Washington is a fascist state

[Ikari]

Obviously you have a very twisted definition of "terrorism." Let me correct it for you:

Under 18 U.S. Code § 2331(5) domestic terrorism is defined as follows:


Illegally blocking traffic and violently attacking people are "acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State." Furthermore, the stated goal of BLM is "to intimidate or coerce a civilian population" and "to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

By federal definition the BLM is a domestic terrorist organization.

Under Public Law 107-40, which is still in effect, we are at war with terrorism. Congress has already authorized the use of force against terrorists.

So is running over protesters.

 

[X Factor]

You can't. That's why I said the police could remove them from the interstate and safely open it up. You cannot block a highway whenever you want. The police may intervene in such and instance. You maybe not, however, purposefully run over these folk because it pissed you off.

I would hope that reasonable people could agree with this.

I can agree with that if you can agree that blocking a freeway poses a danger to other drivers. If another vehicle had hit that van in a way that was a clear accident, would you still look for a way to absolve the protesters of any responsibility for their actions?

 

[Oborosen]

So is running over people.

So your only issue now, is proving that they ran someone over was in tune with the definition of terrorism and not just them fleeing for their lives.

 

[TobyOne]

CA isn't too far behind - but i do think there's a competition between seattle and portland to be the most ****ed up city in the country.

 

[Ikari]

I can agree with that if you can agree that blocking a freeway poses a danger to other drivers. If another vehicle had hit that van in a way that was a clear accident, would you still look for a way to absolve the protesters of any responsibility for their actions?

It certainly does pose a danger, and I don't endorse the act of closing down streets or interstates without proper permit. If another vehicle had hit the van that blocked the off-ramp, it would be the fault of the person who parked it there and further demonstration why you cannot just shut things down because you're pissed off.

The right to protest and assemble is very important, but you cannot do so in a way that endangers others. If you do, then the police may rightfully clear the protest. But one cannot take the law into their own hands and run down protesters because they're pissed about the protest.

 

[Glitch]

So is running over protesters.

They are terrorists, not protesters. That is your malfunction. You've completely lost your grip with reality.

 

[Ikari]

So your only issue now, is proving that they ran someone over was in tune with the definition of terrorism and not just them fleeing for their lives.

The driver accessed the interstate by going the wrong way up the off-ramp. If true, this is proof of intent.

 

[Oborosen]

I can agree with that if you can agree that blocking a freeway poses a danger to other drivers. If another vehicle had hit that van in a way that was a clear accident, would you still look for a way to absolve the protesters of any responsibility for their actions?

Something could also make the protestors culpable for anything that happened pertaining to someone being rear ended, or even if they stopped traffic and in turn. Ended up holding a ambulance, which kept either them from reaching their target on time, or did not allow them to get their patient to a hospital.

I'd like to see them held responsible for such things at the very least.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The driver accessed the interstate by going the wrong way up the off-ramp. If true, this is proof of intent.

It is only proof of the intent to enter a close roadway. Nothing beyond that.

 

[Ikari]

It is only proof of the intent to enter a close roadway. Nothing beyond that.

2 People Injured After Vehicle Careens Into Protesters In Seattle : NPR

Two people have been hospitalized, one with life-threatening injuries, after a vehicle barreled past a police barrier and into protesters on a freeway overnight in Seattle.

He blew by a police barrier to get to the protesters. Is someone who is innocently driving by without intent going to fly through a police barrier to get to the protesters?

lol

But keep defending vehicular murder.

There have been reports of at least 50 vehicle-ramming incidents since nationwide protests erupted in late May — many of which were suspected attacks by right-wing extremists targeting Black Lives Matter protesters.

We're seeing how some on the right are thinking at this moment.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

2 People Injured After Vehicle Careens Into Protesters In Seattle : NPR



He blew by a police barrier to get to the protesters. Is someone who is innocently driving by without intent going to fly through a police barrier to get to the protesters?

lol

But keep defending vehicular murder.



We're seeing how some on the right are thinking at this moment.

The driver in this instance is a black man. This was not a Black Lives Matter event, it was an anarchist event frequented by white people. The same social circle of white people who’ve gone down to black teenagers at the CHOP

The source you are using, is inflammatory language. He did not barrel past police barricade. He drove around the road close sign on and off ramps.

 

[Schism]

It's not self defense if you drive around barricades in order to access a road in order to run people down. That's premeditated murder.

You're making a rush to judgment.

There is no evidence to support your claim that this was the drivers intention. The investigation, the drivers statement, or video may confirm this at some point, but as of right now, we don't know. For all you know, the driver knew nothing about the protest and entered the closed freeway to play Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift.

 

[X Factor]

Something could also make the protestors culpable for anything that happened pertaining to someone being rear ended, or even if they stopped traffic and in turn. Ended up holding a ambulance, which kept either them from reaching their target on time, or did not allow them to get their patient to a hospital.

I'd like to see them held responsible for such things at the very least.

I understand totally but very few lefties will ever acknowledge any fault with these protesters. There was a police officer hit by a car when all this first started and very few, if any, defended that officer they way we see them defend this.

 

[Ikari]

The driver in this instance is a black man. This was not a Black Lives Matter event, it was an anarchist event frequented by white people. The same social circle of white people who’ve gone down to black teenagers at the CHOP

The source you are using, is inflammatory language. He did not barrel past police barricade. He drove around the road close sign on and off ramps.

This event needs to end, because it is not safe to protest on the interstate, nor is it OK to just shut it down.

However, you cannot just run these people over because of it. That's the end all be all. He flew by a police barricade to get to the protesters, and just because you don't like that fact, doesn't mean you can just ignore it.

There have been reports of at least 50 vehicle-ramming incidents since nationwide protests erupted in late May — many of which were suspected attacks by right-wing extremists targeting Black Lives Matter protesters.

"The message they're trying to send is, 'You need to get out of the street and stop these protests,' " Ari Weil, the terrorism researcher at the University of Chicago who compiled those statistics, told NPR last month. "They're trying to intimidate the most recent wave of BLM protesters to stop their movement."

 

[Oborosen]

The driver accessed the interstate by going the wrong way up the off-ramp. If true, this is proof of intent.

I've only seen a few other articles about the story and much of which is the same. No indication on if this person did so intentionally.

Though we can see that the protestors intended on stopping the vehicle, instead of letting it go through and then swarmed it in an attempt to get at the driver. This comes mostly on the heels of a now weeks long issue of people being pulled out of their vehicles, mainly truck drivers and being beaten horribly when these kinds of protestors get their hands on them.

Either way, this story is ripe to be politicized by both parties.

 

[Paradoxical]

I thought the 'fascist' state (what an idiotic term) moved CHOP out.

Wasn't that after two people were gunned down in cold blood and others seriously wounded? No call of condolences from the mayor until Hannity embarrassed her into it.

 

[Ikari]

You're making a rush to judgment.

There is no evidence to support your claim that this was the drivers intention. The investigation, the drivers statement, or video may confirm this at some point, but as of right now, we don't know. For all you know, the driver knew nothing about the protest and entered the closed freeway to play Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift.

2 People Injured After Vehicle Careens Into Protesters In Seattle : NPR

Two people have been hospitalized, one with life-threatening injuries, after a vehicle barreled past a police barrier and into protesters on a freeway overnight in Seattle.

...

Several graphic videos of the incident hit social media shortly afterward. In one, the sedan careens past a cluster of vehicles blocking its way, appearing to swerve back into the pair of victims. They're flung skyward off the car's hood before tumbling back down to the surface of Interstate 5.

it does seem that he had to drive past a police barricade to get where he was going.

 

[Irredentist]

I've only seen a few other articles about the story and much of which is the same. No indication on if this person did so intentionally.

Though we can see that the protestors intended on stopping the vehicle, instead of letting it go through and then swarmed it in an attempt to get at the driver. This comes mostly on the heels of a now weeks long issue of people being pulled out of their vehicles, mainly truck drivers and being beaten horribly when these kinds of protestors get their hands on them.

Either way, this story is ripe to be politicized by both parties.

A situation that could have been avoided by not driving toward the crowd in the first place...

 

[Oborosen]

This event needs to end, because it is not safe to protest on the interstate, nor is it OK to just shut it down.

There have been reports of at least 50 vehicle-ramming incidents since nationwide protests erupted in late May — many of which were suspected attacks by right-wing extremists targeting Black Lives Matter protesters.

"The message they're trying to send is, 'You need to get out of the street and stop these protests,' " Ari Weil, the terrorism researcher at the University of Chicago who compiled those statistics, told NPR last month. "They're trying to intimidate the most recent wave of BLM protesters to stop their movement." .

I would really like to see these incidents that are being suspected as right-wing extremist, targeting BLM protestors.

Because the same happened with the last guy that was attacked in his own car and was forced to flee, shooting one attacker and rushing to the police.

They called him a white-supremacist, only for the narrative to fail. When he turned out to not even be white. He possibly wasn't even on the political right. Because he wanted to get through to the precinct, seeing as his brother worked there.

 

[Lisa]

We’re smart enough to understand it’s actually not smart to block a freeway. :lol:

Pedestrians still have rights in a protest. You cannot just mow them down in your partisan outrage. Didn't you learn anything from Charlottesville?

 

[Paradoxical]

Don't need to read minds to know someone who uses an off-ramp to get onto the Freeway to avoid barricades was well intent on causing harm. But here you are trying to defend that. Well that's two charges of attempted murder at least.

Was he a black separatist? A racist?

 

[Oborosen]

A situation that could have been avoided by not driving toward the crowd in the first place...

If you attempt to stop traffic illegally, then you're going to have vehicles coming your way.

 

[Ikari]

Pedestrians still have rights in a protest. You cannot just mow them down in your partisan outrage. Didn't you learn anything from Charlottesville?

2 People Injured After Vehicle Careens Into Protesters In Seattle : NPR

"My hope is, as a result of this tragedy, protesters will reconsider their desire to be on the interstate," he said, "because I cannot guarantee their safety, plain and simple."

...

Mead said Saturday that protesters have forced a closure on Interstate 5 every day for nearly three weeks. The freeway, however, is "simply not a safe place" for protesters to gather, he added.

You cannot just run over the protesters, this is true. And the right to protest must be upheld, this is also true. However, closing down interstates and highways is not the right way to go about it, particularly without permit. It's not safe, it's hard for police to protect everyone, as is seen in this case. Some crazy guy may just blow by the police barricade and barrel into the protesters.

The right of assembly and protest is indeed very important, but we need to be cognoscente with how we exercise our rights as well.

 

[lurchadams]

It brings me no joy to say this, but the left wing government of Washington is essentially fascist.

They are permitting so called “peaceful” protestors to break the law with impunity then bringing the full resources of the state on anyone who causes harm to their Brownshirt instigators.


Bing

So these scum are setting up barricades and blocking the most vital international trade road in America and when someone using the freeway hits these people then the driver gets charged.

Pure evil.

And this shows why I’m souring on Donald Trump, if I were president I would order federal authorities to arrest these scumbags as they are restraining international trade. It’s also time for civil rights under color of law statutes to be used to criminally indict Jenny Durkan and Jay Inslee and Bob Ferguson. This is basically a state government collaborating with an openly Marxist violent insurrection movement

I think you should move. We'll help you pack!

 

[Schism]

Protesters were on the freeway for more than an hour before the car drove around the blockade around 1:36 a.m., Mead said.

1:36 a.m

It was pitch black outside. I'm sure that's a factor.