Were the Leftists on DP, those who claimed Biden was mentally capable of being president, duped or were they fundamentally dishonest?

[Luce]

IS "burning refinaries" better then "murdering civilians" ? ANyway you may quite well understand that there is a "cause and effect relationship" betwen events.
And you may pretty well assume that the refinaries, which are hit by your American ATASMS, are also not without civilians who serve in these refinaries .

Yes.

But those are Russian civilians and nobody cares what happens to them. Including Russia. Russia doesn't care either.

 

[EU MAGA]

Stupid post, stupid poll.

Were you duped, or did you knowingly lie?

 

[EU MAGA]

It's ok, we know all about MAGAs.

This is about the Left, and figuring out whether you've been duped or are knowing liars for four years.

 

[EU MAGA]

Yes.

But those are Russian civilians and nobody cares what happens to them. Including Russia. Russia doesn't care either.

Were you duped or did you knowingly lie on behalf of the party?

 

[EU MAGA]

Gaslighting. 40 Republicans voted against it as well.

The Democrats were ready to vote for a Mike Johnson-backed bill until Trump tanked it. Trump needs to back a better bill.

Did you vote for being duped, or being a liar?

 

[EU MAGA]

VP elect Vance is a fascist which is why Trump chose him.

Of course he is. We believe you. Your political analysis is deep, unerring and unsurpassed.
. But to get back on target, were you duped, or were you lying about Biden being mentally capable?

 

[EU MAGA]

This is nonsensical bullshit.

Stop with the trolling threads.

Were you duped, or did you knowingly lie?
. We know the media knowingly lied. How about you? Or were you duped by them?
. "The best Biden ever"? You bought this? Duped? Or you lie in the most embarrassing manner possible, like Scarborough?

 

[EU MAGA]

This poll is a waste of pixels.

Why so sour? You don't like being made a fool of? Or is it being exposed as a fool willing to say anything that bothers you?
. You people earned it, one way or the other. Too thick to realize the truth, or too corrupt to state the brutally obvious.

 

[EU MAGA]

Those in the Oval Office report he can do his job well, which is superior to Trump at his best. Biden is still a classy diplomat who knows how ro govern. Trump never HAS known. Biden is still ranked 28 places higher than Trump ion history.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
. This is a prime example of a true soldier of the Leftist cause. Willing to spew The Greatest Absurdities known to man. But the question is, duped or knowingly lying?
. "can do his job well, which is superior to Trump at his best" That's Joe Scarborough level embarrassing.
. "Biden is still a classy diplomat who knows how ro govern." He's been brain dead for more than four years. He hasn't governed shit. He's a puppet suffering from dementia. He's also been a classless SoB who excelled at hyperbole, lies and plagiarism.
. "Biden is still ranked 28 places higher than Trump ion history." By the media that told you Biden was mentally for for the past four years? Yeah, they really have a lot of credibility.

My guess is this one can be filed into the "Duped" category. You need a certain level of mental horsepower not to post such a stack of drivel.

 

[BrotherFease]

Logic fallacy of load question.

As a moderate Republican, I thought Biden was a decent President. He did well with what little he had. When he came into office, there was a pandemic and a recession. Three years later, we moved into an endemic and an economic expansion. Manufacturing were coming back to our shores. GDP was higher than it was under the Trump Administration. We actually passed infrastructure reform, lowered prescription drugs, and got out of Afghanistan.

It didn't bother me that Biden got slower and lost some memory issues. He still was able to get a lot of legislation passed and brokered the largest prisoner exchange since the Cold War and the recent Israel-Hezbollah ceasefire deal.

The country is going to sorely miss him after January 21st. Trump 45 was a relatively bad president -- filled with bad policies, incompetency, lies, and left the country with a recession and a public health crisis. By all means, good luck Trump 47 Musk 47. I hope Trump Musk prove me wrong.

 

[jaypatriot]

Seriously?


And yet the 81 million who voted for President Biden can't use the same statement?

Those still supporting the president exhibiting observable mental decline can say or write anything they want about Trump whose decisive victor simply points to the will of people exercising their democratic right to choose a new leader.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Those still supporting the president exhibiting observable mental decline can say or write anything they want about Trump whose decisive victor simply points to the will of people exercising their democratic right to choose a new leader.

No.

The will of the MAGA loons is NOT The will of the PEOPLE.

Most of the MAGA loons do not deserve to call themselves Americans.

 

[jaypatriot]

Those in the Oval Office report he can do his job well, which is superior to Trump at his best. Biden is still a classy diplomat who knows how ro govern. Trump never HAS known. Biden is still ranked 28 places higher than Trump ion history.

Sure he can do his job if no one is allowed to ask him questions.
Perhaps you haven't read or heard about how the advisors and staff made sure no one let the world know just how mentally incompetent old Joe was starting three years ago.
It was the biggest political scandal in our lifetime.
You will eventually realize denial is not just a river in Egypt.

How the White House Functioned With a Diminished Biden in Charge​

Aides kept meetings short and controlled access, top advisers acted as go-betweens and public interactions became more scripted. The administration denied Biden has declined.​

By Annie Linskey Rebecca Ballhaus
Emily Glazer and Siobhan Hughes

Dec. 19, 2024 5:00 am ET

To adapt the White House around the needs of a diminished leader, they told visitors to keep meetings focused. Interactions with senior Democratic lawmakers and some cabinet members—including powerful secretaries such as Defense’s Lloyd Austin and Treasury’s Janet Yellen—were infrequent or grew less frequent. Some legislative leaders had a hard time getting the president’s ear at key moments, including ahead of the U.S.’s disastrous pullout from Afghanistan.
Throughout his presidency, a small group of aides stuck close to Biden to assist him, especially when traveling or speaking to the public. “They body him to such a high degree,” a person who witnessed it said, adding that the “hand holding” is unlike anything other recent presidents have had.

The White House operated this way even as the president and his aides pressed forward with his re-election bid—which unraveled spectacularly after his halting performance in a June debate with Donald Trump made his mental acuity an insurmountable issue. Vice President Kamala Harris replaced him on the Democratic ticket and was decisively defeated by Trump in a shortened campaign—leaving Democrats to debate whether their chances were undercut by Biden’s refusal to yield earlier.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/biden-white-house-age-function-diminished-3906a839?mod=politics_more_article_pos1

 

[jaypatriot]

We were talking about Donald Trump violating the Hatch act. You are saying that matters now?


Yes we should stop the bullshit, and go look for cat eating Haitians in Springfield OH some more.

Haitians have always eaten cats and dogs.
Why not in Springfield?
Cats are getting tired of the abuse in Springfield and they're not going to take it any more.

 

[post]

Of course he is. We believe you. Your political analysis is deep, unerring and unsurpassed.
. But to get back on target, were you duped, or were you lying about Biden being mentally capable?

Republican politicians in DC could not discern Biden’s alleged diminished capacity just 9-1/2 months ago. Why would you , of all people, believe and embrace MSM reporting replete with quotes from anonymous sources claiming Biden has been unable to carry out his duties dating back three or more yesrs?

Republicans complain Joe Biden had too much energy at SOTU

Some Republicans have criticized President Joe Biden for having too much energy at last night's State of the Union address.

www.newsweek.com

March 8, 2024

It is a blessing Limbaugh is unable to see you turning on him after yesrs ensconced in the bubble he built to isolate you and your ilk!

 

[ElChupacabra]

I see I need to refresh your memory with 'the list'. OK.

No need really, because it would be debating issues already debated over numerous times. I'm sure if someone wants to bother pulling up a reciprocal list of GOP claims that fall in the same category, I'm sure that would not be difficult to do.

Here's a small list of the Dem's MSM propaganda push narratives, i.e. either part in the 'Wrap Up Smear'.

• 'The Steel dossier is real'?
• 'Hunter's laptop was Russia disinformation'?
• 'Inject bleach'?
• 'Joe's just fine'?
• 'Joe's on top of his game'?
• 'Russian Collusion'?
• 'Trump's a Russian asset'?
• The assassination attempt was staged.
• Trump was not actually injured by a bullet or at all.
• the “Muslim ban” that wasn’t?
• the mantra that the 2017 tax cuts were only for the “rich”
• the Ukraine impeachment of Trump, a creative fiction based on a complaint from an anonymous member of the swamp who never testified
• The Capitol Hill riot on Jan. 6 was an “armed insurrection”
• President Trump referred to Nazis and White supremacists as “very fine people.”
• President Trump “incited” the riot
• President Trump wanted to End NATO
• The border is secure
• Don't say gay laws
• Jim Crow 2.0
• Inflation is transitory
• Trump is a fascist
• Violent crime is falling

Wake up and smell the coffee. The Dem's MSM propagandists require that you do, and you should.


Let me know when you believe that the Dem's MSM propagandists push one on behalf of Republicans. Then we'll talk about this again.

Good grief, grievance squad is full of grief.


I suspect few will argue the media as a whole is full of hyperbole, but your call outs are alway missing the full media, since I see no stories about all of the exaggerations about Biden/Democrats wanting to take everyone's guns away, or taking their gas stoves or whatever.

 

[post]

Of course he is. We believe you. Your political analysis is deep, unerring and unsurpassed.
. But to get back on target, were you duped, or were you lying about Biden being mentally capable?

Your posts are steeped in denial.

 

[trixare4kids]

There seems to be near unanimous agreement on the answer to this question

It's a breath of fresh air to see a vote like the above in this forum.

 

[trixare4kids]

So what?

Asked by a poster who wrote he would have voted for Karen Ann Quinlan before he'd vote for Trump.

 

[eohrnberger]

No need really, because it would be debating issues already debated over numerous times. I'm sure if someone wants to bother pulling up a reciprocal list of GOP claims that fall in the same category, I'm sure that would not be difficult to do.

Given how the 'Warp Up Smear' works, only with an obedient, compliant and complicit MSM; that which the Republicans don't have, but the Democrats most certainly do.

Good grief, grievance squad is full of grief.

Each an execution of the 'Wrap Up Smear' in action, to the detriment of Republicans and to the advantage of the Democrats, which is always the case in yellow journalism / political propaganda.

I suspect few will argue the media as a whole is full of hyperbole, but your call outs are alway missing the full media,

My call outs are specific to the most viewed, most influential (at least currently), most frequent propagandists, which would be the MSM hands down. All others, in your expanded definition of media, the two bit players in comparison to the MSM, aren't really legitimately in the same league as far as most viewed, most influential. We've discussed this before.

since I see no stories about all of the exaggerations about Biden/Democrats wanting to take everyone's guns away,

Meh, I have two comments on this.
First, as long as the courts upholds 2nd A, there isn't going to be any confiscations. That said, the so called 'common sense regulation' could make it impossible to purchase firearms at all, as Democrats have this rather nasty habit of backdooring 'workarounds' to court rulings, existing laws, and the US Constitution. All you have to take a look at is how Biden and his Administrative State ignored SCOTUS rulings on student loan forgiveness.

or taking their gas stoves or whatever.

This is exactly what some states and cities are planning / proposing to do. There was at least one, if not more, Democrat controlled state legislatures which did pass legislation which limited access to gas stoves and furnaces.

Growing List of Proposals and Mandates​

​

“We view this as a key moment for governors in particular,” said Justin Backal Balik, the state program director for Evergreen Action, an environmental policy advocacy group that grew out of Washington Gov. Jay Inslee’s presidential campaign. “There’s an imperative for state governors in particular to go further and faster on this issue than they ever have before.”​

​

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, renewed her push to ban natural gas hookups for new construction during her state of the state address on Tuesday. It’s the second year Hochul put that goal on her legislative agenda. She also called for banning the sale of furnaces and heating equipment that use fossil fuels.​

States at Center of Battle Over Gas Furnaces and Stoves

Moved by environmental and health concerns, action by state officials to ban natural gas in buildings is heating up. But the plans are also sparking opposition.

www.route-fifty.com

It's gonna get mighty cold in those Northern states without gas heating. So cold, in fact, that some people could very well end up dead from exposure while in their own houses.

From an economics point of view, electrical heating is already inefficient and not cost effective compared to gas, with increased electrical demand, EVs, building heating and more, a drop in generation, given the direction of only having renewable based electrical generation, its nearly a certainty that the electricity price is going to significantly increase, so even more expensive = less economical than it is now.

Progressives marching society and its peoples backwards both to be worse off than it they are now, as Progressive public policies more often than not do.

 

[trixare4kids]

Interest rates are still higher then what he inherited from Trump. He will likely leave office that way. How is that something you tout as a success?

His unemployment numbers are mostly low thanks to the massive expansion of gov jobs. I'm not sure if would call that a good thing.

The claim of a recession or not is highly debatable. Using the commonly accepted standard we did indeed go into a recession but using the narrowly defined one they used they avoided their depressed economy as being categorized as a fecession by the skun of their teeth.

The stockmarket did do well. Bidens presidency did benefit the rich, which i am told by the left is a bad thing. Apparently if they do well everyone else does poorly or so they say.

Today, the dollar was devalued because of a report that says inflation is back. This is all on the watch of Joe Biden... well, when he was awake. /s

 

[trixare4kids]

Logic fallacy of load question.

As a moderate Republican, I thought Biden was a decent President. He did well with what little he had. When he came into office, there was a pandemic and a recession. Three years later, we moved into an endemic and an economic expansion. Manufacturing were coming back to our shores. GDP was higher than it was under the Trump Administration. We actually passed infrastructure reform, lowered prescription drugs, and got out of Afghanistan.

It didn't bother me that Biden got slower and lost some memory issues. He still was able to get a lot of legislation passed and brokered the largest prisoner exchange since the Cold War and the recent Israel-Hezbollah ceasefire deal.

The country is going to sorely miss him after January 21st. Trump 45 was a relatively bad president -- filled with bad policies, incompetency, lies, and left the country with a recession and a public health crisis. By all means, good luck Trump 47 Musk 47. I hope Trump Musk prove me wrong.

I see you're parroting the Democrats' latest fibs/blatant lies. Nice. /s

 

[tshade]

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
. This is a prime example of a true soldier of the Leftist cause. Willing to spew The Greatest Absurdities known to man. But the question is, duped or knowingly lying?
. "can do his job well, which is superior to Trump at his best" That's Joe Scarborough level embarrassing.

historians disagree

. "Biden is still a classy diplomat who knows how ro govern." He's been brain dead for more than four years.

and he still governs better than Trump ever would. Loo at the latest budget chaos-----Biden had a deal, then trump screwed it up.

. "Biden is still ranked 28 places higher than Trump ion history."

These historians , 160 of them, are experts

Trumpers have trouble with experts....

 

[tshade]

Sure he can do his job if no one is allowed to ask him questions.

Far superior to trump still.........................opinions are coming out from both sides

 

[vesper]

I just don't know how to respond to a statement such as this, but apparently, many others agreed with you.

I just want to say that I was among those who spoke up before the 2020 election about Biden's already obvious cognitive decline and how despicable I think Jill Biden is for pushing him forward. SHE KNEW. She knew better than anybody. My opinions were dismissed as "partisanship" when they were not. I was speaking what I believed to be true, and the fact is that I have now been vindicated.

History will not be kind to the Bidens.

Nor will it be kind to our so called MSM or the Democrats either serving in Congress or his White House that continued to say Biden was on his game.
The latest WSJ article verified through 50 persons serving in the WH, spilling the tea ,his decline was present all the time he has been in the WH.