Western Kentucky Professor: Trump's victory signals that human decency is no longer an American virtue

[eman623]

Your two sentences indicate you agree with the professor's thesis. People do not care about the morality of the candidate, no matter how bad they are.

They don't care about the morality of their candidate. Only the other candidate gets scrutinized.

 

[Brack]

The top court seems pretty dedicated to the Constitution, unlike previous courts. That means that Trump is right in line with them. Congress, both houses, is under control of the Republicans. So the type of obstruction, and let's face it, outright treason we saw in 2017 is unlikely to repeat.

I think the America first agenda to restore the Constitution, individual liberty, and American leadership has a pretty good shot of success. Obviously democrats, along with China, Russia, and Iran will do all they can to subvert and scuttle it. Still this is the best chance America has had since Reagan.

When Trump becomes president again, I believe that we will be seeing a bit more authoritarianism in this country.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I never previously realized there were so many Americans sympatico with felons, racists, and Nazis. The advent of Trumpism has allowed such creatures to slither out from their mildewy spidey-holes.

Terribly sad day for America. And just in case anyone gets the notion that maybe Trump has reformed, his miserable appointments drive a wooden stake into any such Pollyannish optimism.

 

[NOLA Dude]

I never previously realized there were so many Americans sympatico with felons, racists, and Nazis. The advent of Trumpism has allowed such creatures to slither out from their mildewy spidey-holes.

Terribly sad day for America. And just in case anyone gets the notion that maybe Trump has reformed, his miserable appointments drive a wooden stake into any such Pollyannish optimism.

You know those MSNBC talking points only work in the minds of the left wingers right?

 

[The Hairy Fiddler]

You can read the full article here. Here are some snippets on key points:

This is a terrific, but sad great read. Quite frankly, I cannot disagree with a single word he wrote. Do you guys think human decency is dead?

The article spells out exactly who Trump is and what America now represents. But look at all of the MAGA posters here that emulate Trump's vile and disgusting, anti-American behaviors. These people and their rancid stench make this website intolerable for many.

Under Trump, the US, morally speaking. is truly a shithole country.

How do MAGA people raise their kids? It's OK to lie, cheat, cheat on your spouse. rape women, break virtually everyone of God's commandments?

Yup, this is what America has become and it's going to get worse moving forward. In fact, a lot worse.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Your two sentences indicate you agree with the professor's thesis. People do not care about the morality of the candidate, no matter how bad they are.

The "thesis" of the activist pretending to be an educator is "Orange Man Bad."

 

[Uncensored2008]

When Trump becomes president again, I believe that we will be seeing a bit more authoritarianism in this country.

That's because you listen to the DNC media instead of dealing with historical fact. We had 4 years of the Trump presidency and there was nothing approaching authoritarian.

Not until the Biden Junta did the Garland Police State emerge with the arrests and prosecution of political opponents.

 

[OlNate]

They don't care about the morality of their candidate. Only the other candidate gets scrutinized.

Out of simple curiosity, with a solid promise to not respond with judgement or ridicule, only requests for clarification if necessary, after scrutinizing your candidate, how do you score him in morality and decency, how would you describe morality and decency, and how important do you think morality and decency are, in terms of traits a leader should have?

 

[MamboDervish]

They have to defend it. Party above all is the democrat credo.

That's total bullshit. Quite the contrary, "Party above all" is obviously the Republican credo. I won't even bother citing the dozens of spot on criticisms of Trump that his own elected party members voiced, who then ignored their own claims that he was unfit for office, saying they would vote for him anyway.

 

[eman623]

Out of simple curiosity, with a solid promise to not respond with judgement or ridicule, only requests for clarification if necessary, after scrutinizing your candidate, how do you score him in morality and decency, how would you describe morality and decency, and how important do you think morality and decency are, in terms of traits a leader should have?

There's no objective standard for morality or decency. They are inherently relative and everyone has their own standard. Some may think wearing a revealing bikini at the beach is indecent while other go to full nude beaches and see nothing wrong with that.

OTOH, many cases they overlap - most people think murder is immoral.

As for morality in a leader, his or her sense of morality should guide their actions, but face facts - being a leader sometimes means to commit cold blooded murder if the target is OBL or that Sinwar guy. If you think that's too immoral then maybe you shouldn't be a leader. In fact leaders rank high on the psychopathy index along with surgeons and CEOs. They have to be the sort of person who can calmly cut people open, fire them from their jobs, or blow them to bits if necessary.

I seriously don't much care about a leader's sense of decency. Trump cheats on his wife? So what? So did JFK and Bill Clinton. There are FBI surveillance wiretaps of MLK saying shit far worse than Trump's "grab em by the *****" comment.

John Quincy Adams used to go swim buck ass naked in the Potomac. Was it indecent? Don't answer until you see his picture.

Some things can't be unseen!

 

[Pyrite]

You can read the full article here. Here are some snippets on key points:

This is a terrific, but sad great read. Quite frankly, I cannot disagree with a single word he wrote. Do you guys think human decency is dead?

Decency is no longer important to those who voted for trump.

 

[OlNate]

There's no objective standard for morality or decency. They are inherently relative and everyone has their own standard. Some may think wearing a revealing bikini at the beach is indecent while other go to full nude beaches and see nothing wrong with that.

OTOH, many cases they overlap - most people think murder is immoral.

As for morality in a leader, his or her sense of morality should guide their actions, but face facts - being a leader sometimes means to commit cold blooded murder if the target is OBL or that Sinwar guy. If you think that's too immoral then maybe you shouldn't be a leader. In fact leaders rank high on the psychopathy index along with surgeons and CEOs. They have to be the sort of person who can calmly cut people open, fire them from their jobs, or blow them to bits if necessary.

I seriously don't much care about a leader's sense of decency. Trump cheats on his wife? So what? So did JFK and Bill Clinton. There are FBI surveillance wiretaps of MLK saying shit far worse than Trump's "grab em by the *****" comment.

John Quincy Adams used to go swim buck ass naked in the Potomac. Was it indecent? Don't answer until you see his picture.

Some things can't be unseen!

Thanks, this helps with something else I'm working through.

One last question, if you don't mind. Is it important to you that the person you vote for reflects your values, and if so, how would you feel if the values of the person you voted for ceased to reflect your values after you gave them your vote?

 

[eman623]

Thanks, this helps with something else I'm working through.

One last question, if you don't mind. Is it important to you that the person you vote for reflects your values, and if so, how would you feel if the values of the person you voted for ceased to reflect your values after you gave them your vote?

I would never expect there to be perfect alignment of values. As I already said, everyone has their own standard of what is and is not moral.

So do I need close alignment of values? With a person who I also said needs to be a bit of a psychopath? Not saying I want a Mussolini if he can make the trains run on time. But I don't want a neurotic self-doubting Woody Allen either. A leader needs to be strong and confident.

Lastly why do I need alignment at all? Would that make for the best leader? I doubt it. I would be a terrible leader. I am by nature a simple and easygoing man who avoids the spotlight and tries to avoid conflict in my life. Maybe the fact that I don't want the job makes me the perfect candidate. What is the saying? "No one who aspires to power should ever be allowed to have it."

 

[MamboDervish]

There's no objective standard for morality or decency. They are inherently relative and everyone has their own standard. Some may think wearing a revealing bikini at the beach is indecent while other go to full nude beaches and see nothing wrong with that.

OTOH, many cases they overlap - most people think murder is immoral.

As for morality in a leader, his or her sense of morality should guide their actions, but face facts - being a leader sometimes means to commit cold blooded murder if the target is OBL or that Sinwar guy. If you think that's too immoral then maybe you shouldn't be a leader. In fact leaders rank high on the psychopathy index along with surgeons and CEOs. They have to be the sort of person who can calmly cut people open, fire them from their jobs, or blow them to bits if necessary.

I seriously don't much care about a leader's sense of decency. Trump cheats on his wife? So what? So did JFK and Bill Clinton. There are FBI surveillance wiretaps of MLK saying shit far worse than Trump's "grab em by the *****" comment.

John Quincy Adams used to go swim buck ass naked in the Potomac. Was it indecent? Don't answer until you see his picture.

It's interesting that you would make a point of somehow equating being dressed with morality and decency while, unto itself, it would seem to have nothing to do with either. I've never thought of nudity as being either immoral or indecent. Of course, your average Sunni or Shia would certainly feel otherwise.

 

[Michael Cole]

Since you love the Biden Crime Family, you are in no position to criticize Trump.

Biden crime family. So dumb. A registration charge and tax cheating. Not exactly the crimes of the century. Trump? The crime of the last two centuries.

It's because of retribution that Hunter got pardoned. If Harris had won, Hunter would not have been pardoned. If Biden had any balls, he'd pardon every single person on Patel's list.

MAGA aren't very bright. Telegraphing your evil intentions never works out well.

 

[Rogue Valley]

You know those MSNBC talking points only work in the minds of the left wingers right?

I wouldn't know. I'm an Independent, and I don't peruse any cable talkingheads.

 

[Perotista]

You can read the full article here. Here are some snippets on key points:

This is a terrific, but sad great read. Quite frankly, I cannot disagree with a single word he wrote. Do you guys think human decency is dead?

I’d say for a long time there’s been no decency in politics. All one needs to look at is all the negative personal political attack ads that saturate the air waves over the last 30 years. As for Trump, is it a lack of decency when one determines the present administration has done a lousy job of governing, hadn’t addressed the issues one deems important. 56% of all Americans disapproved of the job the Biden administration had done over the last 4 years. Probably most of those voted for Trump or against Harris, representing the Biden administration. Most wanted a change in administration in hopes that the new administration could do a better job, if that means Trump, so be it.

Given the Biden administration very low overall job approval of 41%, their very high disapproval of somewhere between 55-65% on their handling of most issues. It’s a wonder this election was as close as it was. Only a 1.6-point win in the popular vote, the third closest election since 1900 with only 1960 and 2000 being closer. A loss of 2 seats in the house, the only other election besides the presidential that was nationwide. This election in my opinion was a rejection of the Biden administration, the democratic party and Harris as Biden’s replacement. It wasn’t an endorsement of Trump or the republicans. Given the Biden’s administration’s very low approval numbers across the board, history show this election should have been a landslide for the GOP. It wasn’t due to the GOP running Trump. Almost any other republican than Trump probably would have led the GOP to a massive victory. But with Trump, that wasn’t to be.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

President Biden Job Approval on Issues | RealClearPolling

President Biden Job Approval on Issues | RealClearPolling

www.realclearpolling.com

I repeat, when it comes to politics, there is no human decency.

 

[NOLA Dude]

I wouldn't know. I'm an Independent, and I don't peruse any cable talkingheads.

Yeah right

 

[PoS]

Comparing Biden to Trump is like comparing the common cold to tuberculosis.

You dont get to choose which assholes you defend. Either defend them all or none of them. You cherry picked and proved your double standards, so youre cred is less than zero.

 

[quip]

The good professor is a drama queen.

So, do you put up a socially acceptable "nice guy" facade or are you sincerely a hateful human being?

 

[NatMorton]

So, do you put up a socially acceptable "nice guy" facade or are you sincerely a hateful human being?

So, do you cheat on your taxes or enjoy harming baby animals?

 

[quip]

So, do you cheat on your taxes or enjoy harming baby animals?

Certainly not, regarding either. It's called principles. I'm curious if you hold any regarding your fellow man, as you dismissed his critique on the subject as a "drama queen" portrayal.

 

[NatMorton]

Certainly not, regarding either. It's called principles. I'm curious if you hold any regarding your fellow man, as you dismissed his critique on the subject as a "drama queen" portrayal.

That’s because he is a drama queen. Call ‘em as I see ‘em.

 

[The Hairy Fiddler]

That’s because he is a drama queen. Call ‘em as I see ‘em.

Yeah, how dare this guy speak the truth. Just maybe he calls them the way he sees them, eh? He's not wrong. America just elected a hate filled; 34 times criminal to be the president. Not to mention a guy who continues to appoint radical right winged MAGA's to his cabinet to best implement his Project 2025 and turn this once great democratic democracy into a fascist dictatorship. Just wonderful.

 

[Lovebug]

The problem with your thesis is the ridiculous idea that democrats HAVE any desire to improve people's lives.

democrats want power, absolute power, and care about nothing else. The absurd rant of the professor in the OP is just a temper tantrum over the loss of power by the party.

That's pretty thick