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Washington Post: Trump called top military brass in 2017 a 'bunch of dopes and babies'

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Washington Post: Trump called top military brass in 2017 a 'bunch of dopes and babies' - CNNPolitics

Washington Post: Trump called top military brass in 2017 a 'bunch of dopes and babies'
Washington (CNN) — President Donald Trump reprimanded his top military brass in a 2017 meeting at the Pentagon, calling them a "bunch of dopes and babies" and telling them "you're all losers," according to a forthcoming book by two Washington Post reporters.

The heated July 20, 2017 meeting has been previously reported -- including then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's response to fellow US officials, in which he said the President was a "f---ing moron." However, "A Very Stable Genius" by Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker reveals more extraordinary details about the meeting, including the President's barrage of insults against his top military leadership.

Tillerson, then-Secretary of Defense James Mattis and then-Director of the National Economic Council Gary Cohn hoped at the meeting to explain to the President about the importance of America's key alliances for national security. They were concerned that Trump's proposals were a threat to America's standing in the world, the Post reported.

Using lots of visual aids in an attempt to hold Trump's interest, the three men briefed the President on US deployments, bases and embassies around the world, and the value of trade agreements in boosting America's national security, the Post reported.

But during the briefing, at which the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other top military leaders were present, Trump demanded an explanation as to why the US hasn't won in Afghanistan, calling it a "loser war," according to an excerpt adapted from the book and published in The Washington Post Friday. He frequently interrupted the briefing to object to US policies, like the Iran nuclear deal and the NATO alliance, the Post reported.

"You're all losers. You don't know how to win anymore," the commander-in-chief told the meeting attendees, according to the Post's quote of the book.

From there, the President's tirade continued, with Trump telling the military officials: "I wouldn't go to war with you people."

"You're a bunch of dopes and babies," he told the room, according to the Post's excerpt.

The book claimed that those who were in the room were shocked and stunned by the President's remarks, some considered leaving the meeting, and one worried, "What would our worst adversaries think if they knew he said this?"

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Tillerson, however, spoke up: "Mr. President, you're totally wrong. None of that is true."

According to the Post's excerpt, after the meeting ended and Trump left, Tillerson told a group of confidantes, "He's a f---ing moron," a now-infamous comment first reported in 2017 by NBC News.

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Tillerson was fired in March 2018. Mattis resigned in December 2018 on the heels of Trump's plans to withdraw troops from Syria. In his resignation letter, Mattis said the President deserved a defense chief more closely aligned with his "America First" views, and he touted the importance of US alliances. Cohn resigned in March 2018 after a disagreement with Trump over steel and aluminum tariffs.



Of course, Trump now says we have the best military in the world. You have to wonder if this wasn't one of the tactics he uses to make it look like he is responsible for making the military look great again? First, you say their a bunch of babies, then after you've been around for awhile you take credit for making them "great". Either way, Tillerson had it right when he said the President is a "f---ing moron."
 
Washington Post: Trump called top military brass in 2017 a 'bunch of dopes and babies' - CNNPolitics





Of course, Trump now says we have the best military in the world. You have to wonder if this wasn't one of the tactics he uses to make it look like he is responsible for making the military look great again? First, you say their a bunch of babies, then after you've been around for awhile you take credit for making them "great". Either way, Tillerson had it right when he said the President is a "f---ing moron."

Can't wait to see our "patriots" blast the military in defense of Trump. :lol:

Also, just another Trump projection.
 
Another example of the typical and persistent abuse of the US military by Donald Trump.
 
Like a radical leftist.
 
Trump appointed Bannon to the seat on the National Security Council that is the (ostensibly) permanent seat of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. CJCS at the time was Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford a former Commandant of the Marine Corps who got unceremoniously dumped by Trump from the Council's Principal's Committee.

Trump never liked the quiet and low key executive style of Dunford who retired in September after the 4 years max as CJCS and after 42 years in the Corps.

Indeed, in 2015 Dunford had presented Trump with the Commandant's Leadership Award at a gala dinner in New York sponsored by the Marine Corps Foundation that gave Trump its Semper Fidelis Award. Trump said at the time he'd asked Dunford about Trump's interest in running for president and that Dunford had given Trump a lot of information about being commander in chief.


Bannon Is Given Security Role Usually Held for Generals

Jan. 29, 2017

But the defining moment for Mr. Bannon came Saturday night in the form of an executive order giving the rumpled right-wing agitator a full seat on the “principals committee” of the National Security Council — while downgrading the roles of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the director of national intelligence, who will now attend only when the council is considering issues in their direct areas of responsibilities. It is a startling elevation of a political adviser, to a status alongside the secretaries of state and defense, and over the president’s top military and intelligence advisers.

In theory, the move put Mr. Bannon, a former Navy surface warfare officer, admiral’s aide, investment banker, Hollywood producer and Breitbart News firebrand, on the same level as his friend, Michael T. Flynn, the national security adviser, a former Pentagon intelligence chief who was Mr. Trump’s top adviser on national security issues before a series of missteps reduced his influence.


Bannon Is Given Security Role Usually Held for Generals - The New York Times


When Dunford retired last year he said he would make no comments about Trump and public affairs. Dunford was succeeded as CJCS by Army Gen. Mark A. Milley who is former Army chief of staff and whom Trump enthusiastically calls "the bomb thrower in the White House." Trump had Milley attend WH meetings often instead of Dunford.




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U.S. Marine Corps Gen. Joseph F. Dunford, Jr. and with Donald Trump presents the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation awards during the 20th Annual Semper Fidelis Gala dinner April 22, 2015 in New York City. Trump was a recipient of the Commandant's Leadership award at the event. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Sgt. Gabriela Garcia)
 
Can you be impeached for knowing nothing about anything and caring less?

Trump Melted Down at a Meeting With Military Leaders and Called Them Dopes, Babies, and Losers

Can you be impeached for knowing nothing about anything and caring less?

By Jack HolmesJan 17, 2020
President Trump Announces Guidance On Constitutional Prayer In Public Schools

While even his most prodigious spokespeople teeter under Fox News questioning (!) about his relationship to Rudy Giuliani's Ukraine henchman Lev Parnas, it's worth considering that the scheme that led to the president's impeachment is just one of his various foibles. He could have been impeached, after all, for relentlessly obstructing justice in the Mueller probe. He could have been impeached for his blatant public corruption, which has reached the point where people have started renting large blocs of rooms in his hotels and not even bothering to stay in many of them. Gee, I wonder what they're getting out of it. Oh, and can you be impeached for knowing nothing about anything and caring less?

Trump Calls Top Military Leaders Dopes, Babies, and Losers in Outburst
 
This is the punk that Sean and Rush brought us.
 
As a guy who leans to the right on many issues, I support our military. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that I trust them. Just look at what happened in Viet Nam. We as a country were lied to constantly.

Talk to a former member of the military. The military has built up a very top-down approach to issues - this generates a very political environment. Lots of bad stuff happens in the military.

EX. When we were in Lebanon, there were pic after pic of guys with unloaded rifles on duty. Then the Marine Barracks bombing happened.

EX. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, there were top-ranking generals that thought we should do a nuclear first strike against the Soviet Union.

EX. During Viet Nam we sent our guys in with an untested rifle that was prone to jamming - the M16. Their other rifle was the M60 squad auto, another poorly designed weapon that jammed often.

EX. During Viet Nam we would take a guy with 3 months training and make him a lieutenant who led combat troops. They called him a "shake and bake".
 
...............Their ............ M60 ..........., another poorly designed weapon that jammed often...........

Just for fun:

[video]https://www.military.com/video/guns/machine-guns/m-60-evaluation/661784605001[/video]
 
As a guy who leans to the right on many issues, I support our military. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that I trust them. Just look at what happened in Viet Nam. We as a country were lied to constantly.

Talk to a former member of the military. The military has built up a very top-down approach to issues - this generates a very political environment. Lots of bad stuff happens in the military.

EX. When we were in Lebanon, there were pic after pic of guys with unloaded rifles on duty. Then the Marine Barracks bombing happened.

EX. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, there were top-ranking generals that thought we should do a nuclear first strike against the Soviet Union.

EX. During Viet Nam we sent our guys in with an untested rifle that was prone to jamming - the M16. Their other rifle was the M60 squad auto, another poorly designed weapon that jammed often.

EX. During Viet Nam we would take a guy with 3 months training and make him a lieutenant who led combat troops. They called him a "shake and bake".

As to your last half baked offering, there was an instant nco mill during the Vietnam War too.


The Shake 'n Bake Sergeant...


"The demand for experienced NCO‟s in Vietnam exceeded the supply. In Vietnam the Army was trying to meet these shortages by making a two-grade substitution of personnel. This means the platoon leader in combat is forced to pick the brightest PFC he can find, declare him the sergeant, and entrust the lives of a dozen men to his care."

http://www.company-c--2nd-bn--506th-inf.com/Shake&Bake_Article.pdf


There are two sides to every coin.
 
"The demand for experienced NCO‟s in Vietnam exceeded the supply. In Vietnam the Army was trying to meet these shortages by making a two-grade substitution of personnel. This means the platoon leader in combat is forced to pick the brightest PFC he can find, declare him the sergeant, and entrust the lives of a dozen men to his care."

Not that this makes much difference but it would have been a rare squad that had a dozen men in it.
 
Not that this makes much difference but it would have been a rare squad that had a dozen men in it.

Promotions during wartime happen like when it rains it pours.

Look at Joe Dunford who I mentioned in scrolling. He got nominated for his 3rd star before he got his 2nd star pinned onto his epaulettes. Trump needled him about it characteristically at Dunford's retirement last year, "How do you do that, Joe?"

When I was in 1966-70 Army officer promotion policy for lieutenants was that the 2LT got promoted to 1LT one year to the date of being commissioned. Then exactly one year to the date later got promoted to Captain. Ready or not lieutenant here came your annual promotion. Army needed captains to command companies in the Nam and stateside so the 2LT got put on an assembly line where a lot of parts didn't get put before you reached the end of it.
 
Just for fun:

[video]https://www.military.com/video/guns/machine-guns/m-60-evaluation/661784605001[/video]

That is impressive. Certainly much better than the M60 I carried in Nam.
 
As a guy who leans to the right on many issues, I support our military. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that I trust them...

This will be the tactic that "pro military" republicans use to continue to support Donald Trump.
 
This will be the tactic that "pro military" republicans use to continue to support Donald Trump.

I'll finish your thought by saying, "...against the military."

The armed forces chiefs and commanders first and foremost, across all the services both in the homeland and across the globe.

To the Putin-Trump Rowers everything in the Constitution is their enemy.
 
It is unconscionable that Mattis and Kelly have nothing to say.
 
Trump likes soldiers who kill civilians.
 
Trump likes soldiers who kill civilians.

Unarmed civilians at the southern border in particular.

Abroad it's any civilian armed or unarmed Trump decides is in the family of a bad guy.

Kelly is btw a follower of Mattis so I expect zero from Kelly independently. Kelley's only value is that in his retirement he'll do the same as he did on active duty, ie, take orders from Mattis. As for Mattis, things need to get a lot worse for him to say or do anything. It's small comfort I know that the worse Trump makes things the worse he gets and that the worst is yet to come.
 
Washington Post: Trump called top military brass in 2017 a 'bunch of dopes and babies' - CNNPolitics





Of course, Trump now says we have the best military in the world. You have to wonder if this wasn't one of the tactics he uses to make it look like he is responsible for making the military look great again? First, you say their a bunch of babies, then after you've been around for awhile you take credit for making them "great". Either way, Tillerson had it right when he said the President is a "f---ing moron."

Trump has attacked and insulted the CIA, NEA, FBI, and Military for 3 Years, how he is still breathing is a mystery, he should go after the SS next.....we will see how lucky he is then.
 
Washington Post: Trump called top military brass in 2017 a 'bunch of dopes and babies' - CNNPolitics





Of course, Trump now says we have the best military in the world. You have to wonder if this wasn't one of the tactics he uses to make it look like he is responsible for making the military look great again? First, you say their a bunch of babies, then after you've been around for awhile you take credit for making them "great". Either way, Tillerson had it right when he said the President is a "f---ing moron."

Then, someone goes public with those alledged comments. Who's making our armed forces look bad?
 
Wow, another CNN report with unnamed sources that bashes Trump. Who'd a thunk it?
 
As a guy who leans to the right on many issues, I support our military. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that I trust them. Just look at what happened in Viet Nam. We as a country were lied to constantly.
Talk to a former member of the military. The military has built up a very top-down approach to issues - this generates a very political environment. Lots of bad stuff happens in the military.

I'm also former military. You make a good point, especially regarding Vietnam. However, I'd say that has nothing to do with going into a meeting and trying to humiliate men and women who have dedicated their lives to the service. I imagine the majority of those in that room had served in a war zone or two. Or more.

The briefing that was described in the OP was not held in a vacuum. Per the Washington Post article, it followed an earlier briefing in the White House in which the military leaders were shocked at the lack of knowledge Trump displayed:

By that point, six months into his administration, Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, Director of the National Economic Council Gary Cohn, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson had grown alarmed by gaping holes in Trump’s knowledge of history, especially the key alliances forged following World War II. Trump had dismissed allies as worthless, cozied up to authoritarian regimes in Russia and elsewhere, and advocated withdrawing troops from strategic outposts and active theaters alike.

New book portrays Trump as erratic, ‘at times dangerously uninformed’

Trump organized his unorthodox worldview under the simplistic banner of “America First,” but Mattis, Tillerson, and Cohn feared his proposals were rash, barely considered, and a danger to America’s superpower standing. They also felt that many of Trump’s impulsive ideas stemmed from his lack of familiarity with U.S. history and, even, where countries were located. To have a useful discussion with him, the trio agreed, they had to create a basic knowledge, a shared language.

Thus the second briefing. But Trump doesn't like being told things. That's one of the reasons he's so ignorant and remains so ignorant.
The Tank meeting was a turning point in Trump’s presidency. Rather than getting him to appreciate America’s traditional role and alliances, Trump began to tune out and eventually push away the experts who believed their duty was to protect the country by restraining his more dangerous impulses.

So we have Donald Trump, entitled rich kid, draft dodger, inveterate liar, best friends with America's enemy, Vladimir Putin, unbelievably ignorant about the basics of US foreign policy as it relates to the military and not the least bit interested in learning about it. That's the guy calling these men and women "losers" and "dopes" and "babies." Wow.
 
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As to your last half baked offering, there was an instant nco mill during the Vietnam War too.
The Shake 'n Bake Sergeant...
There are two sides to every coin.

In WWII the second lieutenants went through three months of training and shipped out to the front lines. They were called "90-day wonders," by the troops, which was not meant in a complimentary way.
 
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