[W: #839] Bad news: possible 10 foot sea rise within a decade

[Glitch]

The only one who claimed there are glaciers in the Arctic is you. So its an amazing strawman youve done for multiple quotes. got any more silly excuses?

Technically, anywhere the ice stays all year round can be considered a glacier. The word originates from the French word glace meaning "ice." The Arctic also covers a huge area, from 66°33′48.9″N to 90°N. There has been ice that stays all year around above the Arctic Circle, and below the Antarctic Circle for at least the last 20 million years.

 

[Desert Storm]

Actually, "polar" is a location, not a type of ice. Which makes all glacial ice located at either pole "polar ice." Glacial ice is just glacial ice, regardless of its physical location

The only polar ice I like is this

 

[Glitch]

The only polar ice I like is this

Thanks, but I prefer this kind of frostbite instead.

 

[dockside]

No... it's just that the rest of the world just doesn't care about the decadence of the USA and Europe and the world refuses to play your "green" games... unfortunately, the West refuses to understand.
You cannot understand that the time of your dictatorship is in the past and that your "agenda" is not global.

The weather on the planet has always changed... I will tell you a secret that is hidden from you - once Antarctica was without ice at all. And in most countries of the world today they understand.

After the US lost the war to Afghanistan... in general, everyone has become indifferent to you. You can tear your hair, it doesn't bother anyone. You are already the past.

And, I will tell you something also. When Antarctica was without ice at all (if that is an actual fact), either the world had no human beings living in it or the number of human beings was infinitesimally smaller than it is now and they didn't have industrial machines nor were fossil fuels in use. Just sticks and stones and, perhaps, fire. Nothing to heat up the environment at the pace it is heating up today with the billions of people, all over the planet, and the environment changing so quickly in comparison that we will not be able to adapt.

 

[Glitch]

And, I will tell you something also. When Antarctica was without ice at all (if that is an actual fact), either the world had no human beings living in it or the number of human beings was infinitesimally smaller than it is now and they didn't have industrial machines nor were fossil fuels in use. Just sticks and stones and, perhaps, fire. Nothing to heat up the environment at the pace it is heating up today with the billions of people, all over the planet, and the environment changing so quickly in comparison that we will not be able to adapt.

Antarctica has been without ice most of Earth's history. From ~270 million years ago, until ~40 million years ago Antarctica was ice-free. Dinosaurs use to live there.

Hominids have been around 4 to 5 million years, and many different species existed. However, modern humans which sprang into existence ~180,000 to 200,000 years ago are the only species of hominid that remain.

 

[Glitch]

Antarctica was not always located at the south pole either. During the Permian and Triassic periods when Pangaea was breaking up, South Africa was located at the south pole, and Antarctica was located about where Australia is located today, much further north from its current location. What became the Karoo Desert of South Africa was initially carved out by the glaciers that formed while it was located at the south pole. Antarctica is also moving north. Nothing stays in one spot forever.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Actually, "polar" is a location, not a type of ice. Which makes all glacial ice located at either pole "polar ice." Glacial ice is just glacial ice, regardless of its physical location.

Very true. But I don't know what latitude it is designed to start at. I recall 60 degrees, 70 degrees, and the arctic/antarctic circle used often, but I don't know if there is a designated latitude for the polar region.

I might learn something new!

 

[Lord of Planar]

Thanks, but I prefer this kind of frostbite instead.

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Have you ever seen "A Song of Ice?"

 

[Glitch]

Have you ever seen "A Song of Ice?"

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Never was much of a Game of Thrones fan. My preferred beverage is:


Although, I will have to say that Frontier Brewery, just 8 miles down the road from me, makes a very nice IPA and their Pilsner isn't bad.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Never was much of a Game of Thrones fan. My preferred beverage is:
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Although, I will have to say that Frontier Brewery, just 8 miles down the road from me, makes a very nice IPA and their Pilsner isn't bad.

I go with the more local stuff as well. I have some Black Butte Porter in the fridge here. The Deshutes Brewery was originally in Bend Oregon only, but have a brewpub downtown Portland now, and make it here too. Its about 12 miles from me. They have Elk Burgers on their menu as well!

 

[osinneins]

Technically, anywhere the ice stays all year round can be considered a glacier. The word originates from the French word glace meaning "ice." The Arctic also covers a huge area, from 66°33′48.9″N to 90°N. There has been ice that stays all year around above the Arctic Circle, and below the Antarctic Circle for at least the last 20 million years.

Apparently the people at the US Geological Survey are a bit more nuanced in their definition of a glacier. I am doubtful that Arctic sea ice would be considered a glacier, but the ice sheet on Greenland would be.

What is a glacier? | U.S. Geological Survey

A glacier is a large, perennial accumulation of crystalline ice, snow, rock, sediment, and often liquid water that originates on land and moves down slope under the influence of its own weight and gravity. Typically, glaciers exist and may even form in areas where: mean annual temperatures...

www.usgs.gov

 

[osinneins]

Very true. But I don't know what latitude it is designed to start at. I recall 60 degrees, 70 degrees, and the arctic/antarctic circle used often, but I don't know if there is a designated latitude for the polar region.

I might learn something new!

I think the Arctic and Anatarctic circles are both at 66.6degN and 66.6degS respectively.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Apparently the people at the US Geological Survey are a bit more nuanced in their definition of a glacier. I am doubtful that Arctic sea ice would be considered a glacier, but the ice sheet on Greenland would be.

What is a glacier? | U.S. Geological Survey

A glacier is a large, perennial accumulation of crystalline ice, snow, rock, sediment, and often liquid water that originates on land and moves down slope under the influence of its own weight and gravity. Typically, glaciers exist and may even form in areas where: mean annual temperatures...

www.usgs.gov

They classify it that way because of its source. The sea ice that makes up the polar cap, is frozen sea water. The sea ice that make up the floating ice around the Antarctica continent is the outflow of the glaciers.

 

[osinneins]

They classify it that way because of its source. The sea ice that makes up the polar cap, is frozen sea water. The sea ice that make up the floating ice around the Antarctica continent is the outflow of the glaciers.

Sea ice can form in both the Arctic and Antarctic and there is some floating ice in the Arctic that is calved off of land-ice sheets like Greenland ("glaciers") which often go floating around the Arctic Ocean and Atlantic Ocean.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Sea ice can form in both the Arctic and Antarctic and there is some floating ice in the Arctic that is calved off of land-ice sheets like Greenland ("glaciers") which often go floating around the Arctic Ocean and Atlantic Ocean.

The continent coves a great deal of latitude. I don't think ice forms from the sea around Antartica, though I never saw anything either way.

 

[osinneins]

The continent coves a great deal of latitude. I don't think ice forms from the sea around Antartica, though I never saw anything either way.

This seems to indicate that the Antarctic has sea ice which is formed from frozen seawater as well.

Antarctic sea ice

Antarctic sea ice is gradually increasing for a number of reasons, including changes in winds, increased ocean stratification and increased freshwater flux from melting glaciers and ice caps.

www.antarcticglaciers.org

 

[Lord of Planar]

This seems to indicate that the Antarctic has sea ice which is formed from frozen seawater as well.

Antarctic sea ice

Antarctic sea ice is gradually increasing for a number of reasons, including changes in winds, increased ocean stratification and increased freshwater flux from melting glaciers and ice caps.

www.antarcticglaciers.org

OK. I never had a need for that information before.

Thanx.

 

[Desert Storm]

I think the Arctic and Anatarctic circles are both at 66.6degN and 66.6degS respectively

Is that where Satan lives??

 

[osinneins]

Is that where Satan lives??

I was thinking that was a possibility.

 

[Glitch]

I think the Arctic and Anatarctic circles are both at 66.6degN and 66.6degS respectively.

You win the cookie for being the closest!

As I mentioned in post #126, the Arctic Circle is located at 66° 33′ 48.9″N, or 66.5635833°N. Which, of course, makes the Antarctic Circle 66° 33′ 48.9″S.

 

[Glitch]

Apparently the people at the US Geological Survey are a bit more nuanced in their definition of a glacier. I am doubtful that Arctic sea ice would be considered a glacier, but the ice sheet on Greenland would be.

What is a glacier? | U.S. Geological Survey

A glacier is a large, perennial accumulation of crystalline ice, snow, rock, sediment, and often liquid water that originates on land and moves down slope under the influence of its own weight and gravity. Typically, glaciers exist and may even form in areas where: mean annual temperatures...

www.usgs.gov

How is it any different from what I said?

I stated that "[t]echnically, anywhere the ice stays all year round can be considered a glacier" and the USGS definition says "[a] glacier is a large, perennial accumulation of crystalline ice, snow, rock, sediment..." That is the same thing.

According to both definitions, mine and the USGS the majority of the Arctic sea ice is a glacier. As per the USGS definition:

• mean annual temperatures are close to the freezing point;
• winter precipitation produces significant accumulations of snow; and
• temperatures throughout the rest of the year do not result in the complete loss of the previous winter’s snow accumulation.

While the outer fringes of the Arctic sea ice melts annually, the majority does not. Which makes the ice that doesn't melt a glacier.

 

[PoS]

I never claimed that there were glaciers in the Arctic. Provide the quote please.

Of course you did. You kept citing the Al Gore video I linked. He was talking about the Arctic. Looks like you didnt even bother to watch it and just spouted your nonsense off, as usual.

 

[The AntiDonald]

I'm no expert (of course), but I can't think of anything that can be done is just five years to stop that from happening.

If we can determine exactly what parts of our shoreline will be underwater, then maybe we can take steps to move everything away from those areas.

Short of that, I don't know what can be done.

The problem is climate activists have been screaming this stuff at the top of their lungs for 25 years. Only to be silenced by the oil and gas lobbies. Now I wonder what would have made more sense. Spending billions over the years to mitigate carbon pollution or spending trillions now to move major cities and coast lines, while still not doing anything to curb carbon emissions.

Sounds like something conservatives would come up with.

 

[Emily L]

The problem is climate activists have been screaming this stuff at the top of their lungs for 25 years. Only to be silenced by the oil and gas lobbies. Now I wonder what would have made more sense. Spending billions over the years to mitigate carbon pollution or spending trillions now to move major cities and coast lines, while still not doing anything to curb carbon emissions.

Sounds like something conservatives would come up with.

I can just see people a hundred years from now shaking their heads and asking, "Why didn't they listen?"

 

[The AntiDonald]

I can just see people a hundred years from now shaking their heads and asking, "Why didn't they listen?"

Yes. One answer. Corporate Greed.