Well, I'll be a SOB! The CDC finds I was right!

[Paradoxical]

For MONTHS now I have been saying masks are just a giant placebo worn on the face instead of taking it as a pill. Many of you here disregarded what I was saying and, as usual, ridiculed me as wearing a tinfoil hat, or some other similar stupid retort. I told you that if smoke could go through a mask, so could COVID. Someone posted a great OP showing vape going through masks of varying types and you all dismissed the OP and video. I told you that if cigarette smoke could waft in the air suspended because it is lighter, and that COVID was the same size or lighter, COVID also could linger in the air. I further informed you that if COVID could go through the mask of the carrier, there was no reason it couldn't also go through YOUR mask. I suggested that scientists perform a test of several people in a room where a guy was smoking and they were blind folded and many feet away and they could raise their hand when they smelled smoke. None of you wanted to hear this. You live in denial land, like a drug addict who insists he doesn't have a problem with the spoon fed news he ingests.

Almost every one of you lauds the CDC and Dr. Fauci (except when he said masks don't work and was right and then changed his mind). So here is the link and the findings.

CDC updates coronavirus airborne transmission guidance after deleting earlier revision

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Monday again revised its webpage to acknowledge the potential for SARS-CoV-2 infection through virus-laden particles lingering in the air in enclosed areas with poor ventilation.

www.foxnews.com

Nevertheless the small particles can remain suspended in the air “for minutes to hours,” per the CDC, and may travel and infect others more than 6 feet away. In some instances, the infected individual was breathing heavily, the agency noted.

“Under these circumstances, scientists believe that the amount of infectious smaller droplet and particles produced by the people with COVID-19 became concentrated enough to spread the virus to other people. The people who were infected were in the same space during the same time or shortly after the person with COVID-19 had left.”

Airborne transmission was said to play a large role in the spread of other diseases like tuberculosis, measles and chicken pox.

So folks, I am very sorry to tell you, I am right once again. COVID is breathed out, is suspended in the air for HOURS (per the CDC) and infects others AFTER the infected person has "left the building" like someone cutting a fart in an elevator and it lingering there long after that joker got off. (Have to have some levity with a serious situation like this)

WHY is it these alleged brianiacs didn't know this long before now and a lay person like me had to be the one to break it to all of you BEFORE this CDC report? Why? Because they didn't want to scare all of you and have you freak out is why. They treat you like imbeciles and you take it. Isn't it time you all stopped believing in "authority" and did some research and thought on your own instead of texting and looking at your cell phones? I knew I was right not because I'm a scientist but because I used logic and common sense and didn't believe just because like some religious zealot reading what an elder said on TV or at The NY Times or WaPo.

 

[Mongidig]

In the article you posted the CDC say’s to wear a mask.

 

[dex4974]

"Scientists are only telling the truth when they're saying things I like to hear."

 

[RabidAlpaca]

You're intentionally lying about what was said. The CDC is saying even with masks transmission is still possible, which was already known. It does still however REDUCE THE CHANCE of transmission.

You lie because you're dishonest and have an agenda.

 

[Phys251]

Para, you proudly declared that this virus was "phony" and that it would disappear by August.

Literally nothing you say on this subject should ever be trusted.

 

[Felis Leo]

For MONTHS now I have been saying masks are just a giant placebo worn on the face instead of taking it as a pill. Many of you here disregarded what I was saying and, as usual, ridiculed me as wearing a tinfoil hat, or some other similar stupid retort. I told you that if smoke could go through a mask, so could COVID. Someone posted a great OP showing vape going through masks of varying types and you all dismissed the OP and video. I told you that if cigarette smoke could waft in the air suspended because it is lighter, and that COVID was the same size or lighter, COVID also could linger in the air. I further informed you that if COVID could go through the mask of the carrier, there was no reason it couldn't also go through YOUR mask. I suggested that scientists perform a test of several people in a room where a guy was smoking and they were blind folded and many feet away and they could raise their hand when they smelled smoke. None of you wanted to hear this. You live in denial land, like a drug addict who insists he doesn't have a problem with the spoon fed news he ingests.

Almost every one of you lauds the CDC and Dr. Fauci (except when he said masks don't work and was right and then changed his mind). So here is the link and the findings.

CDC updates coronavirus airborne transmission guidance after deleting earlier revision

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Monday again revised its webpage to acknowledge the potential for SARS-CoV-2 infection through virus-laden particles lingering in the air in enclosed areas with poor ventilation.

www.foxnews.com

So folks, I am very sorry to tell you, I am right once again. COVID is breathed out, is suspended in the air for HOURS (per the CDC) and infects others AFTER the infected person has "left the building" like someone cutting a fart in an elevator and it lingering there long after that joker got off. (Have to have some levity with a serious situation like this)

WHY is it these alleged brianiacs didn't know this long before now and a lay person like me had to be the one to break it to all of you BEFORE this CDC report? Why? Because they didn't want to scare all of you and have you freak out is why. They treat you like imbeciles and you take it. Isn't it time you all stopped believing in "authority" and did some research and thought on your own instead of texting and looking at your cell phones? I knew I was right not because I'm a scientist but because I used logic and common sense and didn't believe just because like some religious zealot reading what an elder said on TV or at The NY Times or WaPo.

Let me grant for the sake of argument that your assessment of the facts is correct, Paradoxical. Beyond feeling that you have caved in to left-leaning propaganda, what exactly have you lost by wearing a mask? These masks and face shields do not cost $1,000.00 apiece. Whatever the level of efficacy at preventing COVID-19's spread, it is a low-cost minor inconvenience at worst. It is not as though you are being asked to shut down your business for six months and file for bankruptcy.

And from everything that I have read, wearing a mask effectively simply reduces the wearer's ability to spread the virus through the air; it does not reduce your chances of catching the virus when the particles are already airborne. It is like a reverse seatbelt that when worn protects other drivers, but not you. If everyone wears masks properly, it significantly reduces the transmissibility of the disease.

Or perhaps a better analogy would be this: Because there is no fool-proof method of stopping the spread of coronavirus, every time you go out in public you are playing a game of Russian Roulette when it comes to catching COVID-19. The more PPE that you wear and more importantly, that other people wear, the fewer metaphorical bullets there are in the cylinder. So the question is, would you rather play Russian Roulette with one bullet in the cylinder or two, or three? Me, I want as few metaphorical bullets in the cylinder as possible.

 

[Moderate Right]

For MONTHS now I have been saying masks are just a giant placebo worn on the face instead of taking it as a pill. Many of you here disregarded what I was saying and, as usual, ridiculed me as wearing a tinfoil hat, or some other similar stupid retort. I told you that if smoke could go through a mask, so could COVID. Someone posted a great OP showing vape going through masks of varying types and you all dismissed the OP and video. I told you that if cigarette smoke could waft in the air suspended because it is lighter, and that COVID was the same size or lighter, COVID also could linger in the air. I further informed you that if COVID could go through the mask of the carrier, there was no reason it couldn't also go through YOUR mask. I suggested that scientists perform a test of several people in a room where a guy was smoking and they were blind folded and many feet away and they could raise their hand when they smelled smoke. None of you wanted to hear this. You live in denial land, like a drug addict who insists he doesn't have a problem with the spoon fed news he ingests.

Almost every one of you lauds the CDC and Dr. Fauci (except when he said masks don't work and was right and then changed his mind). So here is the link and the findings.

CDC updates coronavirus airborne transmission guidance after deleting earlier revision

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Monday again revised its webpage to acknowledge the potential for SARS-CoV-2 infection through virus-laden particles lingering in the air in enclosed areas with poor ventilation.

www.foxnews.com

So folks, I am very sorry to tell you, I am right once again. COVID is breathed out, is suspended in the air for HOURS (per the CDC) and infects others AFTER the infected person has "left the building" like someone cutting a fart in an elevator and it lingering there long after that joker got off. (Have to have some levity with a serious situation like this)

WHY is it these alleged brianiacs didn't know this long before now and a lay person like me had to be the one to break it to all of you BEFORE this CDC report? Why? Because they didn't want to scare all of you and have you freak out is why. They treat you like imbeciles and you take it. Isn't it time you all stopped believing in "authority" and did some research and thought on your own instead of texting and looking at your cell phones? I knew I was right not because I'm a scientist but because I used logic and common sense and didn't believe just because like some religious zealot reading what an elder said on TV or at The NY Times or WaPo.

I agree with this to a large degree, except for the fact that masks do seem to protect the mask wearer, even with the small aerosols. Pretty much everything else you said is correct. I've been saying basically this same thing myself for months now. The stupidest thing I have seen is many people wearing masks outside at restaurants (where transmission is almost impossible) waiting for a table and then when inside (where transmission is most likely) they take off their masks to eat and drink. When inside socially distancing is less effective, even if other tables are clear across the room or you are alone in the restaurant. If someone who has already left spewed virus germs in the air it gets swirled around with HVAC systems and ceiling fans and can infect you even if you are the only table in the whole place. But, I do think there is plenty of proof that even with the aerosols, masks protect the mask wearer to a very large degree. Everyone recently in Trump Co who tested positive doesn't wear masks and everyone around them wearing masks did not get the virus. I disagree very strongly with the left being the mask police because the only danger non-mask wearers are is a danger only to fellow non-mask wearers.

 

[Moderate Right]

"Scientists are only telling the truth when they're saying things I like to hear."

I do hope you realize that goes for both sides.

 

[Moderate Right]

You're intentionally lying about what was said. The CDC is saying even with masks transmission is still possible, which was already known. It does still however REDUCE THE CHANCE of transmission.

You lie because you're dishonest and have an agenda.

You ignore the part that aerosols do indeed infect people in inside settings, even when social distancing. Even if you are the only table in the entire restaurant and someone just left who spewed Covid germs all over the place, just waiting for you.

 

[Moderate Right]

Para, you proudly declared that this virus was "phony" and that it would disappear by August.

Literally nothing you say on this subject should ever be trusted.

The virus will disappear.

 

[Moderate Right]

Let me grant for the sake of argument that your assessment of the facts is correct, Paradoxical. Beyond feeling that you have caved in to left-leaning propaganda, what exactly have you lost by wearing a mask? These masks and face shields do not cost $1,000.00 apiece. Whatever the level of efficacy at preventing COVID-19's spread, it is a low-cost minor inconvenience at worst. It is not as though you are being asked to shut down your business for six months and file for bankruptcy.

And from everything that I have read, wearing a mask effectively simply reduces the wearer's ability to spread the virus through the air; it does not reduce your chances of catching the virus when the particles are already airborne. It is like a reverse seatbelt that when worn protects other drivers, but not you. If everyone wears masks properly, it significantly reduces the transmissibility of the disease.

Or perhaps a better analogy would be this: Because there is no fool-proof method of stopping the spread of coronavirus, every time you go out in public you are playing a game of Russian Roulette when it comes to catching COVID-19. The more PPE that you wear and more importantly, that other people wear, the fewer metaphorical bullets there are in the cylinder. So the question is, would you rather play Russian Roulette with one bullet in the cylinder or two, or three? Me, I want as few metaphorical bullets in the cylinder as possible.

It's just stupid to think that your mask does not protect you but it protects those around you. Time and time and time again there is evidence that the people catching the virus are the non mask wearers whereas mask wearers aren't catching the virus. This is also the way it just played out in recent events. Everyone testing positive in Trump & Co are not mask wearers while others directly and in close contact with these people who tested positive, did NOT come down with the virus if they wore masks.

 

[Paradoxical]

In the article you posted the CDC say’s to wear a mask.

and.......? Is this some news bulletin? What would one expect the CDC to say? IF they said there are no masks needed and ONE person died, that person's family would blame it on the CDC saying masks aren't needed, even though there is no proof that a mask does any good. The news bulletin would be if the had real balls and said masks are no longer needed.

 

[Paradoxical]

Let me grant for the sake of argument that your assessment of the facts is correct, Paradoxical. Beyond feeling that you have caved in to left-leaning propaganda, what exactly have you lost by wearing a mask? These masks and face shields do not cost $1,000.00 apiece. Whatever the level of efficacy at preventing COVID-19's spread, it is a low-cost minor inconvenience at worst. It is not as though you are being asked to shut down your business for six months and file for bankruptcy.

And from everything that I have read, wearing a mask effectively simply reduces the wearer's ability to spread the virus through the air; it does not reduce your chances of catching the virus when the particles are already airborne. It is like a reverse seatbelt that when worn protects other drivers, but not you. If everyone wears masks properly, it significantly reduces the transmissibility of the disease.

Or perhaps a better analogy would be this: Because there is no fool-proof method of stopping the spread of coronavirus, every time you go out in public you are playing a game of Russian Roulette when it comes to catching COVID-19. The more PPE that you wear and more importantly, that other people wear, the fewer metaphorical bullets there are in the cylinder. So the question is, would you rather play Russian Roulette with one bullet in the cylinder or two, or three? Me, I want as few metaphorical bullets in the cylinder as possible.

Here are the reason(s) and there are many.

I would use the plural so that this would include most Republicans/conservatives/Libertarians

1.) We detest being controlled by leftists
2.) Masks are very hot in California
3.) Masks contain your own germs
4.) Masks do not allow the proper flow of air into ones body
5.) Masks harm your bodies immune system
6.) masks hide people's identity and allow for easier crime
7.) This is nothing like Russian roulette when less than 1/10th of 1$ of the populace dies from it
8.) If you are under 45, your chances of dying from a lightning strike are higher
9.) America is hysterical right now with fear and hate because of listening to the media.
10.) Last and but not not least, masks actually allow a false sense of security because, as it is now proven and I have been saying, the COVID particles are suspended in the air, are invisible (unlike smoke) and WILL go right through ANY mask, as was shown in a video in another OP.

 

[Paradoxical]

I agree with this to a large degree, except for the fact that masks do seem to protect the mask wearer, even with the small aerosols. Pretty much everything else you said is correct. I've been saying basically this same thing myself for months now. The stupidest thing I have seen is many people wearing masks outside at restaurants (where transmission is almost impossible) waiting for a table and then when inside (where transmission is most likely) they take off their masks to eat and drink. When inside socially distancing is less effective, even if other tables are clear across the room or you are alone in the restaurant. If someone who has already left spewed virus germs in the air it gets swirled around with HVAC systems and ceiling fans and can infect you even if you are the only table in the whole place. But, I do think there is plenty of proof that even with the aerosols, masks protect the mask wearer to a very large degree. Everyone recently in Trump Co who tested positive doesn't wear masks and everyone around them wearing masks did not get the virus. I disagree very strongly with the left being the mask police because the only danger non-mask wearers are is a danger only to fellow non-mask wearers.

I will have to disagree with this and the reason goes back to my days of smoking as well as watching the video of the guy vaping and seeing how easily the vape particles went through his mask. Those vape particles become invisible but are still suspended in the air just like COVID particles as the new CDC report now admits. Then, logically what we have is those vape particles hanging the air like smoke (except you don't see them) and are dispersed over a wider area. I come from a smoker family and friends and smoked myself for many years. You can smell smoke for many, many feet away, meaning that you are breathing in smoke and I guarantee that a mask would not stop the smell or smoke particles from getting into your lungs from any distance. If you smell it, it's in the air.

When I thought about this, I reasoned that the only difference is that COVID particles don't have any odor. They are suspended in the air at supermarkets, stores, walking on the street from people shuffling their feet, cars going by, air conditioners, talking, etc. You could be in a store where everyone is wearing a ask and there could be just one guy in there with COVID walking up and down the aisles breathing out hundreds of thousands of COVID particles which are suspended above him, floating around like wafts of cigarette smoke but invisible, and when you walk down that aisle two minutes later, they settle down to your face level and you WILL breathe them in. If they go through HIS mask, they go through yours. I believe this is exactly why so many mask wearing people in those four states had so many people die so quickly. They were walking time bombs and they are in such small spaces that every breath a COVID carrier made was inhaled by many passers by THOUGH their masks. Additionally, New York has the most old people in the United States too.

 

[element94]

Fox News link, and then twisted by the OP.
This, in a nutshell, is what we're dealing with.
N O N S E N S E !

 

[lwf]

and.......? Is this some news bulletin? What would one expect the CDC to say? IF they said there are no masks needed and ONE person died, that person's family would blame it on the CDC saying masks aren't needed, even though there is no proof that a mask does any good. The news bulletin would be if the had real balls and said masks are no longer needed.

Not 100% effective is not the same thing as 0% effective.

 

[Paradoxical]

Not 100% effective is not the same thing as 0% effective.

Neither you nor science knows.

 

[roughdraft274]

8.) If you are under 45, your chances of dying from a lightning strike are higher

From what I can find, somewhere around 50 people in the US are killed by lightning every year. Covid deaths of people under 45 is well over 5000. You are off by a factor of 100x.

This is why no one take you seriously.

 

[lwf]

Neither you nor science knows.

Yes we do. Masks are effective at reducing the spread of a deadly pandemic.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

 

[Moderate Right]

I will have to disagree with this and the reason goes back to my days of smoking as well as watching the video of the guy vaping and seeing how easily the vape particles went through his mask. Those vape particles become invisible but are still suspended in the air just like COVID particles as the new CDC report now admits. Then, logically what we have is those vape particles hanging the air like smoke (except you don't see them) and are dispersed over a wider area. I come from a smoker family and friends and smoked myself for many years. You can smell smoke for many, many feet away, meaning that you are breathing in smoke and I guarantee that a mask would not stop the smell or smoke particles from getting into your lungs from any distance. If you smell it, it's in the air.

When I thought about this, I reasoned that the only difference is that COVID particles don't have any odor. They are suspended in the air at supermarkets, stores, walking on the street from people shuffling their feet, cars going by, air conditioners, talking, etc. You could be in a store where everyone is wearing a ask and there could be just one guy in there with COVID walking up and down the aisles breathing out hundreds of thousands of COVID particles which are suspended above him, floating around like wafts of cigarette smoke but invisible, and when you walk down that aisle two minutes later, they settle down to your face level and you WILL breathe them in. If they go through HIS mask, they go through yours. I believe this is exactly why so many mask wearing people in those four states had so many people die so quickly. They were walking time bombs and they are in such small spaces that every breath a COVID carrier made was inhaled by many passers by THOUGH their masks. Additionally, New York has the most old people in the United States too.

I agree with the smoke thing BUT there is more and more evidence every day that masks do protect you from the virus. Not only many other stories but if you take recent events, the people not wearing the masks caught the virus while those directly around them wearing masks did not test positive. Now no one really understands the science per say but when most everyone tests positive who do not wear masks while those directly around these same people who wear masks and don't test positive there is really only one conclusion you can come to, smoke fumes or no smoke fumes.

 

[Luce]

In the article you posted the CDC say’s to wear a mask.

Shhhh. You don't see massive self-ownage like this every day.

 

[Paradoxical]

From what I can find, somewhere around 50 people in the US are killed by lightning every year. Covid deaths of people under 45 is well over 5000. You are off by a factor of 100x.

This is why no one take you seriously.

It was a figure of speech. However.......thanks for pointing out that number. 5000 people, a population of 330 million. Lets see. New math tells me 5 divided by 33, carry the zeros, add 10, do a twirl and viola!!! you get a death rate of a staggering 0.00015!!

WOW!!

 

[CaughtInThe]

You're intentionally lying about what was said. The CDC is saying even with masks transmission is still possible, which was already known. It does still however REDUCE THE CHANCE of transmission.

You lie because you're dishonest and have an agenda.

Not only does he lie but he sucks at math.

 

[joko104]

This has been known for a century. The masks are a combination of placebo and method to condition people to accept total authoritarians by forcing submission to anti-science and government ordered lies - plus a way to maximize spreading covid-19 for profit and power. Masks kill people. They have killed lots and lots of Americans. All of this has been to terrorize and kill Americans.

 

[Paradoxical]

Yes we do. Masks are effective at reducing the spread of a deadly pandemic.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Let's see all the people "in authority" in the article..........CDC, health experts, epidemiologists, infectious disease specialists. What do you expect them to say. that masks DON'T work? If any person in that group said that, their respective tribes would drum them out of their jobs through posts on Twitter, FN, Instagram. Their phone numbers and addresses would be posted and they would be doxxed into apology and submission. This is the way of this evil world we live in today.

Once again, the article is contrary to what Dr. Fauci when he said cloth masks were just as good as surgical masks, so why this concern about any alleged shortage of surgical masks, which are a dime a dozen, anyway? Rutherford was more blunt. The legitimate concern that the limited supply of surgical masks and N95 respirators should be saved for health care workers should not have prevented more nuanced messaging about the benefits of masking. “We should have told people to wear cloth masks right off the bat,” he said. (and yet these people "in authority did NOT tell people to wear masks right off the bat and they are the experts???)

In any event, why in the hell is anyone still posting about the stupid lab tests concerning respiratory droplets, which is what this article talks about. You've seen my postings on that matter. You're also completely ignoring this OP which has zero to do with those tests. This OP talks about COVID being suspended in the air, just like cigarette smoke or vape smoke, as was seen in another OP. What happens is through just normal breathing (doesn't take a sneeze like the lab tested for) a person breathes off a certain amount of COVID viruses. They get suspended in the air as he walks around in stores or wherever. They are suspended for minutes or even hours (according to the CDC).

So, what do you think happens to them. Some fall to the ground, are stepped on, fall onto shelves and who knows what. BEFORE that, YOU breathe them in. That is WHY so many died where people wore masks.