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[W:843] How religious thinking works

Elvira said:
With God's holy spirit overseeing so there is truth...
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No. See, you're avoiding the truth.

Everything you know, everything you've been taught, everything you've read has come from man.

The entire idea/concept of "with god's holy spirit overseeing..." is something you learned from men.
 
Dragonfly said:
No. See, you're avoiding the truth.

Everything you know, everything you've been taught, everything you've read has come from man.

The entire idea/concept of "with god's holy spirit overseeing..." is something you learned from men.
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Says you...and who are you again?:2razz:
 
Elvira said:
No, Peter said it and he was not a con man...
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Oooops, that’s an overly awkward statement to make in light of the Petrine epistles themselves were forgeries (pseudepigraphical); written at least a full generation (and perhaps well afterwards) after the death of the historical Peter. Peter’s name was borrowed to lend it a sense of authoritativeness, which really makes your “not a con man” statement rather ironic. Lol.


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Elvira said:
He's my brother in Christ...
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How about the person who actually wrote those words down in Peter's name long after he had died? Is he your brother in Christ too?



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Omega Man said:
Oooops, that’s an overly awkward statement to make in light of the Petrine epistles themselves were forgeries (pseudepigraphical); written at least a full generation (and perhaps well afterwards) after the death of the historical Peter. Peter’s name was borrowed to lend it a sense of authoritativeness, which really makes your “not a con man” statement rather ironic. Lol.


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Says you...who are you again?:2razz:
 
Elvira said:
Says you...
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And academic/scholarly experts like Paul John Achtemeier, Graham Norman Stanton, Travis. B. Williams, David Lyon Bartlett, Bart Denton Ehrman, Raymond Edward Brown, Eric Eve, John H. Elliott, Stephen L. Harris, etc. etc. etc..


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Omega Man said:
And academic/scholarly experts like Paul John Achtemeier, Graham Norman Stanton, Travis. B. Williams, David Lyon Bartlett, Bart Denton Ehrman, Raymond Edward Brown, Eric Eve, John H. Elliott, Stephen L. Harris, etc. etc. etc..


OM
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I commend you for coming back after such a scathingly cruel and extremely profound retort to your previous post.

I hope your wounds heal quickly.
 
Ouroboros said:
On the contrary, there are only a relative handful of historical works extant from the period we're talking about, mostly Roman writers, who wouldn't have had all that much interest in rumors of Jewish rebels coming back to life. I don't accept the testimonies of early Christians uncritically, but neither do I accept the testimonies of secular historians of the time. We're not dealing with a period where a lot of fact-checking took place.
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That is very convenient for believers.
 
Omega Man said:
And academic/scholarly experts like Paul John Achtemeier, Graham Norman Stanton, Travis. B. Williams, David Lyon Bartlett, Bart Denton Ehrman, Raymond Edward Brown, Eric Eve, John H. Elliott, Stephen L. Harris, etc. etc. etc..


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Christian denier experts...:2razz:
 
JustHanging said:
I think our beliefs drive our decisions, and if our beliefs are incorrect, then we're going to make poor decisions. That's bad.

For example, some Christians think worrying about polluting the planet is stupid, they say Jesus gave us the planet to do with as we please, and he's returning soon, so why bother. They vote accordingly when it comes to environmental issues. Stupid beliefs => stupid decisions.
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I'm not sure which way around this goes.

Does religion cause people to make stupid decisions, or are people who make stupid decision more likely to accept religion?
 
Tim the plumber said:
YouTube

This video, a bit long but interesting, is about post modernism. But all that is a sort of religious replacement of individual thinking, to give you an identity and to place all others in their place socially. To avoid being self responsible.

There certainly is danger in not having religion given how bad at thinking lots of people who consider themselves clever, and have been told that they are indeed clever, are.
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You know that the author of your YouTube video, James A. Lindsay, is a proven fraud and hoaxster, right? He created bogus academic papers and submitted them to academic journals in the areas of culture, homosexuality, "race," gender, obesity, and sexuality studies, completely manufacturing the authors of those bogus papers. Nobody should find this con-artist even remotely credible.
 
Elvira said:
He's my brother in Christ...
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Can you show someone external to yourself that doesn't have the same religous assumptions to you that is a true statement? How is that anything but circular reasoning, and just asserting something to be true?
 
RAMOSS said:
Can you show someone external to yourself that doesn't have the same religous assumptions to you that is a true statement? How is that anything but circular reasoning, and just asserting something to be true?
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Other than the fact that I speak in agreement with the same mind and in same line of thought as Jesus and the apostles, no...

"Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." 1 Corinthians 1:10
 
Elvira said:
Other than the fact that I speak in agreement with the same mind and in same line of thought as Jesus and the apostles, no...

"Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought." 1 Corinthians 1:10
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It is obvious due to the fracturing of the various religious denominations since then, paul/saul was wrong.
 
RAMOSS said:
It is obvious due to the fracturing of the various religious denominations since then, paul/saul was wrong.
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No, it is obvious due to the fracturing of the various religious denominations since then, most of them have to be wrong...
 
Elvira said:
No, it is obvious due to the fracturing of the various religious denominations since then, most of them have to be wrong...
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If not all of them. And, it shows Paul was wrong too.
 
Elvira said:
No, it is obvious due to the fracturing of the various religious denominations since then, most of them have to be wrong...
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Probably all of them. They all have the same amount of evidence supporting them.
 
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