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Was Hamas's 7 October 2023 Attack Justified? (1 Viewer)

Was Hamas's 7 October 2023 Attack A Justified Response to Israeli Treatment and Policy??

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Was Hamas's 7 October 2023 Attack Justified in that Gazan's and Palestinians are, and have been, treated so poorly, oppressed and attacked by Israeli policies that the attack was essentially justified as an act of self-defense or even freedom fighting?
 
No. But the political reasoning based on decades of injustices isnt hard to recognize.
 
Hamas/Islamic Jihad are terrorists with the destruction of Israel in their charter.
Iran expands and expands, and gave logistical support to the terorists

Israel has no obligation to submit to terrorist groups trying to annihilate all Jews just to please the rest of the world. If I was 50 years younger I'd consider joining the Israeli war effort in whatever capacity I could be useful.
 
Voted no. However, I don't support what Israel is doing nor do I think it will accomplish what they think it will. They cannot kill their way out of the situation, and the dreams of displacing the Palestinians like some in country want to do, is likely not going to end well either.
 
Was Hamas's 7 October 2023 Attack Justified in that Gazan's and Palestinians are, and have been, treated so poorly, oppressed and attacked by Israeli policies that the attack was essentially justified as an act of self-defense or even freedom fighting?
No. But a 2 state solution should have been negotiated starting 70 years ago.
 
Israel has no obligation to submit to terrorist groups trying to annihilate all Jews just to please the rest of the world. If I was 50 years younger I'd consider joining the Israeli war effort in whatever capacity I could be useful.
So you would not have supported the Israeli terrorist groups back in the 40's I take it. They were just as ruthless as Hamas is today.
 
Many people seem to feel that Hamas is justified in attacking Israeli military targets.

They feel, however, that massacring music festival attendees and kibbutz residents was an atrocity.

I have just read that reportedly Israel is continuing to seize more land in the West Bank. IF these reports are true, then President Biden needs another talk with Prime Minister Netanyahu.

The response to the October 7 pogrom has been disastrous.

It is time for Israel to adopt another approach -- under the leadership of a different prime minister.
 
Justified? No.

Understandable and 100% predictable given Israel's actions? Yes.
 
Was Hamas's 7 October 2023 Attack Justified in that Gazan's and Palestinians are, and have been, treated so poorly, oppressed and attacked by Israeli policies that the attack was essentially justified as an act of self-defense or even freedom fighting?

No.

Nor is the deliberate slaughter of civilians who didn't authorize nor had anything to do with the planned assault.

Community punishment is wrong, whether initiating hostilities or retaliating.

It's not that hard to understand, really.
 
Many people seem to feel that Hamas is justified in attacking Israeli military targets.

They feel, however, that massacring music festival attendees and kibbutz residents was an atrocity.

I have just read that reportedly Israel is continuing to seize more land in the West Bank. IF these reports are true, then President Biden needs another talk with Prime Minister Netanyahu.

That has been going on for years.
 
That has been going on for years.

The West Bank has been under Israeli military occupation since 1967 when it was captured from Jordan during the Six Day War. Jordan relnquished claims to the territory as part of peace treaty negotiarions. My opinion is that Israel should annex the territory making it officially part of the state of Israel. In addition Israel should take full control of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem removing any control by Jordan or any other Islamic entity.
 
1. Was the Oct 7 attack justified. ?
No it was a viscious terrorist attack and murder of Israelis.
2. Did it require a military response?
Yes. Any attack of that scope requires a direct and immediate military response
3. Is israel within its rights to remove Hamas from power as acting govt of a terrorist state?
under these circumstances, because Hamas terrorist Govt is sitting directly alongside a 32miles porous border, israel actually has a moral imperative to its citizens to remove that govt by force. Israel was absolutely right to bomb and invade, assuming that Hamas Govt was not resigning en masse (which it wasn't)
4. Does Israel have any duty to protect civilian Gazans from the harm, destruction, and famine that its war machine induces, as it invades and occupies Gazan land and displaces Hamas and captures Hamas radicals?
Absolutely. For however long as Israel acts like a govt, issues orders of a govt, and claims the authority of a govt, it accepts the duties of same, and that includes ensuring some marginal safety of Gazans, ensuring access to food, protecting evacuation routes, and ensuring access to basic emergency medical care.
5. Is the 'Human Shield' tactics/strategy of Hamas mitigate on the above duty Israel has as an occupying force and invading army?
NO. It does not mitigate the Israeli duty to minimize the collateral damage to the local population of its own action , nor does it mean Israel now has the right to engage in collective punishment or that the international prohibition against causing or weaponizing food depravation can be ignored.

And that is where the Israelis are dead wrong. Those trucks should be rolling in and Israelis should be doing everything it can to protect evacuation routes from its own military attacks. It needs to facilitate the evacuation, and keep that humanitarian aide flowing, regardless of any enhanced military concerns. It cannot protect hundreds of its own people by inducing a mass death event among the innocent Palestinians, and walk away from moral accountability.
 
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Voted no. However, I don't support what Israel is doing nor do I think it will accomplish what they think it will. They cannot kill their way out of the situation, and the dreams of displacing the Palestinians like some in country want to do, is likely not going to end well either.
So what is it do you think Israel should have done in response to October 7 massacres, offered Hamas more territory from which to launch its next attacks?
Was there any option other than completely eradicating Hamas?
 
So what is it do you think Israel should have done in response to October 7 massacres, offered Hamas more territory from which to launch its next attacks?
Was there any option other than completely eradicating Hamas?

No, there is no other option.
 
So what is it do you think Israel should have done in response to October 7 massacres, offered Hamas more territory from which to launch its next attacks?
Was there any option other than completely eradicating Hamas?

Starving children is not self defense.
 
1. Was the Oct 7 attack justified. ?
No it was a viscious terrorist attack and murder of Israelis.
2. Did it require a military response?
Yes. Any attack of that scope requires a direct and immediate military response
3. Is israel within its rights to remove Hamas from power as acting govt of a terrorist state?
under these circumstances, because Hamas terrorist Govt is sitting directly alongside a 32miles porous border, israel actually has a moral imperative to its citizens to remove that govt by force. Israel was absolutely right to bomb and invade, assuming that Hamas Govt was not resigning en masse (which it wasn't)
4. Does Israel have any duty to protect civilian Gazans from the harm, destruction, and famine that its war machine induces, as it invades and occupies Gazan land and displaces Hamas and captures Hamas radicals?
Absolutely. For however long as Israel acts like a govt, issues orders of a govt, and claims the authority of a govt, it accepts the duties of same, and that includes ensuring some marginal safety of Gazans, ensuring access to food, protecting evacuation routes, and ensuring access to basic emergency medical care.
5. Is the 'Human Shield' tactics/strategy of Hamas mitigate on the above duty Israel has as an occupying force and invading army?
NO. It does not mitigate the Israeli duty to minimize the collateral damage to the local population of its own action , nor does it mean Israel now has the right to engage in collective punishment or that the international prohibition against causing or weaponizing food depravation.

And that is where the Israelis are dead wrong. Those trucks should be rolling in and Israelis should be doing everything it can to protect evacuation routes from its own military attacks. It needs to facilitate the evacuation, and keep that humanitarian aide flowing, regardless of any enhanced military concerns. It cannot protect hundreds of its own people by inducing a mass death event among the innocent Palestinians, and walk away from moral accountability.
The part you're missing is where Israel is not limiting supplies at all at this point, although many of it if not most of it ends up in Hamas' hands and thus some of the civilian population continue to struggle to get any.
The problem is not the amount that enters Gaza. The problem is only the distribution.
 
No, there is no other option.
Which makes me wonder what exactly do people who call for a ceasefire want?
I understand people who call for more humanitarian aid to enter (although those are ignorant too, as the problem is with the distribution not the amount), but I simply cannot understand what reasoning is there to call for a permanent one-sided ceasefire. It's just as crazy as people who would call for a permanent one-sided ceasefire with Nazi Germany during the invasion of Germany.
 
The part you're missing is where Israel is not limiting supplies at all at this point, although many of it if not most of it ends up in Hamas' hands and thus some of the civilian population continue to struggle to get any.
The problem is not the amount that enters Gaza. The problem is only the distribution.

That is not an unintended consequence either, that is deliberate on the part of HAMAS.
 
The part you're missing is where Israel is not limiting supplies at all at this point, although many of it if not most of it ends up in Hamas' hands and thus some of the civilian population continue to struggle to get any.
The problem is not the amount that enters Gaza. The problem is only the distribution.
Oh. I was under the impression it required inspections for contraband. Maybe they no longer impede those trucks with those inspections. Maybe there is no bureaucratic red tape whatsoever, and the Israelis just turn their backs as soon as the trucks approach as if there is no border. I was misinformed.

If distribution is a problem then the Israelis need to facilitate distribution. The famine did not exist before they bombed and rolled through. they have a positive duty to get that food where it needs to go. Or alternately they can pack up and go back home and leave Hamas as the reigning govt over Gaza!
 
That is not an unintended consequence either, that is deliberate on the part of HAMAS.
Correct.
Hamas desires to create a humanitarian crisis on purpose so to use the people it considers as its 'useful idiots' to press Israel to halt the war and save its skin.
That's why it hides behind civilians, that's why it steals their food.
 

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