We need to start talking openly about breaking the country up peacefully

[Hampton86]

The GDP disparity is due to tech and where companies are headquarted.

Assuming the red states in the middle and south of the country broke away, new corporations would be springing up all over the place.

Freedom breeds economic activity and growth - socialism the opposite.

Not sure that inbred citizens make great engineers

 

[Individual]

It is a fact. Sorry if the facts hurt your feelings.

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans

www.wsj.com

Facts we're talking about are not constants.

 

[Individual]

Reading a book turns you into a paranoid conspiracy nut??

? - Referring to your quote of my post in your response.

 

[wist43]

Not sure that inbred citizens make great engineers

An enlightened observation.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Facts we're talking about are not constants.

?

 

[Individual]

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Answered in post #476.

 

[bearpoker]

They are free to go find another country, their own land to start their own country in, denounce their US citizenship, and go to. They don't get US land to start their country on.

Since global warming is a hoax, they should pool their resources and buy an island. No danger complications from the rising sea level.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Answered in post #476.

Your answer is utter nonsense.

The tech/computer industry for example, rose out of Northern CA. Because of what you would call socialism. Heavy public investment in education, world class universities, and a well educated work force.

It takes money to make money. That is what tax and invest liberalism is all about.

That is why the vast majority of the US's innovative and economically productive companies and industries are in places you would call socialist.

 

[Individual]

Your answer is utter nonsense.

The tech/computer industry for example, rose out of Northern CA. Because of what you would call socialism. Heavy public investment in education, world class universities, and a well educated work force.

It takes money to make money. That is what tax and invest liberalism is all about.

That is why the vast majority of the US's innovative and economically productive companies and industries are in places you would call socialist.

Even more so, is your response.

 

[Jay59]

No. That is a fact. Only 30% of the US GDP comes from counties that voted for Trump.

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans

www.wsj.com

This is an old political spin, based solely on mailing addresses.

There may be no factory Manhattan Island, but if the corporate mailing address is there, then they allocate all the GDP to New York City. It's why Delaware is so high on the list of states. An economist would allocate the GDP by asset location, payroll, or another system more reflective of where the products are produced and sold.

No, you've got it backwards. Democrats are the party of the economically productive (work for a living). 70% of GDP in fact.

Democrats are party of the suit and tie crowd. The Republicans are the party of the wage earner.

Sorry if the facts hurt your feelings.

 

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In a University of Virginia poll they found 52% of Trump voters and 41% of Biden voters "somewhat agreed" with the statement that red states should secede and form our own country.

Somewhat agreed? Hardly earth shattering.

This has to happen, or it is inevitable that armed conflict will commence and escalate.

There will be no armed conflict if you are threatening to get out your guns. It's not gonna happen.n

Democrats are increasingly using the force of law (unconstitutional laws) to impose their will on everyone.

Democrats are not doing that. Biden wants everyone to be vaccinated to stop people dying.
It's not some military takeover by some Chinese tyrant. You are grossly over reacting and it comes ftom your hatred of drmocrats.

Democrats applaud this use of force, and can't understand why anyone would not willingly comply.

Show your evidence that they applaud anything. I know you can't so you should apologise. That's a lie.

Libertarians, Republicans, and a majority of independents simply want to be left alone to make their own decisions and live their lives as they see fit.

You can do that. It's your right to die how you want but it's not your right to infect every one else.

Eventually the leftists Democrats will push too far and large segments of the population will refuse to obey.

Will they now. What will they do? Mow their lawns in protest? Get out the old guns and March on the WH like pillaging hordes of Chinese troops?
Settle down. You will do nothing.

Enforcement measures may take many forms - forced out of employment, denied food, etc. Eventually shots will be fired and the Democrats (Federal Goverment, Media, the Deep State) will turn the military on the "racist", "diseased", "xenophobic", "hate-filled Christian", extremists that populate the "red states".

Here we Go again. Out comes the obligatory republicans threats to take back the country. Go right ahead and fire some shots. see how brave you are.
The military will melt them on the spot.

Make no mistake - this is exactly where we're heading.

Only in your mind. There's nothing external to indicate it.

We need to begin having peaceful, rational, negotiations on a plan of secession before our nation descends into civil war.

Secession to what? Install trump again? Hand but back to the fascist republicans?
More capitol riots to destroy democracy? Some secession plan. You gave to be kidding.

 

[ClaraD]

That is a pretty good description of our education system today half witted and graduating high school with a 6th grade education. Hell some of the kids today is so damned stupid they protest for BLM and actually believe bullshit like 1619.
Some of the smartest people you will ever see come off farms. My dad was foreman of the milling machine department for Consolidated during WW2, building B24's. He used to say when he was given a farmer, he would teach him to be a machinist. He said when they gave him a college boy, he would stick him in the drill press department because they were too stupid to teach.
Put someone like you on a farm, and they would starve in a year. You don't understand anything about the real world.

Actually, we have a very high literacy rate today compared to what it was in the 1800s.

 

[ClaraD]

That is a pretty good description of our education system today half witted and graduating high school with a 6th grade education. Hell some of the kids today is so damned stupid they protest for BLM and actually believe bullshit like 1619.
Some of the smartest people you will ever see come off farms. My dad was foreman of the milling machine department for Consolidated during WW2, building B24's. He used to say when he was given a farmer, he would teach him to be a machinist. He said when they gave him a college boy, he would stick him in the drill press department because they were too stupid to teach.
Put someone like you on a farm, and they would starve in a year. You don't understand anything about the real world.

and those folks you call stupid, knew how to operate a computer before pre-school. You barely knew how to put on your shoes when you were in pre-K

 

[NolanVoyd]

Even more so, is your response.

My response was factual.

 

[Individual]

My response was factual.

So you said.

 

[ClaraD]

Try eating software and Wall St derivatives. Rural districts can survive quite well without CA and NY. Most of what we need that we don't produce comes from China anyway.

They cannot survive however, without ports of entry and a way to transport oil...

 

[The Stars Tremble]

No. People won't work in Blue states because of the riots and homeless poop.

Plus, no need to work when the gubmint pays you a "living wage" to shoot heroin with free needles.

Wow, you don't think free needles to stop the spread of HIV and Hep-B is a good investment in public health.

I just checked Walmart. 3ml syringes are 20c each. And that's retail.

Drug addiction is a medical problem, it's not a moral fault. If you'd said idleness, I might agree, but the idea that people would react to less work stress by taking a major painkiller doesn't really stand up.

My jurisdiction used to punish needle possession ("drug paraphenalia") until they realized that was the direct cause of junkies dumping the needle on the ground, in someone's letter-box, or wherever. So for a while it was "needle exchange": you had to bring back a used needle to get your free replacement. Hardly ideal, carrying around a used needle. So now it's secure disposal at suitably discrete places (steel containers with a tiny slot) and free syringes at any pharmacy. See, government can actually learn, it just needs to listen to experts and ignore outraged blowhards on talkback radio.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Broaden those pasta noodles and think stroganoff!!!

Russia stroganoff, with nukes?

 

[Slartibartfast]

No. People won't work in Blue states because of the riots and homeless poop.

So many people want to live in blue areas that it pushes up property values to very high levels.

Plus, no need to work when the gubmint pays you a "living wage" to shoot heroin with free needles.

Please cite this happening with some sort of study, news article, or other proof.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

They cannot survive however, without ports of entry and a way to transport oil...

BTW, this asssumption that "rural=food-producing=GOP" is pretty questionable. California is the greatest food producer, at least partly because of GOP-leaning south western irrigation farms.

When it comes to crossing state lines to make new countries, surely we can put this on the back burner. The one that doesn't work at all.

Oh and fishing ... coastal elites ... *cough*

 

[The Stars Tremble]

So many people want to live in blue areas that it pushes up property values to very high levels.

Please cite this happening with some sort of study, news article, or other proof.

I'm sure it does happen. What you'd do to prevent it would be worse though. Drug tests for all welfare/pension recipients, cut off all contact between them and government, promote crime to feed their habits, spread disease, send junkies to prison for crime that never needs to happen.

It's all here in Drug War for Morons: How to Save Money on Welfare by Paying for Prisons Instead. Ignore the chapter on killing drug dealers for their stash, I think that only applies in the Philippines.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I'm sure it does happen. What you'd do to prevent it would be worse though. Drug tests for all welfare/pension recipients, cut off all contact between them and government, promote crime to feed their habits, spread disease, send junkies to prison for crime that never needs to happen.

I would certainly be for having government help them, but as far as what needs to happen is a case by case basis.

It's all here in Drug War for Morons: How to Save Money on Welfare by Paying for Prisons Instead. Ignore the chapter on killing drug dealers for their stash, I think that only applies in the Philippines.

I am not sure what this means.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

I would certainly be for having government help them, but as far as what needs to happen is a case by case basis.

I am not sure what this means.

Free needles do no harm and cost virtually nothing. Secure disposal is an investment but shouldn't need a worker to clean them out more than once a month.
Drug tests to get welfare (or even worse, a pension like disability) are simply terrible. Private enterprise isn't going to come looking for the junkies, but crime will.

Satire. Further marginalizing people who are already marginalized (shunned by friends, unattractive to employers etc) does not escape my satire. That's Duterte shit.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Free needles do no harm and cost virtually nothing. Secure disposal is an investment but shouldn't need a worker to clean them out more than once a month.

Free needles have been studied to death at this point and are shown to be effective, but it is morally counter-intuitive for those who would prefer to punish these people through the law.

Drug tests to get welfare (or even worse, a pension like disability) are simply terrible. Private enterprise isn't going to come looking for the junkies, but crime will.

These tests tend to be ineffective as well. Its a waste of money.

Satire. Further marginalizing people who are already marginalized (shunned by friends, unattractive to employers etc) does not escape my satire. That's Duterte shit.

Ahh.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Free needles have been studied to death at this point and are shown to be effective, but it is morally counter-intuitive for those who would prefer to punish these people through the law.

These tests tend to be ineffective as well. Its a waste of money.

Ahh.

"Morally counter-intuitive" I guess means that moral reasoning can be factually wrong. To use an an old adage "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions".

Yes, but even if the tests are unreliable, some drug users will be scared away. Quite reasonably worried that the results will find their way to police.

(Hard tacos are about the messiest food, I'm not a huge fan. But your name is funny!)