders recently-appointed Secretary of Defense Christopher C. Miller to "do whatever was necessary to protect the demonstrators" on January 6.
  • Trump falsely claims that Raffensperger didn't address his fraud allegations.
  • An internal Capitol Police intelligence report warns that enraged protesters flanked by white supremacists and extreme militia groups are likely to arrive in Washington armed for battle and target Congress on January 6.
  • The National Park Service issues a permit to "Rally to Revival" for the January 5 rally in Freedom Plaza. The permit notes that there is no march associated with the event.
  • In a heated Oval Office meeting, Trump pushes his plan to install Jeffrey Clark as head of DOJ.
  • Clark discusses the scheme with deputy White House counsel Patrick Philbin. Philbin warns him that Trump can't simply seize power, as Americans will riot. Clark replies that the Insurrection Act could be used to quell the protests.
  • Pence asked the Senate parliamentarian if there were any other electors whose votes he should consider during the certification.
Monday, January 4, 2021
  • In the morning, John Eastman calls the Arizona House Speaker, admitting he's unfamiliar with the local "facts on the ground" yet urging the Arizona House Speaker to use the state legislature to decertify the real electors and "let the courts sort it out."
  • USCP COP Sund asks Senate Sergeant at Arms (SSAA) Michael Stenger and House Sergeant at Arms (HSAA) Paul Irving for authority to have National Guard to assist with security for the January 6, 2021, event based on briefing with law enforcement partners and revised intelligence
  • COP Sund's request is denied. SSAA and H.SAA tells COP Sund to contact General Walker at DC National Guard to discuss the guard's ability to support a request if needed.
  • COP Sund notifies General Walker of DC National Guard, indicating that the USCP may need DC National Guard support for the January 6, 2021, but does not have the authority to request at this time.
  • General Walker advises COP Sund that in the event of an authorized request, DC National Guard could quickly repurpose 125 troops helping to provide DC with COVID-related assistance. Troops would need to be sworn in as USCP.
  • Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio is arrested in D.C. and charged for burning a Black Lives Matter banner on December 12 and possession of two high capacity firearm magazines that were in his possession at the time of his arrest.
  • Secretary of Defense Miller issued orders which prohibited deploying D.C. Guard members with weapons, helmets, body armor or riot control agents without his personal approval.
  • 3:30 p.m.: Trump campaign lawyer Matt Morgan emails Kenneth Chesebro to ask if Congress has received all the documents for the slates of fake electors. Chesebro replies that he should ask campaign official Mike Roman.
  • Pence took notes at a meeting, recording that Trump repeated false claims such as that he "won every state by 100,000 of votes" and that there were “205,000 votes more in PA than voters.”
  • Representative Liz Cheney is accidentally included on a call between Trump’s allies, and she listens as they plot to convince Pence to obstruct or delay the vote count.
 
Events from Jan 5th - Jan 6th

Tuesday, January 5, 2021
  • Shortly after midnight, former Houser Speaker Paul Ryan texts Liz Cheney: "I worry he [Pence] breaks but think he will not."
  • 8:57 a.m.: Steve Bannon calls Trump. They speak for 11 minutes.
  • After the phone call, Bannon addresses his podcast audience: "All hell is going to break loose tomorrow. We're on ... the point of attack ... strap in."[144]
  • Anika Collier Navaroli, a member of Twitter's safety team, says on an internal call: “I am very concerned about what happens tomorrow, especially given what we have been seeing. For months we have been allowing folks to maintain and say on the platform that they’re locked and loaded, that they’re ready to shoot people, that they’re ready to commit violence.” (She later testifies that Twitter was reluctant to suspend Trump because he was one of their most powerful and popular users.)
  • In the morning, thousands of Trump supporters gather at Freedom Plaza near the White House in advance of planned protests against the certification of Joe Biden as President-elect.[147] The first rally is the March to Save America from 1–2 p.m., then Stop the Steal from 3:30–5:00 p.m., followed by the Eighty Percent Coalition from 5:00–8:30 p.m.
  • D.C. National Guard Commanding Major General William J. Walker receives new orders from Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy stating that he must seek approval from McCarthy and Defense secretary Miller before preparing to respond to a civil disturbance.Previously, he had authority to respond without first seeking permission.
  • At least ten people are arrested during the evening and into Wednesday morning, several on weapons charges.
  • Representative Jim Jordan forwarded a text message to Mark Meadows. It said: “On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all – in accordance with guidance from founding father Alexander Hamilton and judicial precedence.
  • Pipe bombs found the next day were placed outside the Washington, D.C., offices of the RNC and DNC national headquarters between 7:30–8:30 p.m., according to the FBI.
  • Trump made several calls to his associates at the Willard Hotel, where a command center or "war room" had been established in a set of rooms and suites. Trump personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, Bannon, Eastman, and Boris Epshteyn led the team. Michael Flynn, Roger Stone and Bernard Kerikwere also present. Trump called to tell them that Pence was refusing the Pence Card strategy that Eastman had proposed earlier in the day in an Oval Office meeting. He discussed ways to delay the certification in order to get alternate slates of electors for Trump sent to Congress, as he, Giuliani and Eastman had discussed by conference call with 300 state legislators on January 2. Trump discussed some topics only with lawyers at the Willard so as to preserve the confidentiality afforded by attorney-client privilege.
  • 9:46 p.m.: Steve Bannon calls Trump. They speak for 6 minutes
  • 10:00 p.m.: Kayleigh McEnany texts Elliot Gaiser at approximately this time, asking him whether Pence has the power to object to the election results. She later told the January 6th committee that she was curious about this possibility because, earlier that day or the day before, she had overheard Trump discussing it in the Oval Office with an outside attorney (whom she believed was John Eastman) on speakerphone, while Corey Lewandowski listened in person in the Oval Office.
Attack on the Capitol

At noon, Trump began an over one-hour speech encouraging protesters to march the U.S. Capitol and peacefully and patriotically have your voices heard. At 12:49 p.m., Capitol Police responded to reports of an explosive device, later identified as a pipe bomb. At 12:53 p.m., nineteen minutes before Trump ended his speech, rioters overran the perimeter of the Capitol building, and at 2:06 p.m. they entered the building through the Columbus Doors.

Trump's tweet requesting the crowd to "stay peaceful" is sent roughly half an hour later, at 2:38 p.m. However, at 2:44 p.m., a Capitol Police officer inside the Speaker's Lobby adjacent to the House chambers shot and fatally wounded rioter Ashli Babbitt as she climbed through a broken window of a barricaded door. Minutes later, Governor of Virginia Ralph Northam activated all available assets of the State of Virginia including the Virginia National Guard to aid the U.S. Capitol, although the Department of Defense still had not authorized it. By 3:15 p.m., assets from Virginia began rolling into D.C.

An hour later, at 4:17 p.m, a video of Trump was uploaded to Twitter in which he instructed "you have to go home now". Fifteen minutes later, Secretary Miller authorized the D.C. National Guard to actually deploy.
 
I agree with all of this, but we have to understand that most voters do not pay attention to the news or understand how the economy operates. This is where Biden, Harris, and even Tim Walz failed us. Trump made the case that the country was in a depression or experiencing stagflation.

Biden's administration was hampered by an obstructionist Republican Party. Between 2021 and 2022, they could only produce water-down legislation. For 2023 and 2024, nothing was accomplished because the GOP controlled the House and they refused to address any of America's top concerns.

Bad communication skills from Biden and Harris.
 
BrotherFease said:
You can read the full article here. Here are some snippets on key points:

This is a terrific, but sad great read. Quite frankly, I cannot disagree with a single word he wrote. Do you guys think human decency is dead?
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No, I think the professor is a revolutionary minded idiot.
 
Biden wasn’t a president to go around tooting his own horn. He liked to remain behind the scenes. Much like Eisenhower who did quite a lot behind the scenes. IKE was if my memory right rated 22nd on the presidential rankings. But over time, as more and more information became available to what he had done has now risen up to 8th. Biden may be in the same boat so to speak. When Truman left office, his job approval was down to 33%, he couldn’t have been elected dog catcher. But history has elevated him to a near great president status. What we see now doesn’t mean that 20-30 years down the road, the view of a president won’t change. Sometimes for the better like IKE and Truman, sometimes for the worse.

I’d say this election was basically a draw. Yes, Trump won, but won by a slim 1.6 points, the GOP lost 2 house seats while gaining 4 senate seats. Only one of those four senate gains was in a swing state, the other three in solid red states. It’s like a football game in which both times are tied 30-30 at the end of 60 minutes of play, it goes into overtime where one team kicks a field goal and wins the game. Then hollers about how bad they smashed the other team. Thus according to many republicans, a mandate. Yes, it was a win, but not a dominating mandate, landslide win.
 


The rally was created and coordinated. NOthing in there in any way supports your position.

You are being silly.
 
Corbell said:
The rally was created and coordinated. NOthing in there in any way supports your position.

You are being silly.
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You can’t possibly read through the events detailed in that link and come away thinking this violence was not encouraged, fed, and orchestrated. If you read the transcripts of the speeches by Trump and his cronies at the ellipse that day there is no question they were designed to inflame and enrage the people there, who have been listening to trump lie about the stolen election for months and months. It is impossible to ignore.

Yet here you are. You are in a cult.
 
Corbell said:
The rally was created and coordinated. NOthing in there in any way supports your position.

You are being silly.
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Everything he posted supported his position. Instead of addressing the actual facts he posted, you used the word "nothing" which shows you understand nothing.
 
yankintx said:
You Tube as a citation bwahaha

But please humor us, link it
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I understand.

You believe what Big Brother tells you instead of what you can see with your own eyes.
 


It was clearly designed to rile up the people to have a loud and "wild" protest rally to put pressure on Pence and Congress.


The way you keep presenting their standard rah-rah paritsan cheer leading, in the context of the once in a generation fluke riot,


doesn't prove anything.


YOU are the one ignoring reality.
 
soap box said:
Everything he posted supported his position. Instead of addressing the actual facts he posted, you used the word "nothing" which shows you understand nothing.
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HE shows people talking about organizing the protest and he pretends that they are talking about the riot that was a once in a generation fluke.


That is shit talk. NOthing more.
 
Trump literally told them to walk down to the capitol. But your cult status is secure. Connecting the obvious dots is not allowed in the cult.
 
BabaVoss said:
Trump literally told them to walk down to the capitol. But your cult status is secure. Connecting the obvious dots is not allowed in the cult.
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Walk TO the capitol.

Wow. So clear. So.... you read that and to you it means, "STORM THE PLACE AND GO INTO THE BUILDING, AND... SOMETHING?"


OK. you are in the cult, not me.
 
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