We need to start talking openly about breaking the country up peacefully

[wist43]

No, its a fact. The vast majority of America's GDP is in Blue areas. Red America would barely qualify as a developing nation.

The GDP disparity is due to tech and where companies are headquarted.

Assuming the red states in the middle and south of the country broke away, new corporations would be springing up all over the place.

Freedom breeds economic activity and growth - socialism the opposite.

 

[wist43]

Nope, everyone won't. Those of us who wouldn't be leaving the US would keep our currency.

This thread is definitely conspiracy theory level though.

It's just math... you need to do some of your own research, b/c the dollar won't be the world reserve currency in 10 years.

We're $29 trillion in debt now, will over $50 trillion in 4 years. Medicare will be insolvent in 5 years, China can cut us off from chips and medication any time they want - and they will, etc...

I don't know who you're trusting to give you your news, but it's obvious you have no idea what's happening.

 

[roguenuke]

It's just math... you need to do some of your own research, b/c the dollar won't be the world reserve currency in 10 years.

We're $29 trillion in debt now, will over $50 trillion in 4 years. Medicare will be insolvent in 5 years, China can cut us off from chips and medication any time they want - and they will, etc...

I don't know who you're trusting to give you your news, but it's obvious you have no idea what's happening.

It's just math that the the right wing states would be broke and highly in debt, most begging to come back in within a few years if they separated.

In reality, it isn't going to happen without a complete collapse of the US first. And that would much more likely look similar to The Postman.

 

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In a University of Virginia poll they found 52% of Trump voters and 41% of Biden voters "somewhat agreed" with the statement that red states should secede and form our own country.

This has to happen, or it is inevitable that armed conflict will commence and escalate.

Democrats are increasingly using the force of law (unconstitutional laws) to impose their will on everyone. Democrats applaud this use of force, and can't understand why anyone would not willingly comply.

Libertarians, Republicans, and a majority of independents simply want to be left alone to make their own decisions and live their lives as they see fit.

Eventually the leftists Democrats will push too far and large segments of the population will refuse to obey.

Enforcement measures may take many forms - forced out of employment, denied food, etc. Eventually shots will be fired and the Democrats (Federal Goverment, Media, the Deep State) will turn the military on the "racist", "diseased", "xenophobic", "hate-filled Christian", extremists that populate the "red states".

Make no mistake - this is exactly where we're heading.

We need to begin having peaceful, rational, negotiations on a plan of secession before our nation descends into civil war.

I sincerely hope that we come back from the brink before that happens. I served in the military for three years under the flag that represents America. However if the democrat party continues to weaken our election system by way of such practices as mass mailout balloting with little to no ballot security, continues to attempt to change voting demographics through illegal immigration followed by DACA schemes passing out amnesty to them, and continues efforts to abolish the electoral college system, at some point, something will have to give. There will be succession movements. Though I doubt it will get to the point of taking up arms against each other.

 

[Questerr]

The GDP disparity is due to tech and where companies are headquarted.

Assuming the red states in the middle and south of the country broke away, new corporations would be springing up all over the place.

Freedom breeds economic activity and growth - socialism the opposite.

Then why is most of America's economic activity in "socialist" Blue areas?

 

[wist43]

It's just math that the the right wing states would be broke and highly in debt, most begging to come back in within a few years if they separated.

In reality, it isn't going to happen without a complete collapse of the US first. And that would much more likely look similar to The Postman.

The U.S. is collapsing now... like I said, it's the math.

And as history proves, freedom breeds prosperity.

The coming years are going to be very ugly.

 

[roguenuke]

The U.S. is collapsing now... like I said, it's the math.

And as history proves, freedom breeds prosperity.

The coming years are going to be very ugly.

No, it isn't.

We have more freedom now than we've had in generations, if ever.

 

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In a University of Virginia poll they found 52% of Trump voters and 41% of Biden voters "somewhat agreed" with the statement that red states should secede and form our own country.

This has to happen, or it is inevitable that armed conflict will commence and escalate.

Democrats are increasingly using the force of law (unconstitutional laws) to impose their will on everyone. Democrats applaud this use of force, and can't understand why anyone would not willingly comply.

Libertarians, Republicans, and a majority of independents simply want to be left alone to make their own decisions and live their lives as they see fit.

Eventually the leftists Democrats will push too far and large segments of the population will refuse to obey.

Enforcement measures may take many forms - forced out of employment, denied food, etc. Eventually shots will be fired and the Democrats (Federal Goverment, Media, the Deep State) will turn the military on the "racist", "diseased", "xenophobic", "hate-filled Christian", extremists that populate the "red states".

Make no mistake - this is exactly where we're heading.

We need to begin having peaceful, rational, negotiations on a plan of secession before our nation descends into civil war.

I totally agree with the fact that this country needs to get divided and each side be on their own. Nonetheless, I have a different view on what is happening. The Democrats are trying to defend what is considered a "family" that works toghether for the benefit of the family. The Republicans are not supporting family values. They simply want to live their lives as if the only important thing is individual advancement.

I choose family over individualism. Nothing in life matters if you do not have someone to share it with. When you are totally alone at the top of the mountain and there is no one at the bottom of the mountain to acknowledge and applaud the achievement, it means absolutely nothing.

 

[wist43]

Then why is most of America's economic activity in "socialist" Blue areas?

They weren't allows leftwing hell holes. Most of those companies grew up in a less insane environment than exists today.

Things simply got worse over time. I stopped doing business in California about 4 years ago, and New York just recently.

California is rich in natural resources and beauty. I used to love California, I was born there, but the left has turned it into a complete shithole.

 

[Questerr]

They weren't allows leftwing hell holes. Most of those companies grew up in a less insane environment than exists today.

Things simply got worse over time. I stopped doing business in California about 4 years ago, and New York just recently.

California is rich in natural resources and beauty. I used to love California, I was born there, but the left has turned it into a complete shithole.

Curious, can you name a specific year when those states became "socialist"?

 

[bluemoonofKY]

I am so tired of the constant lies from the right.....it's hard to discuss actual issues when I feel like I spend all my time simply correcting lies.

But the lies MUST NOT be allowed to stand.

I can go along with that so long as you call out the lies on the left as well,

 

[ClaraD]

My God, have you ever been outside of Florida? How can anyone be so ignorant of the country they live in?

I have lived in more states than you have visited, probably and spent 2 decades outside of the US.

 

[Candyman]

Why is it that when a Democrat wins the Presidency we immediately start hearing about "secession" and splitting up the country? As I've always said, sour grapes make for great whine.

And why would we want to break up the country? I mean, sure, if you want to give up Superpower status and World Leader status in a number of industries. I guess that's fine. Y'all get in a hissy panic about China being THE world power but breaking up the US will simply hand them that title. You think the country of Texas can take on China? Hell The Nation of Texas will be annexed by Mexico by the end of the week.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I can go along with that so long as you call out the lies on the left as well,

I do......but the problem is mostly a problem of the right.

 

[wist43]

Curious, can you name a specific year when those states became "socialist"?

It's taken years to get this far down the rabbit hole.

And "socialism" isn't an accurate label. What we have in all those states and in the U.S. as a whole, is fascism.

There is always going to be a relationship between the people, the corporate world, and the government. Where you really start to get into trouble is when corporations and government join forces to "rig the game".

And we are far onto that condition in the U.S. today.

In the worst states - states like California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, i.e. in general the blue states - that perverse relationship is joined in with the public sector unions, and those coalitions have literally stolen everything that isn't nailed down - and the future as well.

None of it is sustainable. Those of you on the left love to tout the GDP of California, but California is itself on the path to insolvency. The combined debt of the state and municipalities is somewhere around $1.6 trillion. And several cities are playing games with their numbers just to stay out of bankruptcy.

Stockton, San Bernardino, and Vallejo have already filed bankruptcy. Los Angeles will likely have file within a few years.

Just as Social Security and Medicare are Ponzi Schemes, the states are doing that with public sector unions - only the union membership doesn't bail out the current retirees, the taxpayers do.

Here in Wisconsin, a few years back, the state teachers union set up an insurance company and contracted with the state to provide health insurance for the teachers. By law the contract was subject to a bidding process, and of course the teachers union won the contract with a bid that was 10 times higher than the lowest bid. They could do that b/c the funds came out of the public treasury.

They were literally stealing $hundreds of millions of $$$. For years, that disgusting union has been running ads in this state, with flowery music, and appeals "for the children", and partnering "for the future"... it's beyond disgusting.

You're being ripped off and lied to. You need to wake up and get informed.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Why is it that when a Democrat wins the Presidency we immediately start hearing about "secession" and splitting up the country? As I've always said, sour grapes make for great whine.

And why would we want to break up the country? I mean, sure, if you want to give up Superpower status and World Leader status in a number of industries. I guess that's fine. Y'all get in a hissy panic about China being THE world power but breaking up the US will simply hand them that title. You think the country of Texas can take on China? Hell The Nation of Texas will be annexed by Mexico by the end of the week.

Couple that with the fact there really are no "red" states or "blue" states.
It's truly stupid to talk about our 50 states as if each one is all in for one party or all in for the other-though a few may be close .

 

[NolanVoyd]

Couple that with the fact there really are no "red" states or "blue" states.
It's truly stupid to talk about our 50 states as if each one is all in for one party or all in for the other-though a few may be close .

I think that is a product of the electoral college. In presidential elections most states are either red or blue. ( I think there are a few that split their electoral votes).

If you are a Republican in California or a Democrat in Iowa, your vote for president doesn't really count.

Perhaps one person one vote would be an improvement.

 

[Buckeyes85]

I think that is a product of the electoral college. In presidential elections most states are either red or blue. ( I think there are a few that split their electoral votes).

If you are a Republican in California or a Democrat in Iowa, your vote for president doesn't really count.

Perhaps one person one vote would be an improvement.

I appreciate it is a product of the electoral college but the premise of the thread is the suggestion that we should consider splitting up the country, presumably based upon the red state/blue state divide when there is no such thing.

 

[Jay59]

The fact is that if red and blue were to separate, the red country would instantly be third world.

That's not a fact. That isn't even a well-supported opinion.

Completely idiotic thinking that any state could succeed from the US and survive on it's own.
They fail to realize that any such succession would mean being cut off from federal funds, federal infrastructure access, federal protection, etc.

It depends. Do you include all the federal land within the state borders? Texas and probably Florida could do it. California has the serious problem of not owning the water they use.

I would say that makes the Democratic Party the party of the economically productive.

If you mean elitist, you are correct. Republicans are the work for a living party.

Red counties.

So, 90% of the country, including almost all the resources and most of the production.

It's just math that the the right wing states would be broke and highly in debt, most begging to come back in within a few years if they separated.

Fake math using alt-facts. Not in the real world.

In reality, it isn't going to happen without a complete collapse of the US first. And that would much more likely look similar to The Postman.

I'll give you this. Cites would have mass starvation which is not much different than smoking holes.

Why is it that when a Democrat wins the Presidency we immediately start hearing about "secession" and splitting up the country? As I've always said, sour grapes make for great whine.

Not just Democrats. It happened after the 2016 election.

And why would we want to break up the country? I mean, sure, if you want to give up Superpower status and World Leader status in a number of industries. I guess that's fine. Y'all get in a hissy panic about China being THE world power but breaking up the US will simply hand them that title. You think the country of Texas can take on China? Hell The Nation of Texas will be annexed by Mexico by the end of the week.

This makes very little sense.

I don't know about China, but Texas could annex everything to Panama. Why would they want to?

 

[NolanVoyd]

I appreciate it is a product of the electoral college but the premise of the thread is the suggestion that we should consider splitting up the country, presumably based upon the red state/blue state divide when there is no such thing.

I get it. I think going to a one person one vote system would help though.

 

[Individual]

Red counties.

Keep believing that.

 

[NolanVoyd]

That's not a fact. That isn't even a well-supported opinion.

No. That is a fact. Only 30% of the US GDP comes from counties that voted for Trump.

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans

www.wsj.com

If you mean elitist, you are correct. Republicans are the work for a living party.

No, you've got it backwards. Democrats are the party of the economically productive (work for a living). 70% of GDP in fact.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Keep believing that.

It is a fact. Sorry if the facts hurt your feelings.

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans

www.wsj.com

 

[wist43]

I appreciate it is a product of the electoral college but the premise of the thread is the suggestion that we should consider splitting up the country, presumably based upon the red state/blue state divide when there is no such thing.

The EC, and prior to the disastrous 17th amendment, the appointment of Senators by the state legislatures - is one of the few remaining impediments to tyranny of the majority.

Democracy is a terrible form of government, and always exhausts itself in corruption, discord, and violence.

It is for precisely these reasons that the Founders sought to place as many impediments as possible to democracy and the accumulation of power in government as they could.

Likewise the terrible characteristics of democracy are exactly why the ruling elite of today want a democracy - to enlist the ignorant masses in working to enslave themselves.

It's not like our Founders didn't write about all these things. They warned us, and Americans spit on those warnings like they spit on the Constitution.

 

[Hampton86]

That describes pretty much everyone.

It's as if you've never read a book in your life

Reading a book turns you into a paranoid conspiracy nut??