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[W:843] How religious thinking works

Elvira said:
And they agree with me that you are wrong...
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And, in all cases, it's the logical fallacy known as 'argument from popularity'.

Now, there is objective and tangible evidence of the biased translation of the NWT
 
RAMOSS said:
And, in all cases, it's the logical fallacy known as 'argument from popularity'.

Now, there is objective and tangible evidence of the biased translation of the NWT
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Nah, it just proves that we all have commonalities and differences...
 
RAMOSS said:
I noticed yhou can not show you read those books, nor can you actually show it's anything more than blind faith on your part.
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Recommend you take off your blinders. You're not a race horse.
 
Logicman said:
Recommend you take off your blinders. You're not a race horse.
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That is the technique known as 'shifting the burden of proof'. You can't show you speak the truth, so you tell me to 'take my blinders off'. However, the lack of support for you claims remain.
 
JustHanging said:
I think our beliefs drive our decisions, and if our beliefs are incorrect, then we're going to make poor decisions. That's bad.

For example, some Christians think worrying about polluting the planet is stupid, they say Jesus gave us the planet to do with as we please, and he's returning soon, so why bother. They vote accordingly when it comes to environmental issues. Stupid beliefs => stupid decisions.
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And if you care to look, you can find religious people who support environmental responsibility because they believe God meant humans to act as stewards to the planet.

I think it a strong possibility that the people who have caused the most damage to the ecosystem are not motivated by religion, but by simple gain.
 
Rich2018 said:
Well technically neither are you - you're a JW which is based on Christianity.

Ramoss are you a Christian
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No, Never have been, I am Jewish
 
JustHanging said:
According to your quote, he talked about mental illness: Religion is capable of driving people to such dangerous folly that faith seems to me to qualify as a kind of mental illness.

Such as sincerely believing you have a close personal relationship with an imaginary friend who does magic on your behalf.
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But "imaginary friend" is your conception, not that of Dawkins. It's OK if you wanna put that out there as your own thing, and then I can respond that "imaginary friend" doesn't really represent the many forms of belief about supernatural presences.
 
JustHanging said:
Um, are you going for "Best Non Sequitur" award?

My assertion was: There isn't anything religious groups do that secular groups couldn't do just as well. (Other than convincing people to believe in an imaginary god, of course)

Prove me wrong: What can religious groups do that secular groups can't also do?
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You've been saying that religious groups have been guilty of all manner of sins, and I've pointed out that secular groups have been just as crazy.

You're making the assumption that every prospective member of a group wants the same thing. People who like to stay within the secular world are comfortable within groups with a secular bent, and that satisfies them. But people who prefer a sacramental attitude to life will NOT be served by such groups.

"One law for the lion and the ox is tyranny."-- William Blake
 
Rich2018 said:
Well technically neither are you - you're a JW which is based on Christianity.

Ramoss are you a Christian
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I am a Christian based on what the Bible says...not what some man says Christianity is...
 
JustHanging said:
Nope. Listing a bunch of book titles is meaningless. Particularly when some of the author's employers literally require them to support the resurrection as terms of employment.

Their evidence is almost always "The bible told me so." Belief in the stories in an old book is not evidence. No more than belief in Christmas Songs proves Santa Claus has flying reindeer.

But hey, prove me wrong, present the evidence outside of the bible that Jesus was resurrected. There were plenty of historians around at that time, recording daily events in that region. Why not use their records as evidence?
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On the contrary, there are only a relative handful of historical works extant from the period we're talking about, mostly Roman writers, who wouldn't have had all that much interest in rumors of Jewish rebels coming back to life. I don't accept the testimonies of early Christians uncritically, but neither do I accept the testimonies of secular historians of the time. We're not dealing with a period where a lot of fact-checking took place.
 
Omega Man said:
I disagree. There is such a thing as conceptual knowledge. I can read any number of fictional works, and glean insightful lessons from them (consider Aesop's Fables). That is knowledge. By reading fiction, I am getting a glimpse into the mind of another person - the author. That is knowledge. A lot of fiction also have psychological and/or philosophical components to it; I can walk away with a different perspective or mindset. That is knowledge.


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I agree.
 
Elvira said:
I am a Christian based on what the Bible says...not what some man says Christianity is...
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Absolutely everything you know regarding your religion came from men.

None of it came from anywhere else but men.

Men wrote the bible. Men created your religion. Men lead your church. Men write and operate the JW.org site you rely on.

100% men.
 
Dragonfly said:
Absolutely everything you know regarding your religion came from men.

None of it came from anywhere else but men.

Men wrote the bible. Men created your religion. Men lead your church. Men write and operate the JW.org site you rely on.

100% men.
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at least 'mankind'. You can't rule out a smattering of women in there.
 
Dragonfly said:
Absolutely everything you know regarding your religion came from men.

None of it came from anywhere else but men.

Men wrote the bible. Men created your religion. Men lead your church. Men write and operate the JW.org site you rely on.

100% men.
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“Prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.” 2 Peter 1:21
 
Elvira said:
“Prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.” 2 Peter 1:21
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Thus says every con man to convince people they are the one telling the truth.
 
Elvira said:
“Prophecy....
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Changes absolutely nothing I said. Nothing.

Everything you know about religion, christianity, Jehovah, Yahweh, Satan, God, The Watchtower, JW.org, and anything else "religion" has come about due to men.

Every religious text you've read has been authored, edited, translated, revised, interpreted, and re-interpreted by men.

Every. Single. Bit. Of. It.
 
Dragonfly said:
Changes absolutely nothing I said. Nothing.

Everything you know about religion, christianity, Jehovah, Yahweh, Satan, God, The Watchtower, JW.org, and anything else "religion" has come about due to men.

Every religious text you've read has been authored, edited, translated, revised, interpreted, and re-interpreted by men.

Every. Single. Bit. Of. It.
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With God's holy spirit overseeing so there is truth...you just gotta dig for it...
 
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