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Considering that thousands of Americans are dead, tens of thousands have been wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed, $800 billion has been wasted, our international reputation is in tatters, and an Iraqi government is in place that is friendly with Iran, I would say it was not worth it.
No. How can a war based on lies and deceit EVER be worth it. The record is abundantly clear that Rumsfield and Cheney for decades had wanted to pursue an imperialistic agenda into Iraq. They couldn't convince the first Bush to proceed and had to wait for someone that they could control better.
How can ANYONE say that manipulating the public and using 911 to justify an invasion of a country that had ZERO to do with 911 was worth it?
WWII is also worthless
WWII is also worthless when you consider the number of military and civilian deaths, the amount of money wasted, the US international reputation having confused perceptions, and the strengthening of the Soviet Union to become a superpower.
Just saying
Considering that thousands of Americans are dead, tens of thousands have been wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed, $800 billion has been wasted, our international reputation is in tatters, and an Iraqi government is in place that is friendly with Iran, I would say it was not worth it.
Your right we cant.1. We cannot do everything at the same time.
Your seriously playing the card that we support freedom and prosperity?2. We must have priorities.
Your right like overthrowing truly democratic leaders and putting into power a dictator that agrees with our economic ways. Right?3. We must use alternate means as much as possible when direct intervention and nation building would be inappropriate (for various reasons) at this time.
Too soon to tell for me.
Earlier in the week BO had nice things to say about the outcome. He said this at Fort Bragg so he may have been lying to the soldier to make them feel better. He probably doesn't believe a word he said.
Difference is that WW2 was a war and not a military occupation.
Our reputation is no different than it was before, and the rest...meh.
Point taken..WWII is also worthless when you consider the number of military and civilian deaths, the amount of money wasted, the US international reputation having confused perceptions, and the strengthening of the Soviet Union to become a superpower.
Just saying
Simple yes or no question.
Not really a simple yes or no question.If Iraq falls into the hands of terrorists and troops left before eradicating the terrorists, then it becomes a waste of all the troop deaths and money spent.If Iraq becomes a enemy nation then yes it would be a waste.If Iraq becomes a peace loving democracy and great ally then it would not be a waste.
Our reputation is no different than it was before, and the rest...meh.
America doesn't have invisible plane. Silly people...That was Wonder Woman. :mrgreen: See...We don't have invisible planes...
Not entirely true. We've now shown rule of law is not important to us, so we don't have that high ground. We're shown that we'd torture, whihc means no country in the future has to worry about being held to that law, not for us. And more people see us as imperialistic than did.
Substantiate that....somehow.
Well, those in the military have argued it concerning the use of torture. And the UN among others have presented that we were aggressors, ignoring our own agreements, the ones we signed. So, I think it is fairly clear.
You said it right here. Militarily speaking, the air crew don't qualify as, "troops".
Really...got some evidence of your claim?
You said it right here. Militarily speaking, the air crew don't qualify as, "troops".
I have shown it many times over the years. From many different sources. But here's what todays quick search shows:
The report shows that there was strong opposition to those four corners -- which were established by Bush administration and justice department lawyers -- from the military, which argued that the behavior it purported to justify was illegal.
Bush Administration Ignored Military's Strong Opposition To Torture Program
. . . this letter from 38 other military leaders, including two former Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - Generals John Shalikasvili and John Vessey.
Armchair Generalist: 38 Retired Military Leaders Against Torture
Veteran's Against Torture
Just the first few from a search. There is more, and you should knnow that.
Do you need links to our agreements with the UN as well? Really?
Well, I'd say consider the source...but that would fall on deaf ears. What you have is a very small number of military members complaining. You need to realize how many served, and regardless, this has nothing to do with how we are actually perceived by non-US peoples.
I'd like to see what you think substantiates your claim, sure.
No, PBS did a film on this and the military was largely behind the objections. I claimed the military opposed it, and supported that. But think for a minute, if we say the bad guys torture and that is in part why they are bad, do you really believe they look at us and say oh, that's cool? Or if we do go to war with a real country, how can we argue they should not torture our people? We've certainly showed we will.
Do you know how many people are in the military? And who supports torture? But you should also ask how many think waterboarding is torture....you'll get different feedback.
Despite some opinions based on not so accurate statements, this doesn't say anything of any real value and doesn't reflect anything about our reputation on the world stage. IF we were in violation of the UN, why did they do nothing to stop us? Why did the majority of the UN join us in the invasion?
By the way...according to the BBC, world opinion of the US is generally improving. http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pipa/pdf/apr10/BBCViews_Apr10_rpt.pdf
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