We're the cops in the right to kill Brooks?

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He was passed out in a Wendy's drive thru. That's not "parking to sleep it off". Get real. Also, did you attack the cops?

Justification to kill him alright. Dangerous criminal.

 

[Moot]

Wrong, Wendy's called 911 because he was passed out in the drive thru holding up the line. The cops got him over to the parking lot. How can you make such silly arguments without even knowing the facts?

Yes, I was wrong. I was going by the body cam that showed Brookes car already parked in the lot.

 

[Bodi]

It actually would not have been a good idea to let a drunk guy with a taser just go.

Not 'just go' but they could have backed off 50 feet or so and followed him, called in back-up... tried talking to the guy, etc.

 

[countryboy]

Justification to kill him alright. Dangerous criminal.

No, not in and of itself, but assaulting the officers, taking one of their weapons and firing it at them, completely justifies their response. And actually, he was a criminal with quite a long rap sheet which included cruelty to children.

 

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He had been driving, as evidenced by his being in the Wendy's drivethru, not parking lot. He was also "in control of the vehicle" since there were keys in the ignition and he was in the driver's seat. That does count.

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Death penalty.

 

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No, not in and of itself, but assaulting the officers, taking one of their weapons and firing it at them, completely justifies their response. And actually, he was a criminal with quite a long rap sheet which included cruelty to children.

That must be why the police have fired him and he is under investigation to be charged with murder. All the justifications in the world will not excuse what has become a too common happening in this country. Police mismanage a drunken driver situation into murder. All the rest is denial.

 

[countryboy]

Death penalty.

Are you serious?

 

[countryboy]

That must be why the police have fired him and he is under investigation to be charged with murder.

No, that is because agitators like you have our justice system turned on it's head. An honest reading of the facts doesn't justify the firing of the officer, especially before a thorough investigation can be conducted. No reasonable person could look at the available facts, and jump to the idiotic conclusions you have.

 

[countryboy]

That must be why the police have fired him and he is under investigation to be charged with murder. All the justifications in the world will not excuse what has become a too common happening in this country. Police mismanage a drunken driver situation into murder. All the rest is denial.

the only one in denial, is you. As I said, no reasonable person could view the available facts and come to the idiotic conclusions you have. But, you are obviously not a reasonable, or rational person.

 

[roguenuke]

The police body cam showed that he was parked in the Wendy's parking lot...not the drive thru.

Btw...one of the cops bullets hit a car in the drive thru.

No. The body cam showed them coming up to him while he was asleep in the drive thru, waking him up, then having to wake him again to ask him to move the vehicle, then the third time is him in a space.

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the only one in denial, is you. As I said, no reasonable person could view the available facts and come to the idiotic conclusions you have. But, you are obviously not a reasonable, or rational person.

Obviously. I don't believe in creating a murder situation out of a drunk stop. That is certainly irrational and unreasonable.

Enjoy the murder trial.

 

[roguenuke]

You're right...he was in the drive thru line. I don't know what to think now.

One thing worth noting...the cop that shot him had been reprimanded before over the use of his firearm....and he did shoot Brooks in the back....not close enough for him to claim self defense.

This is your opinion. Others would likely disagree. This is not nearly the case it is being made, even with some bad decisions on the part of the officer. There should have been an investigation of the shooting first. Then decisions on employment and finally whether to bring charges. But charges in this case would be hard to justify due to him turning and firing the taser. Less than lethal means it can still kill or cause serious injury. That is what justifies shooting even if his back was turned towards the officer when the shots were fired. A decent defense attorney could get an acquittal easily, if it even made it passed the GJ.

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[avatar]

No, that is because agitators like you have our justice system turned on it's head. An honest reading of the facts doesn't justify the firing of the officer, especially before a thorough investigation can be conducted. No reasonable person could look at the available facts, and jump to the idiotic conclusions you have.

Wrong side of history.

 

[roguenuke]

Death penalty.

No. No one said that. But there were other actions he took that escalated the events. Those are important to what transpired.

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[roguenuke]

Obviously. I don't believe in creating a murder situation out of a drunk stop. That is certainly irrational and unreasonable.

Enjoy the murder trial.

Then don't resist arrest and fire/aim any weapon at an officer.

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[roguenuke]

That must be why the police have fired him and he is under investigation to be charged with murder. All the justifications in the world will not excuse what has become a too common happening in this country. Police mismanage a drunken driver situation into murder. All the rest is denial.

The firing and talk of murder charges this early is due mainly to politics of the moment, not the event itself. Even the DA has not indicated what he could be charged with but felony murder is certainly not likely to stick since there is nothing indicating any part of that encounter was illegal on the officers' part with the possible exception of the shooting itself. The only reason I believe they are even entertaining felony murder is to attempt to get the other officer who would not be reasonably culpable at all for the one who shot Brooks.

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Then don't resist arrest and fire/aim any weapon at an officer.

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That's been the excuse for a number of years. Resisting while black is a death sentence.

 

[Moot]

This is your opinion. Others would likely disagree. This is not nearly the case it is being made, even with some bad decisions on the part of the officer. There should have been an investigation of the shooting first. Then decisions on employment and finally whether to bring charges. But charges in this case would be hard to justify due to him turning and firing the taser. Less than lethal means it can still kill or cause serious injury. That is what justifies shooting even if his back was turned towards the officer when the shots were fired. A decent defense attorney could get an acquittal easily, if it even made it passed the GJ.

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Yes, it is my opinion...subject to change. As it stands, my opinion is that the cop didn't have to use deadly force and Brookes wasn't close enough to claim it was self defense.

 

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No. No one said that. But there were other actions he took that escalated the events. Those are important to what transpired.

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Are you paying attention to the changes going on in our country. Those excuses are no longer good enough. There was no reasonable fear that he was going to kill someone. There shouldn't even have been a fear that he was getting away. Decisions like this are the result of poor training.

 

[2distracted]

Aren't they always?

I meant exonerated in your eyes

 

[2distracted]

Brooks clearly resisted arrest, which is a separate crime in itself. Then he took the cop's weapon, also a crime and a damned serious one. If Brooks shot that laser at the cop, and hit him, he would then be in the position to take the cop's service revolver and shoot the cop in the head; I guaran-damn-tee that officer knew that.

This officer had one-tenth of a second to decide what to do. It's not for me to judge him based on what I have seen so far. Sounds like his career was over the minute that video hit the air, without much of an investigation at all. He probably learned he'd been fired when he heard it on tv.

These BLM protests are absolutely necessary and long overdue, but I'm seeing frantic-panic now among police chiefs/mayors to instantly call a press conference and fire officers before they can possibly conclude an investigation. This situation, like many others, was complicated.

The George Floyd case was not complicated at all; it was murder.

I agree. I would like to see the video on Brooks again but from all I've seen and heard, the cop was not wrong. Frankly, it seems the guy was self destructive to do all that to the cop....hate to say asking for it but that's what it looks like,and y isn't anyone asking if he was suicidal?

 

[Noodlegawd]

Brooks stole a taser and shot at the cop. Assuming he did so AS he is running off, is the cop exonerated?

Maybe not "in the right," but it's rather understandable that a human being would react that way after a dangerous physical struggle and then having a weapon pointed at him, especially keeping in mind that he had maybe a second to react. There's no question in my mind that Brooks was the primary cause of his own death. That doesn't mean the cop should have shot him, but none of this ever would have come close to happening if the guy had complied with the officers.

 

[2distracted]

That's been the excuse for a number of years. Resisting while black is a death sentence.

So the guy did nothing wrong...all the cops' fault??

 

[roguenuke]

Are you paying attention to the changes going on in our country. Those excuses are no longer good enough. There was no reasonable fear that he was going to kill someone. There shouldn't even have been a fear that he was getting away. Decisions like this are the result of poor training.

They are important to me. I feel many people overreact without presenting valid reasoning or having any experience or knowledge with what they are protesting, whether talking about those insisting policing is a form of racial injustice (which isn't true, even in the way being presented, as if police should not be able to address threats as rationally as any human reasonably could) or it is those who insist a haircut is more important than other peoples health.

There is no excuse being made. Police are tasked with a job far more complicated than is being presented by protesters and others who are in it for political reasons. I realize that this is actually part of a cycle, but it is stupid. There certainly are acts of injustice that need to be addressed, but it is also wrong to overreact based on inexperience or even "shocking the public conscious" events. The investigation should be allowed to happen if true justice for anyone is to be reached and you dont start off by presenting a situation incorrectly, such as those who are making it out as if he was shot for sleeping (not even close to the scenario) or acting as if the ME report ruling the death as a homicide is significant to the justification (it isnt, all deaths caused by someone else are homicides).

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[2distracted]

Maybe not "in the right," but it's rather understandable that a human being would react that way after a dangerous physical struggle and then having a weapon pointed at him, especially keeping in mind that he had maybe a second to react. There's no question in my mind that Brooks was the primary cause of his own death. That doesn't mean the cop should have shot him, but none of this ever would have come close to happening if the guy had complied with the officers.

Again y havent media talkng heads and others mentioned him being possibly suicidal?