Was Trump right to attack this judge?

[JANFU]

But you see, it depends on who you are as to whether you are biased. If you are rich, white, Christian, and/or conservative, you are automatically biased, bigoted, probably racist, and incapable of being fair or objective.

And how many times have we seen our friends on these message boards cite this person's endorsement of or by whomever or their affiliation with whatever as an indictment of their character and disqualification IF that person is rich, white, Christian, and/or conservative?

But nevertheless we are supposed to just accept that a Judge Curiel,
son of Mexican immigrants,
member of the prestigious San Diego La Raza Lawyers association whose president endorsed Obama twice,
who was honored recently for outstanding contribution to that organization that provides advocacy for Hispanics, including illegals,
who himself recently served on a committee providing a scholarship to an illegal,
and who is on the record as supporting Hillary Clinton,

. . .would be entirely fair, impartial, and objective in adjudicating a lawsuit involving Donald Trump who has strongly campaigned on securing the border and enforcing the immigration laws.

Must say that looks so pretty- bit nothing firm there.
But it is right pretty like.
The Judge stood up to death threats from the Cartel.I am sure his family was also a target.

Now I see this Judge as having charctaer and the balls to do his job. Even when facing death trheats from a Crmilinal Organiztion that makes no bones about killing people.

Now to my next point which clearly demonstartes it is the Judge being of Mexican descent. not any of what you mentioned above, but he is guilty because his ethnicity is Mexican.

Trump: ‘Absolutely’ possible I’d be treated unfairly by a Muslim judge | TheHill

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump in an interview broadcast Sunday called his criticism of the judge overseeing civil fraud lawsuits against Trump University “common sense,” adding that it’s “absolutely" possible he’d be treated unfairly by a Muslim judge.

During an appearance on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Trump said U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel’s has treated him in a “hostile manner” and pointed to the judge’s Mexican heritage.

“I think it has a lot to do with it. First of all, I've had terrible rulings forever,” Trump said. “This is a case I should've won on summary judgment.

From what I know he does not have any cases in front of a Judge who is Muslim? Is that correct?

 

[JANFU]

I have a friend with an MBA from a big University who can only get work as a customer service rep. I've got 20yrs experience as a business owner in the eyeglass industry and couldn't get paid beans. Three tech guys have all the money and they're not sharing.

Afternoon Grip - But I am missing the point?
I can be kinda slow like that. lol

 

[grip]

Afternoon Grip - But I am missing the point?
I can be kinda slow like that. lol

No, you're on point. I merely digressed off into the spectrum that any degree, regardless of the school's rep is pretty much irrelevant in the job market. Otherwords, the economy sucks.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Must say that looks so pretty- bit nothing firm there.
But it is right pretty like.
The Judge stood up to death threats from the Cartel.I am sure his family was also a target.

Now I see this Judge as having charctaer and the balls to do his job. Even when facing death trheats from a Crmilinal Organiztion that makes no bones about killing people.

Now to my next point which clearly demonstartes it is the Judge being of Mexican descent. not any of what you mentioned above, but he is guilty because his ethnicity is Mexican.

Trump: ‘Absolutely’ possible I’d be treated unfairly by a Muslim judge | TheHill

From what I know he does not have any cases in front of a Judge who is Muslim? Is that correct?

Nobody is questioning Judge Curiel's performance as a judge. His dealings with the cartels has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this case. And the only reason Trump got into the Muslim judge thing is because he was baited into it by another unscrupulous media interviewer and he was honest in his answer. Given all the publicity he has had over his remarks that we shouldn't be bringing in unvetted Muslims has made him a verbal negative target of the entire Muslim community.

And we don't know what Trump knows about Judge Curiel but I am pretty darn sure he knows a whole bunch more than all of us do combined. His choice of words to describe Judge Curiel maybe unfortunate. And it may be quintessential Trump baiting the media to keep him on the front pages.

But Trump has no track record at all of bigotry or racism and there are no glass ceilings in any of his business operations. So there is no reason whatsoever to think that his reasons for wanting the judge recused are legitimate.

 

[AlbqOwl]

No, you're on point. I merely digressed off into the spectrum that any degree, regardless of the school's rep is pretty much irrelevant in the job market. Otherwords, the economy sucks.

Then if I were you I would get on the Trump train. He's certainly imperfect and can be outrageous, even infuriating at times, but he is the ONLY chance we have to see the economy turned around.

 

[grip]

Then if I were you I would get on the Trump train. He's certainly imperfect and can be outrageous, even infuriating at times, but he is the ONLY chance we have to see the economy turned around.

I'm not sure selling my soul is worth the cost.

 

[JANFU]

Nobody is questioning Judge Curiel's performance as a judge. His dealings with the cartels has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this case. And the only reason Trump got into the Muslim judge thing is because he was baited into it by another unscrupulous media interviewer and he was honest in his answer. Given all the publicity he has had over his remarks that we shouldn't be bringing in unvetted Muslims has made him a verbal negative target of the entire Muslim community.

And we don't know what Trump knows about Judge Curiel but I am pretty darn sure he knows a whole bunch more than all of us do combined. His choice of words to describe Judge Curiel maybe unfortunate. And it may be quintessential Trump baiting the media to keep him on the front pages.

But Trump has no track record at all of bigotry or racism and there are no glass ceilings in any of his business operations. So there is no reason whatsoever to think that his reasons for wanting the judge recused are legitimate.

If that was the case his lawyers should have addressed this a long time ago.
As there are a number of these so called educational facilities that have defrauded students, Trump may be looking at a negative ruling, just at the time he is the nominee for Pres.

 

[AlbqOwl]

I'm not sure selling my soul is worth the cost.

You wouldn't be selling your soul. You would be acknowledging that there isn't anybody running who is a saint or who doesn't have some major negatives. But we aren't going to find a perfect candidate in our lifetime. So why not settle for one who has been a pretty good guy overall, who has learned from his failures and knows how to get things done, and who has a clue what makes the economy tick.

I for one am sick to death of polished politicians who are all so very careful in correct in how they say things and who pander shamelessly to get our votes, and once the have those votes and our contributions, they forget everything they promised. The whole permanent political class, and that would include Obama and Hillary Clinton, Democrats and GOP, are in it for their own power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth. They throw us just enough bones to keep us quiet.

Trump is no ideologue, committed to no political party, and has no particular personal ax to grind. He wasn't my first, second, third, or fourth choice as a candidate, but now that we have him, I am cautiously optimistic that he could be pretty good in the job. And if not, he sure won't do any worse.

 

[Gaius46]

His parents and the so-called organization he is affiliated with , the same organization opposed to deportation of illegals and gave Killary Rotten Clinton $700,000 . This guy stinks of bias !!!

Again Trump's lawyers don't think so - they haven't asked him to recuse himself - not that there's even actually a legal reason for the judge to do so. Interestingly this judge has been working this case for several years. Trump's only now become aware of his bias?

What stinks here is Trump. He's pandering to his base that eats unthinkingly eats this crap up.

 

[The Mark]

Was Trump right to attack this judge?

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Was Trump right to attack this judge?

If I'm understanding what Trump is apparently saying correctly, he's saying "This judge is of Mexican heritage, therefor he is biased against me because I keep talking about how I'm going to build a wall along the Mexico/USA border."

That seems kinda idiotic to me.

Although what Trump is really saying here is "The judge realizes that I'm an idiot, and is thus biased against me".

 

[AlbqOwl]

If that was the case his lawyers should have addressed this a long time ago.
As there are a number of these so called educational facilities that have defrauded students, Trump may be looking at a negative ruling, just at the time he is the nominee for Pres.

And that addresses my post that you quoted, how? I'm not trying to be contentious here, but your comment seems entirely non sequitur to what I posted. The judge did not order the release of the papers until the end of last week, so there is no way Trump's lawyers could know he would do that.

 

[grip]

You wouldn't be selling your soul. You would be acknowledging that there isn't anybody running who is a saint or who doesn't have some major negatives. But we aren't going to find a perfect candidate in our lifetime. So why not settle for one who has been a pretty good guy overall, who has learned from his failures and knows how to get things done, and who has a clue what makes the economy tick.

I for one am sick to death of polished politicians who are all so very careful in correct in how they say things and who pander shamelessly to get our votes, and once the have those votes and our contributions, they forget everything they promised. The whole permanent political class, and that would include Obama and Hillary Clinton, Democrats and GOP, are in it for their own power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth. They throw us just enough bones to keep us quiet.

Trump is no ideologue, committed to no political party, and has no particular personal ax to grind. He wasn't my first, second, third, or fourth choice as a candidate, but now that we have him, I am cautiously optimistic that he could be pretty good in the job. And if not, he sure won't do any worse.

You're ardently supporting a man who's own children probably don't know. His actions will tell it all and soon. I say within 6 months in office he has the world on the brink of WIII, regardless of all his stated good intentions.

 

[JANFU]

And that addresses my post that you quoted, how?

The underlined is what I was referring to.
Next he threw many Judges, not lily white, under the bus.
Or he could be doing what he so called advised Romney to do- Go after the crazies.

Nobody is questioning Judge Curiel's performance as a judge. His dealings with the cartels has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this case. And the only reason Trump got into the Muslim judge thing is because he was baited into it by another unscrupulous media interviewer and he was honest in his answer. Given all the publicity he has had over his remarks that we shouldn't be bringing in unvetted Muslims has made him a verbal negative target of the entire Muslim community.

And we don't know what Trump knows about Judge Curiel but I am pretty darn sure he knows a whole bunch more than all of us do combined. His choice of words to describe Judge Curiel maybe unfortunate. And it may be quintessential Trump baiting the media to keep him on the front pages.

But Trump has no track record at all of bigotry or racism and there are no glass ceilings in any of his business operations. So there is no reason whatsoever to think that his reasons for wanting the judge recused are legitimate.

 

[AlbqOwl]

You're ardently supporting a man who's own children probably don't know. His actions will tell it all and soon. I say within 6 months in office he has the world on the brink of WIII, regardless of all his stated good intentions.

Sorry, but I have seen nothing he has said or in what those closest to him have said about him, including his children, to suggest that would be the case. I do know we cannot continue as we have. We cannot keep shipping jobs overseas and sustaining the impossible trade deficits we are incurring. He recognizes that and seems to have the courage to address it. But the fact that some big gun Republicans are willing to get behind him suggests he has calmed their nerves about him.

But everybody isn't going to love everybody and if you are dead set against him, so be it. You have to do what you think best. I am thinking that if we elect Hillary Clinton for four to eight more years of the way we have been going, I don't think there is any power on Earth that will be able to turn it around.

 

[AlbqOwl]

The underlined is what I was referring to.
Next he threw many Judges, not lily white, under the bus.
Or he could be doing what he so called advised Romney to do- Go after the crazies.

That was just my mild hyperbole to make a point. I can't believe Trump doesn't know as much or more about the judge as I do. And if I was in Trump's shoes, there is no way in hell I would want that judge adjudicating my case. There is every valid reason for Trump to ask for the judge to be recused.

 

[Fearandloathing]

But his ethnicity alters his judgement ! Her belongs to an organization that opposes deportation of ILLEGALS and added $700,000 to the Clinton campaign . He actions so far demonstrates his bias .

Once again, if it's so obvious, why are Trump's lawyers saying he isn't biased?


You can't get out of this one, just another trap the loudmouth has set for himself. You see, most Americans understand that if the judge were biased, his lawyers would have filed to replace him, they haven't, you're blowing smoke at the wind

 

[JANFU]

That was just my mild hyperbole to make a point. I can't believe Trump doesn't know as much or more about the judge as I do. And if I was in Trump's shoes, there is no way in hell I would want that judge adjudicating my case. There is every valid reason for Trump to ask for the judge to be recused.

Because he is of Mexican descent?

 

[grip]

Sorry, but I have seen nothing he has said or in what those closest to him have said about him, including his children, to suggest that would be the case. I do know we cannot continue as we have. We cannot keep shipping jobs overseas and sustaining the impossible trade deficits we are incurring. He recognizes that and seems to have the courage to address it. But the fact that some big gun Republicans are willing to get behind him suggests he has calmed their nerves about him.

But everybody isn't going to love everybody and if you are dead set against him, so be it. You have to do what you think best. I am thinking that if we elect Hillary Clinton for four to eight more years of the way we have been going, I don't think there is any power on Earth that will be able to turn it around.

I recognize that he's right about supporting American businesses and equal trade deals. He's even correct about many other issues and all that still doesn't make him the right leader. It's not always a matter of either or. Especially by not voting against someone, say Hillary. Gary Johnson, a Libertarian and third party candidate seems more sensible too me than Donald Dump, who is a tyrant and egomaniac.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Because he is of Mexican descent?

No, because of all the other reasons in addition to him being of Mexican descent. All of it put together should raise questions in anybody as to whether this judge could be objective and impartial in a case involving somebody like Trump. If I was in Trump's shoes, there is no question I would want a different judge.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

No, because of all the other reasons in addition to him being of Mexican descent. All of it put together should raise questions in anybody as to whether this judge could be objective and impartial in a case involving somebody like Trump. If I was in Trump's shoes, there is no question I would want a different judge.

And yet no other valid reasons, whatsoever, have been cited, and 'being of Mexican descent' isn't a reason in the first place.

 

[AlbqOwl]

I recognize that he's right about supporting American businesses and equal trade deals. He's even correct about many other issues and all that still doesn't make him the right leader. It's not always a matter of either or. Especially by not voting against someone, say Hillary. Gary Johnson, a Libertarian and third party candidate seems more sensible too me than Donald Dump, who is a tyrant and egomaniac.

I haven't seen any evidence of tyranny. An egomaniac yes, but no more than Johnson or Clinton. Who isn't an egomaniac who considers himself/herself qualified to be President of the United States?

So you can put your prejudices against somebody like Trump ahead of your own interests and vote for somebody who can't win or who will continue the policies and anti-business tactics that we have seen for the past almost eight years. Or you can go with the only candidate still standing who could actually make things better.

The choice is yours.

 

[JANFU]

No, because of all the other reasons in addition to him being of Mexican descent. All of it put together should raise questions in anybody as to whether this judge could be objective and impartial in a case involving somebody like Trump. If I was in Trump's shoes, there is no question I would want a different judge.

Would a Muslim judge would be required to recuse themselves?

 

[AlbqOwl]

And yet no other valid reasons, whatsoever, have been cited.

Yes, there are a number of other reasons that are entirely valid. I have listed all the other valid reasons several times now in this thread and others. I don't choose to do it again.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Would a Muslim judge would be required to recuse themselves?

Given that the entire Muslim community has condemned Trump's statements about allowing no more unvetted Muslims into the country, a Muslim judge on record as supporting Hillary Clinton and who is a member of an organization promoting Muslim immigration should recuse himself from the case.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Yes, there are a number of other reasons that are entirely valid. I have listed all the other valid reasons several times now in this thread and others. I don't choose to do it again.

No, I'm sorry, I've been following along with this from the get-go. None of the reasons you cited were valid, nor were they in other threads.