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How do you explain tax revenue growing after the tax increases under Clinton? How do you explain tax revenue growing in the absence of any change to tax rates?
I would explain it as the 1994 elections that put the GOP in charge and a GOP that recinded most of those tax increases. You were probably too young to understand
Again, my point is state employee and retiree salaries and benefits are NOT the main cause of these state's budget shortfalls, and the collective bargaining power afforded state employee unions should not be held accountable for any given state's inability to balance their own budgets. The legislators created the mess, but state employees are paying for it. That's wrong.
(BTW, let's not be patronizing here, okay? I may be a state employee, but I pay city, state and federal taxes just as everyone else. I pay my property taxes same as you. I shop at retail stores same as you. I live in much the same way as everybody else. So, let's not attempt to differentiate one world view from another simply because I work in state government. Contrary to popular belief, I live in the exact same world as you do. My association with public (state and federal government) and private sector employment may provide me with a better perspective on these such issues than you may otherwise believe. So, let's first seek to understand one another then be understood, before passing judgment shall we?)
So it's tax cuts, except when it isn't and you got to blame it on something else with zero data. Your argument is looking kinda silly.
By the way, I was already out of the military when this happened. Your backassed insult failed miserably. When you have to resort to stupid **** like that, it is pretty much proof that you know you have failed and are looking for anything to save face.
Well, well, well, I knew there was a reason that I didn't respond to you in the past. I used poor judgment and decided to give you another chance. Looks like I was wrong.
Amazing that this is still about you keeping more of what you earn and I am the only one defending it. Your lack of economic understanding is staggering. Obviously you don't understand that tax cuts mean more take home pay and less need for all that govt. help that you want to promote. I certainly hope that you are sending your tax cuts back since apparently the govt. needs the money more than you do.
For someone that claims to have served in the military you sure have a distorted view of the U.S. Economy and what drives it. Doubt seriously that you did indeed serve but that is irrelevant. Figure out the components of GDP and get back to me. Then you might be able to figure out how tax cuts and tax increases affect economic growth. The word incentive doesn't seem to exist in the liberal world.
People line up to work at Walmarts because once a Walmart moves in, they will not be able to compete with them
Of course they do not participate in small markets
you are already stopped the moment your business starts to try to compete with theirs.
Hey look, more insults, and complete avoiding talking about my point. Good job! When you have some one beat, you can always tell.
Redress said:By the way, I was already out of the military when this happened. Your backassed insult failed miserably. When you have to resort to stupid **** like that, it is pretty much proof that you know you have failed and are looking for anything to save face.
Contradicts:
If they are not in that market, they are NOT COMPETING WITH YOU.
Hell, even tiny fish still routinely displace the giant global brands. How did Gates compete with IBM again? Papa Johns with PizzaHut/Dominos?
You have to find new reasoning to back up your beliefs, because these are obviously false.
Everybody is going to have to pay for it. And, yes, legislators created the mess. Gov. Walker wants to take bargaining wages out of the legislators' hands and put it in the hands of the people. I have no problem with that. Why should you?
Your list of what was being asked of state employees got my goat. It's being asked of everyone. No one is singling out the public sector. People who work for state governments and have defined benefit pension plans have a different world view because they live in a different world. Their pensions are far and away more generous than the private sector employees who have to pay for them.
Well, well, well, I knew there was a reason that I didn't respond to you in the past. I used poor judgment and decided to give you another chance. Looks like I was wrong.
Amazing that this is still about you keeping more of what you earn and I am the only one defending it. Your lack of economic understanding is staggering. Obviously you don't understand that tax cuts mean more take home pay and less need for all that govt. help that you want to promote. I certainly hope that you are sending your tax cuts back since apparently the govt. needs the money more than you do.
For someone that claims to have served in the military you sure have a distorted view of the U.S. Economy and what drives it. Doubt seriously that you did indeed serve but that is irrelevant. Figure out the components of GDP and get back to me. Then you might be able to figure out how tax cuts and tax increases affect economic growth. The word incentive doesn't seem to exist in the liberal world.
Please stop with the references to tax cuts and GDP. That's not what this thread is about. Save that for another thread.
"Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has been punk'd, his office confirmed Wednesday. The Republican governor who is pushing legislation that would end collective bargaining for public employees was at the wrong end of a prank telephone call with a person he believed was David Koch, a conservative billionaire businessman.
In reality, the caller was Ian Murphy, a blogger from Buffalo, N.Y.
Koch and his brother, Charles, own Koch Industries, the largest privately owned company in America and one with significant operations in Wisconsin. Its political-action committee gave $43,000 to Walker's campaign, and David Koch gave $1 million to the Republican Governors Association, which funded ads attacking Walker's opponent in last year's election.
The Kochs also give millions to support Americans For Prosperity, a conservative business group that launched a $320,000 television ad campaign in favor of Walker's legislation Wednesday.
Posing as David Koch, Murphy makes inflammatory statements on unions and Democrats. Walker says Wisconsin is at the vanguard of a set of states in which conservative governors are battling with workers over union rights. Walker agrees with the impersonator that Wisconsin is the "first domino."
"This is our moment," he says on the recording.
Walker also explains potential tactics for breaking the deadlock, including trying to lure Democratic senators who fled the state back to the Capitol to negotiate and then pushing the bill through while Republicans have the quorum needed to move the measure.
"If you had heard that I was going to talk to them, that would be the only reason why," Walker says on the recording.
The governor also said he planned to announce Thursday that state workers would start receiving notices that they're at risk for layoff. Walker says 5,000 to 6,000 such notices could be sent.
At the end of the call, the prankster says: "I'll tell you what, Scott, once you crush these bastards, I'll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time."
"All right, that would be outstanding," Walker replies, adding the standoff is "all about getting our freedoms back."
Democrats seized on the recorded comments as evidence that Walker plans to go beyond budget cuts to crushing unions."
Nation & World | Prank sucks in Wisconsin governor | Seattle Times Newspaper
Wisconsin teacher salary statistics:
Rankings
Average Teacher Salary Rank: 20th
Starting Teacher Salary Rank: 49th
Salary raise last year: 4.7%
Salary raise over 10 years: 21.5%
How do salaries grow in Wisconsin?
Starting Salary: $25,222
Average Salary: $46,390
Total Expenditures: $8,654,346,758
Teacher Expenditures: $2,638,094,048
Percent Spent on Teachers: 30%"
Wisconsin Teacher Salary | Teaching Salaries in WI: $46,390
"Public school teachers in Wisconsin earned a combined $75,587 in total average compensation – wages and benefits – in 2010, according to figures from the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction"
Wisconsin Teachers Earned Average $75,587 in Total Compensation in 2010 | CNSnews.com
Why again is this extravagant for a professional with 4 - 8 years of college doing one of the most important jobs in the country?
If you include the money the state pays for the pension fund and health insurance the salary would be much higher
Liberals and union try to deceive us on this the truth is they are much better off than than the average person in Wisconsin and get 3 months a year vacation
so...CEO huge salaries = GOOD........educator big salaries = BAD. lol.
yeah...no it's certainly not right. a person running a school district should make a decent salary. why do you oppose that?
I think that is what is meant by "wages and benefits" in the post you quoted.
Do you have evidence that similarly educated people in the private sector are not paid more than those in the public sector?
I’ll just address the meat of this rambling, almost incoherent post. Taxpayers PAY WAGES of public employees, for services performed. If taxpayers were funding unions,people that had a hard on against unions(such as yourself) would have been lining up for the last hindered years filing court cases against their money funding unions. End of story,have a good day conservative.::2wave:
I would be interested to see if you have any documentation that shows that $75,000, which includes their benefits, is out of line with the average worker with 4 - 8 years of college.
Or is this just your feeling?
How about just the average wage for people in Wisconsin. Most people do not get free insurance and pension plan
I think that is what is meant by "wages and benefits" in the post you quoted.
Do you have evidence that similarly educated people in the private sector are not paid more than those in the public sector?
What difference does it make? People are standing in line to be teachers. Let the market speak there like it does everywhere else. There is no direct comparison to the private sector -- OH!!! Unless you want to use private schools. And, historically, those salaries have been lower than those in public schools. So let's use those.
Maybe they should. How about a single payer system.
Just saying . . . . :coffeepap
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