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So like I said, his sin was not liking everyone.
I don't know about you, but I don't sit up at night worrying about who total strangers like or don't like. But hey, whatever makes you happy. Everyone needs a hobby.
Your attempt to downplay and soften his comments is duly noted. Racism != Not liking everyone. Learn the difference, or cut the dishonesty and at least recognize such.
As if one can't openly oppose and seek to censor such backwardness without obsessing over it. I'm starting to wonder if you're capable of carrying on a discussion in normal terms.
No one's obsessing here :shrug: Your continued insistence that the discussion merely revolved around who he wanted his girlfriend to hang out with is downplaying his comments and attempting to cast them in a far more positive light. Anyone with a lick of sense can see that quite clearly.Nice try, but I don't attempt to downplay or soften anything. I don't care about his comments. You do. I don't obsess over who someone wants his girlfriend to hang out with.
He was the NBA's problem - not mine. They dealt with him. Me, I don't really care about him.
No one's obsessing here :shrug: Your continued insistence that the discussion merely revolved around who he wanted his girlfriend to hang out with is downplaying his comments and attempting to cast them in a far more positive light. Anyone with a lick of sense can see that quite clearly.
Nobody should be verbally abused or assualted by their employer, regardless of their color, sex, or other unique attribute.
I'm a blonde woman, and have had to tolerate "dumb blonde" jokes most of my life. I've learned to ignore them because in the grand scheme of things, they don't matter to me, but if I really think about it, I could be highly offended.
I agree with you to a certain point. I don't agree with forcing him to sell his franchise. Let the free market take care of that. But on the flip side, the NBA is a association that has the right to protect its brand. Regardless if the words were spoken in private or not, having this guy as a owner in the association would be a cancer to the league.
For his racist comments caught on tape, Clippers owner Donald Sterling recently had this ruling put on him by NBA commissioner Adam Silver:
$2.5M fine (maximum allowed in by-laws)
Lifetime ban from NBA games
Lifetime ban from NBA function
Zero access to facilities during Clippers games and practices
Urging by the BoD to owners for forced divestiture of ownership
Was the hammer too great, or spot on?
Also to take into consideration:
He spoke these words on his private property
He broke no actual laws
His girlfriend broke the law by recording him without his knowledge
But a top down punishment being imposed upon him for something he did privately outside the scope of his association with the NBA, that's the sort of thing I'm less comfortable with. I won't loose any sleep over it really, because Sterling is a scumbag, but the precedent of "If you don't think like us, we'll do everything we can to ruin you" isn't one that I'd personally like to see set.
For his racist comments caught on tape, Clippers owner Donald Sterling recently had this ruling put on him by NBA commissioner Adam Silver:
$2.5M fine (maximum allowed in by-laws)
Lifetime ban from NBA games
Lifetime ban from NBA function
Zero access to facilities during Clippers games and practices
Urging by the BoD to owners for forced divestiture of ownership
Was the hammer too great, or spot on?
Also to take into consideration:
He spoke these words on his private property
He broke no actual laws
His girlfriend broke the law by recording him without his knowledge
The NBA as a private voluntary association certainly has the right to enforce certain standards on its members as long as the penalties were applied in compliance with their establish by-laws that Sterling agreed to when he joined the league (or were passed after he joined the league) then I have no LEGAL issue with what the NBA did.
I don't know what to call my concern really. I'm just always leery of thought police, no matter what form they take. A grass roots, market based response to Sterling's comments (and history) is fine by me and as I said, I would support such efforts. But a top down punishment being imposed upon him for something he did privately outside the scope of his association with the NBA, that's the sort of thing I'm less comfortable with. I won't loose any sleep over it really, because Sterling is a scumbag, but the precedent of "If you don't think like us, we'll do everything we can to ruin you" isn't one that I'd personally like to see set.
Not that I mind his punishment, but seriously? He is punished for the "media sensation" he caused in only under a week? In the NBA? Huh?He's not punished for what he said.
He's punished for the media frenzy and the embarassment caused. Sure - they might not say it - but, as what we've seen with other people - how far spread the story goes amplifies the response directly.
All those players calling each other nigger need to be banned as well... this is reverse racism that is more disgusting than affirmative action.
What he did is deplorable but to single him out like this is disgusting and hypocritical.
Not that I mind his punishment, but seriously? He is punished for the "media sensation" he caused in only under a week? In the NBA? Huh?
You don't understand that the word is not being used as pejorative in such cases? How could anyone not understand that?
Because him being a racist is the same as using the word 'nigga' as 'friend'?
Don't you understand? He's a victim of the evil Joo media that covers up crimes by blacks and sensationalizes crimes by whites in order to facilitate the secret race war.
Wake up white people!!
The point is that it is hypocritical but I do love the fact that you think that you are clever. :lol:
What's hypocritical? Being against racism?
Claiming to be against racism while using racist jargon is hypocritical. I am sorry you can't grasp this. Truly.
The word 'nigga', used to mean 'friend' is not racist.
Further, minorities cannot be racist in any socially meaningful way. As racism is a social construct, and not an individual creation, minorities thereby cannot even be racist.
So white people can call other white people nigger or nigga in front of black people without any negative connotation?
Yeah... I thought so. Your idea is utter bull****.
That is one of the most idiotic conclusions that I have ever heard. :lol:
I won't even begin to tear that stupid crap apart because it is literally beyond rational thinking... :lol:
I used to think that you had some smarts... now all I see is a whiney drama queen.
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So what? That doesn't make 'nigga', used in a non-pejorative way, racist.
Racism is a social construct. It cannot be created by an individual. As a social construct, only socially meaningful manifestations are significant. As blacks have no institutional power with which to back their bigotry, they are not capable of racism. They can be racial bigots, but their beliefs will never carry any connotations for me, a white person. They're just pissing in the wind.
When a black says they hate whites, does that threaten you? No, of course not, because it will never affect your ability to get a job, house or fair shake in court.
When a white says they hate blacks, it carries very real implications for blacks.
Racists like to ignore this distinction. They also like to ignore the historical implications. They like to reduce the word to the simplest possible meaning, using only the first dictionary definition, in order to draw false equivalence and ignore the very real impacts yesterday and today of actual -socially meaningful- racism.
Not that I mind his punishment, but seriously? He is punished for the "media sensation" he caused in only under a week? In the NBA? Huh?
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