Were the Leftists on DP, those who claimed Biden was mentally capable of being president, duped or were they fundamentally dishonest?

[Perotista]

The big problem with Harris is that she comes across as scripted and robotic. The public tends to gravitate toward candidates that feel like real people and have the tendency to go off script. Before Harris did interviews, she was leading Trump in 4 of the 7 swing states. After she did interviews, she started to lose momentum.

Hmm. What’s interesting about that is Trump was leading Biden 43-39 with 12% intending on voting third party in the multi-candidate polling on the day Biden withdrew.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein

By 6 August Harris had erased Trump’s lead and taken a slight lead of her own, 47-46 with only 4% then intending on voting third party. Harris gained most of those intended third party voters over that 2-week span. The euphoria of having one of the two disliked and unwanted candidates withdraw. 26% of all Americans disliked and didn’t want neither Biden nor Trump as their next president. A lot of that 26% were intending on voting against both Biden and Trump as the 12% intended third party voters showed on 21 July sided with Harris originally.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...4/trump-vs-harris-vs-kennedy-vs-stein-vs-west

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ve-unfavorable-views-of-both-biden-and-trump/

But that euphoria died out. Perhaps as the public began to know Harris better, they tended to sour on her. Yes, it could be as you stated, her scripted and robotic like performance. She wasn’t the statue Gore and Kerry were. But close. The third-party vote ended at 1.9% which was identical to the 2020 election. Harris did win the independents vote 49-46 over Trump, that was a far cry from Biden winning independents 53-41 over Trump. But the biggest difference was in Democratic voter turnout as I stated previously. Gore had the same problem as Harris in democrats turning out in 2000. The democrats had a 6-point advantage in party affiliation, but only a 3-point advantage in those who actually turned out to vote. Somehow it seems the republicans have always been able to get their base out, the democrats, not so much. 2000, 2016 and this year are election if the democrats got their base to turnout to match their party affiliation advantage, Gore, Clinton and Harris would have won.

 

[nota bene]

Yeah, you're right. For example, this board certainly doesn't paint everyone who doesn't religiously support the democrats as uneducated MAGA nazi fascists who support an uneducated serial liar grifter rapist seditionist insurrectionist domestic terrorist nazi Hitler fascist senile convicted felon criminal misogynist racist. What the hell was I thinking when I wrote that. You're beloved forum is a cesspool of lies and trolling, and the fact that you are condoning, even encouraging, this is exactly why this forum can only be seen as entertainment, not a serious place to discuss politics.

Free speech is just a bitch, isn't it?

 

[straykatz]

People are quick to throw stones when it's the opposing party. One only needs to look back in history at Regan's decline to see the resemblance of how it was denied/handled.

 

[Paradoxical]

Biden

It is interesting to see the level of logic fallacies and assertions made by our MAGA friends on here.

Pretty much nobody here is arguing that Biden was a great President. Most people seem to think he was "okay", "decent", and "good".

There seems to be a lot of sentiment that he should have announced he was only running for one-term and then allowed an open primary to happen. You know, take the James K. Polk route.

If you notice very carefully, MAGA voters have never really explained what was so good about the Trump presidency or even explain to us why the rise of cost of living should be put on the doorstep of Joe Biden.

When Democrats controlled the Presidency, Senate and House between 2021 and 2022, we saw a lot of legislation getting passes and reforms happening. When the GOP won the House, virtually nothing got done.

Biden is an evil man.

 

[Absentglare]

Free speech is just a bitch, isn't it?

Sure, folks can lie, they can pretend to care about Hillary using a private email server and then excuse Trump for doing the same thing. Folks can go along with Trump saying Obama isn’t a real American because of his race and lie that it’s about a fake claim of him being born in Africa, and then be perfectly content with Trump putting Elon Musk who actually was born in Africa in charge.

People can lie and be completely full of shit. They can hate our country, try to take away our right to vote, it’s all covered by free speech.

 

[trixare4kids]

I echo your commentary for the most part. I would label him "decent". You have to give him some slack because he inherited a divided government, an obstructionist MAGA party, and a major economic and health crisis. Biden landed the plane, but awfully bumpy.

Despite his unpopularity, there was no serious contender for Biden in the primaries. We didn't see any Democratic Governor or U.S Senator throw their hat into the ring. 87% of Democrats voted for Biden in the primaries and he won 56 out of the 57 primary contests. There's a small, but slim chance, Biden endorsing Harris for President in July of 2023 instead of July 2024, would have changed the outcome. But as we have historically seen, presidential elections are a referendum on the performance of the White House Party.

Biden was a prop, a puppet not in charge of his own presidency. "They", whoever they are, unelected bureaucrats for the most part, inherited the new Republican party, heavily influenced by DJT. They were not equipped in any way to deal with the new Republican party than to call them and their supporters vile names. Let's keep it real. The people saw both Biden and then Harris as unprepared to deal with the economy and the border and other issues important to the voters. The truth is DJT had a much better message whereas all they had was their lies that they were in it to save democracy and eliminate those they compared to Nazis.

 

[EU MAGA]

It is unbelievable that every time someone pointed out Biden's dementia, so many lefties came and said he was just fine. It is unbelievable how many people denied what he has become.

His dementia was in plain sight in 2019, and he had the luck of COVID so they could hide him from the public. His party and handlers knew the media wasn't going to say anything. Their mission wasn't to get to the truth of anything, it was to defeat Trump, and continue the by any means possible mission.
. They hid Biden.
. They colluded with the FBI to bury the Hunter Biden Laptop story and all the Biden corruptions is held.
. The people here were either duped, or were eager advocates for trying to sell a lie the most brazen and ridiculous lie of the past century.

 

[Phys251]

Back to when it was reasonable to assume that the next generation would have it easier than the last.

Back in the 20th century, where the rich were taxed their fare share, we didn't have Fox "News," scientists were respected, and anti-science idiots were treated as idiots? Okay, that seems pretty ideal.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Hmm. What’s interesting about that is Trump was leading Biden 43-39 with 12% intending on voting third party in the multi-candidate polling on the day Biden withdrew.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein

By 6 August Harris had erased Trump’s lead and taken a slight lead of her own, 47-46 with only 4% then intending on voting third party. Harris gained most of those intended third party voters over that 2-week span. The euphoria of having one of the two disliked and unwanted candidates withdraw. 26% of all Americans disliked and didn’t want neither Biden nor Trump as their next president. A lot of that 26% were intending on voting against both Biden and Trump as the 12% intended third party voters showed on 21 July sided with Harris originally.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...4/trump-vs-harris-vs-kennedy-vs-stein-vs-west

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ve-unfavorable-views-of-both-biden-and-trump/

But that euphoria died out. Perhaps as the public began to know Harris better, they tended to sour on her. Yes, it could be as you stated, her scripted and robotic like performance. She wasn’t the statue Gore and Kerry were. But close. The third-party vote ended at 1.9% which was identical to the 2020 election. Harris did win the independents vote 49-46 over Trump, that was a far cry from Biden winning independents 53-41 over Trump. But the biggest difference was in Democratic voter turnout as I stated previously. Gore had the same problem as Harris in democrats turning out in 2000. The democrats had a 6-point advantage in party affiliation, but only a 3-point advantage in those who actually turned out to vote. Somehow it seems the republicans have always been able to get their base out, the democrats, not so much. 2000, 2016 and this year are election if the democrats got their base to turnout to match their party affiliation advantage, Gore, Clinton and Harris would have won.

Yep, the very expensive attempt to present a ‘reimagined’ Kamala Harris failed to fool enough of the electorate.

 

[EU MAGA]

I’m far from upset.
It’s not my party.
Your childish, baiting, ignorant ****ing posts are pathetic and quite embarrassing for you.
Seems that you are more affected by the election than most of the other decent folks here.

Tsk, tsk. You're angry.
. I think these questions are illuminating. They are also defining/
. Were you duped, or were you simply eager to tell any stupid and obvious lie on behalf of the party?
. See the post below. That's you defending Biden. Who is delusional? Jay59 or you? I say you.
. So, were you duped or simply a someone who denies the ridiculously obvious, even to the point of embarrassment, in an attempt to sell the party BS?
(The search function is wonderful. It produces a treasure trove of laughs.)

The president has no clothes.

If you do not believe your own eyes then no proof is sufficient.


You will always run into the basic problem that Trump is a proven competent administrator at this level.

Other than maybe Newsom, no Democrat can make the same claim, certainly not Biden


FDR was very competent for three administrations though probably not for the portion of his fourth that he was alive. That has nothing to do with his legs.


Biden is not physically disabled other than tiring very quickly. The problem is cognitive.

You say continue to perform what he is not performing now. he is a figurehead and not a convincing one.

SMTA RESPONDS:
Congratulations!
This post is even more stupid than that last one.
People who worship Trump are hilariously delusional.

What Happens if Biden Cannot Run in 2024?

That Biden is a puppet and the White House is being run by a committee is indeed old news. There is enough propaganda value in the appearance of continuity that it would be a serious setback Already covered. Do your due diligence. This stupid thread is a waste of bandwidth.

debatepolitics.com

 

[Slartibartfast]

Globalism is a policy. It did not deliever the promised results. Why would we thus not change it?

It has nothing to do with globalism. It has to do with the fact that other countries have a strong technological base than was possible in the 80s.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

I bet you can get a lot of push-back with your last statement.
But on this site you would probably get a lot of 'attaboys' for it.
Go write that on Truth Social and get a different response.

I do not hang out on Trump's terrorist network.

Typically, I do get some pushback but most of it is MAGA denial.

I get uncomfortable when a Liberal agrees with me.

 

[Paradoxical]

Back in the 20th century, where the rich were taxed their fare share, we didn't have Fox "News," scientists were respected, and anti-science idiots were treated as idiots? Okay, that seems pretty ideal.

Science lost respect when they lied to promote agendas of liberals

 

[SMTA]

Tsk, tsk. You're angry.
. I think these questions are illuminating. They are also defining/
. Were you duped, or were you simply eager to tell any stupid and obvious lie on behalf of the party?
. See the post below. That's you defending Biden. Who is delusional? Jay59 or you? I say you.
. So, were you duped or simply a someone who denies the ridiculously obvious, even to the point of embarrassment, in an attempt to sell the party BS?
(The search function is wonderful. It produces a treasure trove of laughs.)


SMTA RESPONDS:
Congratulations!
This post is even more stupid than that last one.
People who worship Trump are hilariously delusional.

What Happens if Biden Cannot Run in 2024?

That Biden is a puppet and the White House is being run by a committee is indeed old news. There is enough propaganda value in the appearance of continuity that it would be a serious setback Already covered. Do your due diligence. This stupid thread is a waste of bandwidth.

debatepolitics.com

Another stupid ****ing post by you.
Knowing Trump is a ****ing moron is not supporting Biden.
I never had a very high opinion of Biden.
Show me where I ever showed love for Biden.
My original assessment of your stupid and childish posts has again been supported by yet another of your blathering soliloquies.
Looks like you are duped by the reality of the election more than anyone else here.
Time for you to slither away.

 

[SMTA]

Back in the 20th century, where the rich were taxed their fare share, we didn't have Fox "News," scientists were respected, and anti-science idiots were treated as idiots? Okay, that seems pretty ideal.

After Trump ****s up the next 4 years, we will return.

 

[jaypatriot]

After Trump ****s up the next 4 years, we will return.

Hitler had the same idea after he lost at Stalingrad and Normandy.
You don't know what's going to happen. But wishful thinking is cheap and doesn't cost you anything.

 

[SMTA]

Hitler had the same idea after he lost at Stalingrad and Normandy.
You don't know what's going to happen. But wishful thinking is cheap and doesn't cost you anything.

Trump is the closest thing to Hitler today.

 

[OrphanSlug]

That makes no sense. Please explain.

No no, get better at this. Ask a question and I’ll consider answering. I’m not throwing some wide net for you.

 

[SMTA]

Free speech is just a bitch, isn't it?

So is the freedom to not use periods when desperately required.

 

[EU MAGA]

Another stupid ****ing post by you.
Knowing Trump is a ****ing moron is not supporting Biden.
I never had a very high opinion of Biden.
Show me where I ever showed love for Biden.
My original assessment of your stupid and childish posts has again been supported by yet another of your blathering soliloquies.
Looks like you are duped by the reality of the election more than anyone else here.
Time for you to slither away.

The anger doesn't seem to be subsiding.
. This isn't about Trump. If you would like to start a thread on Trump, you have all of DP at your disposal. Give it your best shot.
. The question is, were you duped, or did you lie for years in a das and laughable defense of brain dead Biden?

You've said it yourself.

Fake news works because some people are just gullible and very stupid.

Are you duped by fake news, "just gullible"," very stupid", or one of the laughable, lying plague of Ds that tried to sell the turd that Biden was mentally capable?

Why Fake News Spreads: A Neurological Explanation

This sort of fits with a lot of the Tribalism focus we've seen. Recent research into the roots of persuasion in the brain yields some important clues about how people are convinced to propagate news that is not true or poorly sourced. Bottom line: fake news appeals directly to the portions...

debatepolitics.com

 

[mrjurrs]

Those still supporting the president exhibiting observable mental decline can say or write anything they want about Trump whose decisive victor simply points to the will of people exercising their democratic right to choose a new leader.

Decisive?

I guess you don't know what that means.

Did he win the majority of voters? Nope.

Was it a substantial win over his opponent? Nope. He won by the 4th smallest margin since 1960. Way smaller than President Biden's in 2020. hear those D's screaming about a stolen election? You don't? Why not?

But the EC win was decisive right? Nope, of the 60 presidential EC victory margins, 43 were larger than the orange child's victory.

Wait a minute, I know what you are basing it on...you saw a map.


Mandate my ass.

 

[SMTA]

The anger doesn't seem to be subsiding.
. This isn't about Trump. If you would like to start a thread on Trump, you have all of DP at your disposal. Give it your best shot.
. The question is, were you duped, or did you lie for years in a das and laughable defense of brain dead Biden?

You've said it yourself.

Are you duped by fake news, "just gullible"," very stupid", or one of the laughable, lying plague of Ds that tried to sell the turd that Biden was mentally capable?

Why Fake News Spreads: A Neurological Explanation

This sort of fits with a lot of the Tribalism focus we've seen. Recent research into the roots of persuasion in the brain yields some important clues about how people are convinced to propagate news that is not true or poorly sourced. Bottom line: fake news appeals directly to the portions...

debatepolitics.com

I’m done with your childish and stupid posts.

 

[Sabre]

Actual quotes,

 

[devildavid]

The article is not an editorial opinion, so, your concession is noted.

It is an opinion piece, and it reveals nothing factual about Biden’s mental state.

 

[devildavid]

Someone just today posted to me that he would have voted for Karen Ann Quinlan before he voted for Trump, so you may have a point. Or more.

The point is how terrible Trump is. He really is that bad.