WSUwarrior
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ok. make education prohibitively expensive, and then conservatives can pay for welfare instead and bitch about it on internet message boards.
or we could educate the kids so that they don't need welfare, and conservatives could still bitch about that.
i prefer the latter.
Education is not prohibitively expensive. I paid my own way through college, it was difficult, but the juice was worth the squeeze.
We already pay for 12 years of school and still have millions either not graduating or simply skating by. You dont need 12 years of school to do the jobs those idiots are destined for. Im sure they can be trained to work in a warehouse in a few short weeks.
I'm retired....
I'm retired....
Education is not prohibitively expensive. I paid my own way through college, it was difficult, but the juice was worth the squeeze.
We already pay for 12 years of school and still have millions either not graduating or simply skating by. You dont need 12 years of school to do the jobs those idiots are destined for. Im sure they can be trained to work in a warehouse in a few short weeks.
Education is not prohibitively expensive. I paid my own way through college, it was difficult, but the juice was worth the squeeze.
We already pay for 12 years of school and still have millions either not graduating or simply skating by. You dont need 12 years of school to do the jobs those idiots are destined for. Im sure they can be trained to work in a warehouse in a few short weeks.
Making it even weirder that you think more access to education somehow devalues education.
Do you believe that an elementary school education holds no value because we hand it out to everyone?
I'm not surprised that working for wage increases is viewed as "giving" in light of how min wage has not kept up with inflation,
and you have of course ignored comments on seeking greater wages by the already employed. Dishonest argument.
Well, now you have your work cut out for you, show that Maine has either increased funding for their "training programs" providing enough spaces for those seeking it (one reason why those have given up) or that there is private employers hiring for those unemployed.
So has the result of increased EITC caused large wage gains for those in lower quintiles?
I think we have already gone over this. It hasn't.
I never knew that forcing MW increases was a "libertarian" moment or that alternative universes exist. I understand that this forcing via MW does not fit well into your universe.I am maintaining the goalpost that I set out in the beginning - that of a forcing function on the employer to raise wages commensurate with the loss of public aid experienced by his or her workers. Thus far you've come back with "well, in such a scenario politics might mandate the increase in the MW" hypothetical, forgetting that A) in that parallel universe apparently going through such a libertarian moment, that is unlikely and B) employers have alternatives to human labor when that labor becomes prohibitively expensive. Demand for low-skill labor is not perfectly inelastic.
Not to the extent of new hires to existing employees, stop please, you are reaching for your denials.
Thats the reality
It is better for the EMPLOYER, it reduces pressure on the EMPLOYER to increase wages....that why he likes it.
You are assuming that many would be affected by wage increases and that TANF/SNAP would not change. They have changed in the past when MW changes.
I know you do, and the belief is that it will cause greater employment, the soup kitchen theory for the elderly and children.
....for businesses.
Nearly all student loans are eventually repaid.
First you were arguing that young people aren't mature enough to realize that they are harming themselves with debt, now you are arguing that they are not credit worthy. That's two totally different arguments.
So which is the real issue, that college isn't worth debt,
or that student loans won't be paid back?
Personally, I don't see either as an issue, because reality proves that college is generally worth the price over a lifetime of earnings, and that most every student loan is eventually repaid and the government makes a profit off of the student loan program.
Well the federal government does possess unique tools with which to enforce repayment that makes this statement true.
I'm not sure those arguments are really that different.
That was never the issue/argument.
Neither was that. The issue was that we allow immature adults to take on enormous debt before their brains are developed enough to have full long-term consequential cognitive ability and by using very low standards of creditworthiness.
The fact that people can unwittingly plunge themselves into enormous debt on their 18th birthday does some of them no favors.
Profit shouldn't be a goal or consequence of this, frankly, as the government is not for profit. I agree college is worthwhile generally (but not universally) speaking. Most very successful people went to college and so they help drive the life earnings averages of college graduates up. This widely cited statistic that those with college degrees earn such a great return on their investment creates the cultural belief that college is such a no-brainer that it's worth doing at any price and any amount of debt regardless of whether you have any clue why you're attending.
No investment whatsoever is a universally good one. It can be a good one in a majority of cases but that doesn't mean it always is or that loans should be effortless and virtually infinite to secure. I simply think credit should be a little harder to secure.
So you give a minimum wage earner a monstrous wage increase. How does that person "manage" their money?
The thing I like about you is that you always disagree nicely. Never any insults from you.
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