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It amuses me that the two people who know NewOrleans better than anyone else as far as government goes want to blame everyone else but themselves.


The mayor should have shut the city down and told every everyone to get the **** out,requested help to get the people out,perhaps he should have also had the buses moved to safety so that they can be used to move people to safety.

The Governor should have mobilized national guard from the start,sent in additional help and requested help from outsite sources.

I think mostly what is to blame is that these people year after year see hurricanes come and go and therefore are convinced that they are immune from natural disasters or that somehow they will not get hit as hard.

I think it is utter rubbish to for the governor of Louisiana and the mayor of new Orleans to sit there and blame everyone else but themselves for this situation.The deal with the levy is nothing new,nor is the fact that the city is below sea level and turn into a lake during a really bad storm anything new.
 

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jamesrage said:
It amuses me that the two people who know NewOrleans better than anyone else as far as government goes want to blame everyone else but themselves.


The mayor should have shut the city down and told every everyone to get the **** out,requested help to get the people out,perhaps he should have also had the buses moved to safety so that they can be used to move people to safety.

The Governor should have mobilized national guard from the start,sent in additional help and requested help from outsite sources.

I think mostly what is to blame is that these people year after year see hurricanes come and go and therefore are convinced that they are immune from natural disasters or that somehow they will not get hit as hard.

I think it is utter rubbish to for the governor of Louisiana and the mayor of new Orleans to sit there and blame everyone else but themselves for this situation.The deal with the levy is nothing new,nor is the fact that the city is below sea level and turn into a lake during a really bad storm anything new.
You are right, of course. And it's not that they didn't have the knowledge of all the hurricanes that have devastated our coasts in the past 40 years.

Some excerpts from Bob Williams, Wall Street Journal:

"It isn't fair to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin."

"The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center."

But don't tell that to the anti-Bush sharks in their feeding frenzy.

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"The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved."

"A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected."

"Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation."

"Instead of evacuating the people, the mayor ordered the refugees to the Superdome and Convention Center without adequate security and no provisions for food, water and sanitary conditions. As a result people died, and there was even rape committed, in these facilities. Mayor Nagin failed in his responsibility to provide public safety and to manage the orderly evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans. Now he wants to blame Gov. Blanco and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In an emergency the first requirement is for the city's emergency center to be linked to the state emergency operations center. This was not done."

"The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid."

"In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. It is likely that thousands of people died because of the failure of Gov. Blanco to implement the state plan, which mentions the possible need to evacuate up to one million people. The plan clearly gives the governor the authority for declaring an emergency, sending in state resources to the disaster area and requesting necessary federal assistance."
 

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Do you really think the left will let facts and realities stand in their way? Thier pyscotic need to blame Bush for EVERYTHING that EVER occours is so irrational that nothing you post will change thier postition they are so dug in and in such a need to pin it on him.
 

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Im not fan of bush, or his administration... but he didnt make a hurricane.. and he didnt make those people stay....

knowing a disaster is imminent or possible is one thing, spending millions of dollars and raising our taxes to fix it, is harder to do... The american people will whine about spending their money to do something such as that, then turn around and whine when a catastrophe happens...

personally people should spend all their energy pointing fingers, and take it down to new orleans and help....
 

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Stinger said:
Do you really think the left will let facts and realities stand in their way? Thier pyscotic need to blame Bush for EVERYTHING that EVER occours is so irrational that nothing you post will change thier postition they are so dug in and in such a need to pin it on him.
You are sooooo right.

Bush is supposed to have an implant in his brain that records the weaknesses and calculates probabilities of major natural disasters that can befall every neighborhhod, village, town and city in this country. He must also convince Congress to appropriate the funds to make sure every community is well prepared.

Just one question: Then why do we need Governors, Senators, Congressmen, Mayors, Concilmen, etc....?
 

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Anyone watching TV in recent days will have seen plenty of "re-primitivised man", not in Liberia or Somalia but in Louisiana. New Orleans cops joining in the looting at Wal-Mart, gangs firing on a children's hospital and on rescue helicopters, hurricane victims being raped in the New Orleans convention centre. If you're minded, as many of the world's anti-Americans are, to regard the United States as a depraved swamp, it was a grand old week: Mother Nature delivered the swamp, but plenty of natives supplied the depravity.

Not all of them, of course. But it doesn't really matter if it's only 5 per cent or 2 per cent or 0.01 per cent if everybody else is giving them free rein. Not exactly the most impressive law enforcement agency even on a good day, the New Orleans Police Department sent along some 80 officers to rescue the rape victims trapped in the centre, but were beaten back by the mob.

Meanwhile, the ever more pitiful governor was, unlike many of her fellow Louisianans, safe on dry land but still floundering way out of her depth, unable to stand up to the lawlessness even rhetorically or to communicate anything other than emotive impotence. With most disasters, it's a good rule to let the rescue teams do their work and leave the sniping till folks are safe. But in New Orleans this last week, the emergency work has been seriously hampered by actual literal sniping.

The authorities lost control of the streets. Which one of Tom Ridge's homeland security colour codes does that fall under? After 9/11, many people who should have known better argued that it was somehow a vindication of government.

"One of the things that's changed so much since September 11th," agreed vice-president Cheney, "is the extent to which people do trust the government - big shift - and value it, and have high expectations for what we can do." Hard to see why he'd say that. 9/11 was an appalling comprehensive failure of just about every relevant federal agency. The only government that worked that day was local and state: the great defining image, redeeming American honour at a moment of national humiliation, is of those brave New York firemen pounding up the stairs of the World Trade Center.

What consolations can be drawn from the lop-sided tango between slapdash bureaucrats and sub-human predators in New Orleans? To be fair, next door, Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi has been the Giuliani of the hour, and there are many tales of great courage, like the teams from the children's hospital of Alabama who've been helicoptering in to New Orleans to rescue newborn babies.

The comparison with September 11th isn't exact, but it's fair to this extent: Katrina was the biggest disaster on American soil since that day provoked the total overhaul of the system and the devotion of billions of dollars and the finest minds in the nation to the prioritising of homeland security. It was, thus, the first major test of the post-9/11 structures.

Happy with the results? Muhammad Yousef Al-Mlaifi, director of the Kuwaiti ministry of endowment (and no, I've no idea what that means, though feel free to do your own jokes), wrote a hurricane essay arguing the novel line that The Terrorist Katrina Is A Soldier Of Allah.

You could sort of see his point. Imagine if al-Qaeda were less boneheaded and had troubled themselves to learn a bit more about the Great Satan's weak spots. Imagine if they'd decided to blow up a couple of levees and flood a great American city.

Would local and state government have responded any more effectively than they did last week? After all, Katrina, unlike Osama, let 'em know she was coming. The nation's taxpayers will be asked to rebuild New Orleans. The rationale for doing so is that it is a great city of national significance. Fine. But, if it's of national significance, what have all the homeland security task forces been doing these last four years? Why is the defence of the city still left to a system of levees each with its own individual administrative regime?

If it's of national significance, why did the porkmeisters of the national legislature and national executive branch slash a request by the Army Corps of Engineers for $105 million for additional flood-protection measures there down to just over $40 million, at the same time they approved a $230 million bridge to an uninhabited Alaskan island?

Given that the transport infrastructure's already in place, maybe it makes more sense to rebuild New Orleans in Alaska.

In 2001, one thing that became clear two or three months after "the day that everything changed" is that nothing changed - that huge swathes of the political culture in America remain committed to a bargain that stiffs the people at every level, a system of lavish funding of pseudo-action. You could have done as the anti-war left want and reallocated every dollar spent in Iraq to Louisiana.

Or you could have done as some of the rest of us want and reallocated every buck spent on the laughably misnamed "farm bill" subsidising Ted Turner's hobby-farming activities.

But, in either case, I'll bet Louisiana's kleptocrat public service would have pocketed the dough and carried on as usual - and, come the big day, the state would still have flopped out and New Orleans's foul-mouthed mayor would still be ranting about why it was all everybody's else fault.

Those levees broke: they failed. And you think about Chicago and San Francisco and Boston and you wonder what's waiting to fail there. The assumption was that after 9/11 big towns and small took stock and identified their weak points. That's what they told us they were doing, and that's what they were getting big bucks to do.

But in New Orleans no one had a plan that addressed levee failure, and no one had a plan for the large percentage of vehicle-less citizens who'd be unable to evacuate, and no one had a plan to deal with widespread looting. Given that all these local factors are widely known - New Orleans is a city below sea level with high crime and a low rate of automobile ownership - it makes you wonder how the city would cope with something truly surprising - like, say, a biological attack.

Oh, well, maybe the 9/11 commission can rename itself the Katrina Kommission. Back in the real world, America's enemies will draw many useful lessons from the events of this last week. Will America?
 

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Parmenion,

That was a wonderful article...

Please supply the source next time.:doh

Trying to take credit for someone else's commentary?:liar

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I am delighted that you have pointed that any use of Sustainable Developments must be given due credit. I must remind myself as an owner of Sustainabledevelopments.ie to respect the rules that I would expect anyone else to adhere to.

Thank you very much for your comment. My wrists are duly slapped ;)
 

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Do you really think the left will let facts and realities stand in their way? Thier pyscotic need to blame Bush for EVERYTHING that EVER occours is so irrational that nothing you post will change thier postition they are so dug in and in such a need to pin it on him.
Call me optimistic but I think the left can find more plausible things to blame on Bush than the incompetence of mayors and Governors past and present.
 

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>>If it's of national significance, why did the porkmeisters of the national legislature and national executive branch slash a request by the Army Corps of Engineers for $105 million for additional flood-protection measures there down to just over $40 million, at the same time they approved a $230 million bridge to an uninhabited Alaskan island?<<

LA recieved more money than any other state for just such projects and year after year the congresionall delgations and local politicians lobby for and diverted those funds to other projects. Almost $2 billion a year spent on flood control according to numerous news sources. And guess what the levies held, according to the WSJ and FOX news reporting we now have witnesses to the fact that a barge broke loose and broke the sea wall on top of the levie. Yes there were two waves which came over two levies, but that could have been handled by the pumps. It now appears that all the finger pointing about spending is moot. It was a barge.

>>But in New Orleans no one had a plan that addressed levee failure, and no one had a plan for the large percentage of vehicle-less citizens who'd be unable to evacuate, and no one had a plan to deal with widespread looting. Given that all these local factors are widely known - New Orleans is a city below sea level with high crime and a low rate of automobile ownership - it makes you wonder how the city would cope with something truly surprising - like, say, a biological attack.<<

Actually they did, they just did not impliment it. And if you will watch all the news reports showing what is left it is amazing how many cars are sitting there flooded out.

OK let's say that 3 months ago the President and the chief of Homeland security had called up Blanco and Nagin and told them that they had solid evidence that terrorist had planted a nuclear bomb in New Orleans, it had a tigger set to go off in 72 hours. They said the hope of finding it was nil and the confidence that this was true is high. I bet they could have gotten the people out. I bet more than half of those who stayed would have done so on their own and I bet those school buses would have been used and that Amtrak would not have been turned down.

The fact is the local authorities did not act quickly enough, they did not take the warning seriously enough. THAT is what crated what came afterwards. Although the city was spared the hurricane it is what came afterwards.
 

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I will believe that barge story when a news outlet a little more credible that Fox News reports it. How many times did Fox News come out with reports that Weapons of Mass Destruction had been found?
 

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Oh and another example of this administrations incompetence:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Chertoff Delayed Federal Response, Memo Shows [/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Jonathan S. Landay, Alison Young and Shannon McCaffrey[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] WASHINGTON - The federal official with the power to mobilize a massive federal response to Hurricane Katrina was Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, not the former FEMA chief who was relieved of his duties and resigned earlier this week, federal documents reviewed by Knight Ridder show. [/FONT]
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Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff speaks about rescue efforts for victims of Hurricane Katrina, on September 4. (ALLISON LONG, Kansas City Str)
[/FONT] Even before the storm struck the Gulf Coast, Chertoff could have ordered federal agencies into action without any request from state or local officials. Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown had only limited authority to do so until about 36 hours after the storm hit, when Chertoff designated him as the "principal federal official" in charge of the storm.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] As thousands of hurricane victims went without food, water and shelter in the days after Katrina's early morning Aug. 29 landfall, critics assailed Brown for being responsible for delays that might have cost hundreds of lives. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] But Chertoff - not Brown - was in charge of managing the national response to a catastrophic disaster, according to the National Response Plan, the federal government's blueprint for how agencies will handle major natural disasters or terrorist incidents. An order issued by President Bush in 2003 also assigned that responsibility to the homeland security director. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] But according to a memo obtained by Knight Ridder, Chertoff didn't shift that power to Brown until late afternoon or evening on Aug. 30, about 36 hours after Katrina hit Louisiana and Mississippi. That same memo suggests that Chertoff may have been confused about his lead role in disaster response and that of his department. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] "As you know, the President has established the `White House Task Force on Hurricane Katrina Response.' He will meet with us tomorrow to launch this effort. The Department of Homeland Security, along with other Departments, will be part of the task force and will assist the Administration with its response to Hurricane Katrina," Chertoff said in the memo to the secretaries of defense, health and human services and other key federal agencies. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] On the day that Chertoff wrote the memo, Bush was in San Diego presiding over a ceremony marking the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Chertoff's Aug. 30 memo for the first time declared Katrina an "Incident of National Significance," a key designation that triggers swift federal coordination. The following afternoon, Bush met with his Cabinet, then appeared before TV cameras in the White House Rose Garden to announce the government's planned action. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] That same day, Aug. 31, the Department of Defense, whose troops and equipment are crucial in such large disasters, activated its Task Force Katrina. But active-duty troops didn't begin to arrive in large numbers along the Gulf Coast until Saturday. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] White House and homeland security officials wouldn't explain why Chertoff waited some 36 hours to declare Katrina an incident of national significance and why he didn't immediately begin to direct the federal response from the moment on Aug. 27 when the National Hurricane Center predicted that Katrina would strike the Gulf Coast with catastrophic force in 48 hours. Nor would they explain why Bush felt the need to appoint a separate task force. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Chertoff's hesitation and Bush's creation of a task force both appear to contradict the National Response Plan and previous presidential directives that specify what the secretary of homeland security is assigned to do without further presidential orders. The goal of the National Response Plan is to provide a streamlined framework for swiftly delivering federal assistance when a disaster - caused by terrorists or Mother Nature - is too big for local officials to handle. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Dana Perino, a White House spokeswoman, referred most inquiries about the memo and Chertoff's actions to the Department of Homeland Security. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] "There will be an after-action report" on the government's response to Hurricane Katrina, Perino said. She added that "Chertoff had the authority to invoke the Incident of National Significance, and he did it on Tuesday." [/FONT]
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Of course, the Bush Administration did nothing wrong at all.
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Oh and another example of this administrations incompetence:
Chertoff Delayed Federal Response, Memo Shows
by Jonathan S. Landay, Alison Young and Shannon McCaffrey
WASHINGTON - The federal official with the power to mobilize a massive federal response to Hurricane Katrina was Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, not the former FEMA chief who was relieved of his duties and resigned earlier this week, federal documents reviewed by Knight Ridder show....
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Stinger said:
Do you really think the left will let facts and realities stand in their way? Thier pyscotic need to blame Bush for EVERYTHING that EVER occours is so irrational that nothing you post will change thier postition they are so dug in and in such a need to pin it on him.

That's because the Democratic Party and their constituants have been taking a beating at the polls since the mid Clinton years. They are out of ideas and nothing is sacred.
 

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I am delighted that you have pointed that any use of Sustainable Developments must be given due credit. I must remind myself as an owner of Sustainabledevelopments.ie to respect the rules that I would expect anyone else to adhere to.

Thank you very much for your comment. My wrists are duly slapped ;)
LOL

*** kissing followed by a cheap ad. Weak dude. Very weak.
 

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One question for you guy who think that the left is only attacking Bush:

Do you think that Bush or his administration were at all lacking in their rescue and/or recovery efforts?

If you answer "yes" to that, then why is it not reasonable for someone to be mad only at the response from the federal level?

I do not live in New Orleans, nor Louisiana. So... why should I be upset with their mayor or governor? I didn't vote them into office. They're not accountable to me. Only Bush is. Bush didn't provide the type of backup that the federal government is expected to provide. It doesn't matter if the mayor and the governor were telling everybody that it was just going to be a tropical storm and that everyone should go to the beach to watch the storm come. Bush should be there to inform people of what was coming and provide adequate rescue and recovery efforts.

Bush and the federal government are the safety net in disasters like this.

The mayor and the governor fell and Bush wasn't there to save them... and thus, hundreds of people died.

I expect my federal government to have their **** together more so than some governor or a city mayor. As such, they have a more stringent grading criteria. They failed.

About every intelligent Democrat that I know realize that the governor and mayor didn't have their **** together and instead just *****ed to the feds. We've already conceded that point. But hey, they're small time. They're allowed to fail as the federal government is, or until this happened at least, was expected to be there if they couldn't.
 

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One question for you guy who think that the left is only attacking Bush:

Do you think that Bush or his administration were at all lacking in their rescue and/or recovery efforts?

If you answer "yes" to that, then why is it not reasonable for someone to be mad only at the response from the federal level?

I do not live in New Orleans, nor Louisiana. So... why should I be upset with their mayor or governor? I didn't vote them into office. They're not accountable to me. Only Bush is. Bush didn't provide the type of backup that the federal government is expected to provide. It doesn't matter if the mayor and the governor were telling everybody that it was just going to be a tropical storm and that everyone should go to the beach to watch the storm come. Bush should be there to inform people of what was coming and provide adequate rescue and recovery efforts.

Bush and the federal government are the safety net in disasters like this.

The mayor and the governor fell and Bush wasn't there to save them... and thus, hundreds of people died.

I expect my federal government to have their **** together more so than some governor or a city mayor. As such, they have a more stringent grading criteria. They failed.

About every intelligent Democrat that I know realize that the governor and mayor didn't have their **** together and instead just *****ed to the feds. We've already conceded that point. But hey, they're small time. They're allowed to fail as the federal government is, or until this happened at least, was expected to be there if they couldn't.
Was this directed to me?
 

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Was this directed to me?
Nope :)

It isn't directed to anyone in particular. I have just read a lot of people, typically conservatives, who feel that Bush is unfairly being blamed for everthing.
 

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Oh.. I happen to believe that he has been prone to leaving things to run on their own from time to time and this time it bit him in the ass, but people did unfairly tunnel vision their way to the President over this.

Many of the ignorant, emotional, panic stricken Americans and the blame frenzy media and politicians are looking more and more pathetic, because of how they were reacting.

President Bush accepted responsibility for the Feds.

Governor Blanco accepted blame for state coordination. (TV today)

Like I said before - On the Active military side, there was a Chain of Command and Control problem between us and FEMA and civilian agencies. I imagined it was like that at all levels and between all governments.
 

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So now what?

Bush accepted responsibility for the federal response. Now what?

He's the President. Yes, he's supposed to still be human, but this was a pretty big **** up.

So, what's his punishment?
As he probably won't have one since he's already in his second term, anger toward him is the only way the people can express their disatisfaction with how he handled it.

True, he's accepted the responsibility for it. And I respect him for it, but just because he said he's sorry doesn't mean that a punishment is not in order.
 

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IValueFreedom said:
So now what?

Bush accepted responsibility for the federal response. Now what?

He's the President. Yes, he's supposed to still be human, but this was a pretty big **** up.

So, what's his punishment?
As he probably won't have one since he's already in his second term, anger toward him is the only way the people can express their disatisfaction with how he handled it.

True, he's accepted the responsibility for it. And I respect him for it, but just because he said he's sorry doesn't mean that a punishment is not in order.
I slaped his hands this morning! There, everything is taken care of!

But seriously, come on!! What do you want him to do? Resign? (Do i hear an onslaught of yes's coming?) He accepted responsibility for it, which i am sure was very hard for him to do, that was punishment enough.
 

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you make it sound like demanding his resignation isn't a logical thing to do.

If a CEO of a Fortune 500 company came up short for the stockholders, do you think him saying sorry would make the stockholders happy? No.

He would have to defend himself for his job. It isn't that complicated.

Governments are servants of the people.
Heads of governments are servants of the people.
If you fail to perform your assigned duties as a government figure, there is no innate right for you to continue to possess your job.

No, I don't think that IF this was his one major mistake in his presidency, that he should be fired, but since in my opinion, he's running a horrible track record, yeah, I would be happy to see him resign from office.
 

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IValueFreedom said:
you make it sound like demanding his resignation isn't a logical thing to do.

If a CEO of a Fortune 500 company came up short for the stockholders, do you think him saying sorry would make the stockholders happy? No.

He would have to defend himself for his job. It isn't that complicated.

Governments are servants of the people.
Heads of governments are servants of the people.
If you fail to perform your assigned duties as a government figure, there is no innate right for you to continue to possess your job.

No, I don't think that IF this was his one major mistake in his presidency, that he should be fired, but since in my opinion, he's running a horrible track record, yeah, I would be happy to see him resign from office.
He's the President of the United States. His job is to recognize the errors in government and fix them. Not quit after a mistake. This position demands consistency, not a revolving door of replacements.
 
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