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We have a Spending Problem, NOT a tax revenue problem

What is the dollar amount of change at bea.gov? You love percentage change but ignore the actual dollars. Then again what does this have to do with the thread topic?

From BEA.gov

2000 9951.50 6.39%
2001 10286.20 3.36%
2002 10642.30 3.46%
2003 11142.10 4.70%
2004 11867.80 6.51%
2005 12638.40 6.49%
2006 13398.90 6.02%
2007 14077.60 5.07%
2008 14441.40 2.58%

U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis
Ummm, my link also went to the BEA website. The difference between the numbers we're posting is that while I'm posting real numbers, you're posting nominal numbers.

Even you once admitted that nominal numbers are worthless...

"Nominal numbers (sometimes called categorical numbers) are numerals used for identification only. The numerical value is irrelevant, and they do not indicate quantity, rank, or any other measurement." ~ Conservative

... yet you continue to use them still for the sole reason that they are bigger. Btw, the nominal figure for 2000 is also bigger but I know better than to post nominal figures.
 
Ok, I know you struggle with numbers, but let's see if you can answer this ... When Reagan took over, the misery index was 19.3% (not over 30% as you falsely asserted) ... 5 years and two months later, the misery index fell back to single digits to 9.5%. Unemployment at that point had dropped only 3/10ths of one percent, from 7.% to 7.2%.

Now here comes the question I wanna see if you're capable of answering (without using fingers) ... what percentage of the drop in the misery index did unemployment play a part of?

LOL, percentage drop? I'll take the 7.2% unemployment. You sure do have a problem staying on topic and want badly to continue to divert from the Obama record which has a misery index in double figures. Interesting
 
It's funny how Conservatives turn a blind eye to Reagan's tax increases, which preceded the economic boom of the mid to late 80's.

0bama record, 14.7 officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
 
LOL, percentage drop? I'll take the 7.2% unemployment. You sure do have a problem staying on topic and want badly to continue to divert from the Obama record which has a misery index in double figures. Interesting
Prove we don't have a revenue problem? During WWII the debt was something like 125% of GDP, yet because of the taxes we conquered that problem.
 
Prove we don't have a revenue problem? During WWII the debt was something like 125% of GDP, yet because of the taxes we conquered that problem.

Spending causes debt not revenue growth.
 
The Bush tax rate cuts were initially rebates not withholding cuts.
It's truly amazing how no matter how many times I prove your bull**** is bull****, you still keep posting the same bull**** as though it's not bull**** ...

Here are the withholding tables you claim didn't exist... (and I note, I've showed you this before. This is not new information to you) ...


New Withholding Tables for 2001

June 2001

This publication contains revised withholding rates and 2001 tables. Employers should begin using the withholding tables in this publication as soon as possible for wages paid after June 30, 2001. The change is a result of the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001. This publication is a supplement to Pub. 15, Circular E, Employer’s Tax Guide, Pub. 15-A, Employer’s Supplemental Tax Guide, and Pub. 51, Circular A, Agricultural Employer's Tax Guide.​
 
It's truly amazing how no matter how many times I prove your bull**** is bull****, you still keep posting the same bull**** as though it's not bull**** ...

Here are the withholding tables you claim didn't exist... (and I note, I've showed you this before. This is not new information to you) ...


New Withholding Tables for 2001

June 2001

This publication contains revised withholding rates and 2001 tables. Employers should begin using the withholding tables in this publication as soon as possible for wages paid after June 30, 2001. The change is a result of the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001. This publication is a supplement to Pub. 15, Circular E, Employer’s Tax Guide, Pub. 15-A, Employer’s Supplemental Tax Guide, and Pub. 51, Circular A, Agricultural Employer's Tax Guide.​

0bama record, 14.7 officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
 
Reagan 10-10-5% FIT income tax cuts, please cite for me when he raised Federal Income taxes which affect all income earners?
Why? What the point? He raised taxes. He said corporations need to "pay their fair share." Do want the video again?
 
Why? What the point? He raised taxes. He said corporations need to "pay their fair share." Do want the video again?

0bama record, 14.7 officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
 
LOL, percentage drop? I'll take the 7.2% unemployment.
Wrong answer.

One more try for you before you get an 'F' for the day ... what percentage of the drop in the misery index did unemployment contribute from the time Reagan became president to the time the misery index fell back to single digits?
 
Watch former conservative Senator Alan Simpson: :mrgreen:

 
Wrong answer.

One more try for you before you get an 'F' for the day ... what percentage of the drop in the misery index did unemployment contribute from the time Reagan became president to the time the misery index fell back to single digits?

0bama record, 14.7 officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
 
Watch former conservative Senator Alan Simpson: :mrgreen:



0bama record, 14.7 officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
 
0bama record, 14.7 officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment
Better record than any Republican on record over their first 28 months in office:

Nixon ............ +74%
Eisenhower ... +48%
Bush ............. +45%
Ford .............. +42%
Reagan ......... +35%
GHW Bush ..... +28%
Obama .......... +17%
Kennedy ........ -11%
Clinton ........... -23%
Carter ............ -25%
Johnson ......... -33%


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
 
Better record than any Republican on record over their first 28 months in office:

Nixon ............ +74%
Eisenhower ... +48%
Bush ............. +45%
Ford .............. +42%
Reagan ......... +35%
GHW Bush ..... +28%
Obama .......... +17%
Kennedy ........ -11%
Clinton ........... -23%
Carter ............ -25%
Johnson ......... -33%


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

0bama record, 14.7 officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment, Declining labor force, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
 
Can someone please kick Conservative? He seems to be stuck again.
 
Tanked? That's an odd description for a year which produced 4.1% GDP growth. That was more growth than we had during any one of George Bush's years in office. I suppose by your description, it's reasonable to say Bush's 8 years tanked.

We also had increased revenues in 2000. Still the the burst of dotcom bubble happened in 2000.

I would like to see your source because what I am looking at shows that GDP increase were higher in two of other years of Bush's term.
 
0bama record, 14.7 officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment, Declining labor force, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
Would you please prove we don't have a revenue problem? You started this thread.
 
Would you please prove we don't have a revenue problem? You started this thread.

Pretty simple, spending causes debt and always will. It causes debt in your household just like it causes debt at the Federal Level. The budget of the U.S. was 3 trillion in 2008 and it is 3.7 trillion dollars in 2010. Spending went up 700 billion dollars. There is enough revenue to come close to funding the 3 trillion dollar budgets. The point I was making is that the Federal Revenue grew AFTER tax cuts and growing revenue never causes debt.
 
Here is the deal, you have failed to show that I have made any errors while I have corrected you numerous times. You might as well quit with the bluff and bluster as I will only rub your nose in it later.

You have failed to understand the relationship between short term interest rates and excess reserves. In doing so, you will not be able to understand the zero-interest-rate environment.

This is nothing but a strawman and completely irrelevant to anything I said. I did not state that interest rates have no impact on reserves. You claimed reserves were irrelevant without interest rates.

Nope! I said that reserve requirements were irrelevant in a zero-interest-rate environment. Because you lack a financial understanding, i am not the least bit surprised!!!

I showed they were not irrelevant and I corrected you, again, by pointing out that I had not advocated zero interest rates.

If you seriously believe that by advocating the opposite of a zero interest rate environment you have refuted anything that i said, you are completely out of tune with reality. As the Fed funds rate approaches zero, excess reserves will increase in an exponential fashion. If this does occur, excess reserves > required reserves (far greater) which is an alternate measure of the Fed funds overnight rate.

Which is why you fail. There is no understanding of monetary policy on your behalf.

To aid you in your irrelevant lesson plan, though, the Federal Reserve need not use open market operations to increase reserves. They can simply increase the reserve requirment.

Which further illustrates your ignorance! If you raise reserve requirements, you necessarily increase the Fed funds target rate because banks will be more hesitant to lend out any excess reserves in the Fed funds market.

Nonsense. A bank failure happens when the bank cannot meet depositor's demands. A bank run happens when a bank cannot meet depositor's demands. FDIC only ensures that depositor's have less reason to worry about the solvency of their bank. Which makes things worse, as it diminishes our collective aversion to risky behavior. However, the failure of both Northern Rock (UK) and IndyMac were accompanied by large withdrawals.

A bank failure occurs when they cannot borrow (in the short term market) to meet any-and-all short term liabilities.

A bank run occurs when a bank does not have the vault cash/reserves to meet the demands of depositors. There is a big difference. Your inability to understand it proves my point.

Therefore, you have zero business in this discussion.
 
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We also had increased revenues in 2000. Still the the burst of dotcom bubble happened in 2000.

I would like to see your source because what I am looking at shows that GDP increase were higher in two of other years of Bush's term.
Bureau of Economic Analysis

2000: 4.1
2001: 1.1
2002: 1.8
2003: 2.5
2004: 3.6
2005: 3.1
2006: 2.7
2007: 1.9
2008: 0.0
2009: -2.6
2010: 2.9

http://www.bea.gov/national/xls/gdpchg.xls
 
You have failed to understand the relationship between short term interest rates and excess reserves. In doing so, you will not be able to understand the zero-interest-rate environment.

Nope. I fully understand how the Fed uses open market operations to influence reserves. It has nothing to do with anything I said. Let's go to the record.

I said...
Not really. We could require higher fractional reserves and the lender of last resort is more effective in keeping a bank solvent.

You said...
This is essentially the caveman nonsense the Bank of China employes with their policy. Required reserves are irrelevant in a zero interest rate environment.

Again, since you don't seem to understand what the Fed does, open market operations are not the only means of increasing reserves. The Fed can simply increase the reserve requirement. That's what I said to start with. Are you denying that the Fed has the power to increase reserve requirements?


Nope! I said that reserve requirements were irrelevant in a zero-interest-rate environment. Because you lack a financial understanding, i am not the least bit surprised!!!

Already, went over this one. Nobody said a GD thing about zero interest environment. That's just your dishonest strawman.

If you seriously believe that by advocating the opposite of a zero interest rate environment you have refuted anything that i said, you are completely out of tune with reality. As the Fed funds rate approaches zero, excess reserves will increase in an exponential fashion. If this does occur, excess reserves > required reserves (far greater) which is an alternate measure of the Fed funds overnight rate.

First I am advocating a zero interest rate environment now I am advocating the opposite? I still have said nothing about interest rates, other than to acknowledge their use in open market operations.

Which is why you fail. There is no understanding of monetary policy on your behalf.

I understand it fine and no amount of dishonesty on your part is going to change that. You can spin all you want dude, but you are arguing a strawman.

Which further illustrates your ignorance! If you raise reserve requirements, you necessarily increase the Fed funds target rate because banks will be more hesitant to lend out any excess reserves in the Fed funds market.

Uhhh, so what! This was never about interest rates.

A bank failure occurs when they cannot borrow (in the short term market) to meet any-and-all short term liabilities.

A bank run occurs when a bank does not have the vault cash/reserves to meet the demands of depositors. There is a big difference. Your inability to understand it proves my point.

Therefore, you have zero business in this discussion.

So you, finally, return to the debate, but don't actually add anything. If you want to pretend the bank failures you listed are significantly different than a bank failure due to a run on the bank, be my guest. There is virtually no difference at all.

Banks fail because they do not have the reserves, whether they borrow it or not, to meet depositor's demands. It does not matter if it is because their depositor's finally wake up to their insolvency, the FDIC does or the bank finally admits it.
 
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