I think that the very nature of Black Friday is going to change. 'Bout time too. We don't need it.
whoa, you also think someone should be legally required to work? really?
For the third year...
:lamo
Yes, it is going to change. It's getting earlier and earlier. What y'all don't understand is that the consumers are driving this decision. If the people weren't there to shop, the stores wouldn't be open. You go to your neighborhood Target at 5pm tomorrow night, and tell me what you see. It's scary. The last time I was at Target when they first opened, the line was 3 across, probably a quarter of a mile long. Honestly, I think people would be upset if the stores closed.
I'll bet you a good chunk of them want the day off so they can go shopping themselves. Staying home with the families is a crock.
I do the same thing as well, but you blame corporate greed. I blame consumer want.
It was my understanding that they were timing the strike to coincide with the store's busiest time, and not that the issue was when the workers were scheduled to be on duty.They have every right to strike. Walmart, depending on their contract with workers, may have every right to replace them. When you apply to work for a 24/7/360 employer, don't be surprised that you may be scheduled on holidays.
:lol: Where did I say that? Are you serious? Legality has nothing to do with it! When you work retail, it is a known fact that you will work holidays. The employee can't sue the employer, the employer can't sue the employee. I'm not going to explain this to you anymore. I don't know if English is not your first language, or maybe you lied to sign up, and you really are under 13, if you are being intentionally obtuse, or if you just don't know any better.
Either way, I think I'm finished with you. I just don't have the patience today.
i thought you said that because of the quote you were responding to. i asked whether that poster believed they should be legally required to work and that if so, i disagreed with that. you responded by saying "then don't take a job in retail" as though you agree that anyone who takes a job in retail should be legally required to work on a holiday.
english is my first language. i'm 29. i'm an HR professional and have a masters degree in labor economics. the reason i've been posting the way i've been posting is to try and get others to challenge your own ideas about what unions are, what a strike is, and what it means to live in a free market. if i sound like i'm being obtuse, it is only because you lack the ability to understand these issues from a bigger picture perspective.
OK dude. Whatever. :lol:
I must go now. I have more pies to bake, so I can be finished, and can start planning my shopping trip for tomorrow night! Woohooo!
and that's cool. i just wanted to make sure i understood what you were saying.
don't you think that a law requiring folks to show up to work would be unconstitutional? these people didn't sign a contract or anything.
I have never stated there should be a law. Isn't work days,hours,etc covered in the employees contract?
If you run a business, would it be ok with you for a worker to tell you what days and hours they are going to work?
no these employees don't have contracts. 99% of employees don't have contracts.
if i ran a business, and a worker told me they weren't willing to work the hours i needed them to, i would terminate their employment. i'd be okay with that, because that's how the free market operates.
Read more @: Walmart Workers Launch Black Friday Strike
:applaud:applaudIn solidarity! [/FONT][/COLOR]
My family has no Thanksgiving tradition. I work most holidays, and I've worked every Thanksgiving for many years. I'm working this Thanksgiving as well. Most years, we go out to eat for Thanksgiving or have a big meal on another day, if everyone can get the day off. This year, my parents are going to eat cornish hens alone at home. Their kids and grandkids are unavailable for the traditions they grew up with because of conflicting work schedules. So don't presume people's intentions for wanting to celebrate the holiday. Those traditions are meaningful to people, and I can attest that working holidays devastates those traditions and practices.
Note: I do not work in retail.
ok dude. maybe while you're shopping you can mull over some of what i said and it will make more sense. in the future you might get better responses from people if you weren't so defensive.
I have no problem with Wal Mart of any company opening for business on any day of the year or any hour of the day. On national holidays, the employee should have the right to turn down the day if they desire to do so without any repercussions with their employer.
Wouldn't that be cool if all the doctors and nurses turned down the day?
Maybe the firemen can do it too. The country would be one really neat bonfire and there wouldn't be anyone to put them out.
Wooo!
Wouldn't that be cool if all the doctors and nurses turned down the day?
Maybe the firemen can do it too. The country would be one really neat bonfire and there wouldn't be anyone to put them out.
Wooo!
What about the people that provide Haymarket's house with electricity? I guess he will have to break out the fire in his fireplace. Wait...many of those run on gas. Hmmm... well, he can always go outside and cook his meal. He won't freeze too much.
I know people in medicine and they generally work a system where professionals who are not Christians take those days like Christmas in return for trading for the non Christian holidays and the rest is made up with volunteers and overtime enticements. It is a system which works very well and has done so for a very long time.
Wouldn't that be cool if all the doctors and nurses turned down the day?
Maybe the firemen can do it too. The country would be one really neat bonfire and there wouldn't be anyone to put them out.
Wooo!
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