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Except of course for the fact that the bureaucrat wasn't driven by profit, so this entire argument falls to pieces. This is about as absurd as saying that a feudal lord was a businessman because he appropriated the surplus labour of his serfs.
So I'm feeling the whole "Nazis are leftwing" is some sortof new development in the political thought of the right in the last decade or so during resurgence? Because I really never encountered the idea in my life until recently, frankly, during Obama. I don't really know.
The Nazi's being labeled as purely right wing, has been an act of historical revisionism for a long time.
Lately, people have been putting in the effort to correct those errors.
Some take it to the point, of using it as a method to smear liberals, just as the Nazi's have been used to smear Conservatives.
this whole effort to "correct those errors" is simply modern right wing revisionism which has the specific goal of attempting to wipe the dog waste off the bottom of their shoe. People look at some extreme elements of right wing American conservatism and some indeed see fascism over the next hill if we keep going in that direction. And that upsets the American right and they want to take away that weapon from their critics.
That is all this is about.
I strongly encourage everyone reading this thread to imediately go to post #301 in this thread....
http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...-nazism-form-socialism-31.html#post1059992229
And do EXACTLY what it says...
The Nazi's were/are Nazi's and do not represent any major political party in the United States of America.
They are there very own insecure, self pre occupied and sociopathic sect. Nazism is combination of cruelty and blind obedience to authority.
Not at all.
But case in point here, you're strictly attached to a 1 dimensional left/right spectrum, when it has been plainly pointed out that people/parties/nations can hold views from different ideologies.
Not at all.
But case in point here, you're strictly attached to a 1 dimensional left/right spectrum, when it has been plainly pointed out that people/parties/nations can hold views from different ideologies...
Its funny that you're going off on a "the right keeps trying to say nazi's were liberals" rant while ignoring the liberals in this very thread trying to do the exact same thing but with the opposite side.
designed by libertarians, for libertarians, to justify the opinions of libertarians = Nolan Chart. Excuse me for not prostrating myself before that altar.
designed by libertarians, for libertarians, to justify the opinions of libertarians = Nolan Chart. Excuse me for not prostrating myself before that altar.
Naziism's roots in fascism and the right are universally acknowledged, excepting since McCarthy's time, by the ideologues of the American right.
Then why was Mussolini a member of the Italian Socialist Party, before he created the Fascist party?
Who created the chart is irrelevant. What would you use? Simply saying a policy is "left" or "right" tells us next to nothing about the actual policy. Mussolini himself made it a point to reject the Left and the Right, borrowing many elements from both "sides." The left-right paradigm has been outdated since the end of the French Revolution.
Maybe it's worth pointing out that there are quite a few differences between Italian fascism and German Nazism. They go so far that some historians think Nazism should be a different category on its own, instead of being subsummized under the label "fascism".
So I assume Italian fascism had adopted more elements from the left than German Nazism.
German Nazism did accept quite a few economic policies that were similar to the Progressives at the time.
Like, the Volkswagen project, Reforming dividends, and other strict controls over the market economy, something not exactly Conservative.
People are just cherry picking, what is and is not Conservative and Liberal.
Maybe these economic policies are not "right" by American standards today, but I believe they have much in common with the conservative-monarchist right-wing economic polices of the Kaiserreich. The monarchy in Germany was protectionist, regulated much. It was even Bismarck who introduced the first public pension system, unemployment support system and healthcare system in Germany -- and you won't find many people who claim Bismarck or the Kaiser were "leftists". :lol:
I guess one big problem in this debate is that many have the historically very inaccurate idea in mind that "right" means "small government", while "left" means "big government". Economic policy certainly is one factor, but historically, it is definitely not the most important one. The German right, especially the monarchist far-right, was pretty much "big government".
Who created the chart is irrelevant. What would you use? Simply saying a policy is "left" or "right" tells us next to nothing about the actual policy. Mussolini himself made it a point to reject the Left and the Right, borrowing many elements from both "sides." The left-right paradigm has been outdated since the end of the French Revolution.
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