[W:836] How Can We Be Sure the Bible Is True?

[Daisy]

Here we go - straight from the cult rule book.

Straight from God's Word...

"I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am." John 14:28

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

That is you prerogative...what matters is how God views my faith...

What matters to you is your cult and how fellow members view your opinions, conformity is all important to you, you'd have a mental crisis if you ever admitted to yourself that this or that cult claim is untrue, you'd not know what to do without the cult to guide you.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Straight from God's Word...

"I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am." John 14:28

I refuse to engage in silly games, I know what you believe and I know you have no desire to admit error, no honesty to admit that you might be incorrect - therefore I will not cast pearls before swine.

Its a game to you, someone says something contrary to what the cult teach and you have a standard "proof" to show them, this is the game and this is what your faith amounts to.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

But you falsely think that the bible contains truths. You can't know this without knowing why the bible contains what it does.

I disagree, I know that some books on my shelf contain mathematical truths - I do not need to understand the author's motives to perceive those truths.

 

[Crunchtime]

Christ is divine but he is not Jehovah God...

Scripture proves that God/Jehovah is triune. He is three Persons in One. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. I don't expect to change your views because it's obvious you have been indoctrinated by some of the best false teachers in the religious world. The whole world knows that Charles Tase Russell was a false prophet. He prophesied in error on numerous occasions. But my concern is what you are saying on this platform. You are in error when you attempt to make excuses or apologize for God. You are in over your head. My suggestion to you is to find a true Christian church that teaches the Bible, and leave your Watchtower religion because it is not leading to God, but away from Him. There are very serious consequences to believing and acting upon false doctrine.

 

[devildavid]

I refuse to engage in silly games, I know what you believe and I know you have no desire to admit error, no honesty to admit that you might be incorrect - therefore I will not cast pearls before swine.

Its a game to you, someone says something contrary to what the cult teach and you have a standard "proof" to show them, this is the game and this is what your faith amounts to.

She has her games, you have yours. It's all just a game, with no basis in reality. It is amazingly easy to make things up about gods and impossible for anyone to say who is right or wrong.

 

[devildavid]

I disagree, I know that some books on my shelf contain mathematical truths - I do not need to understand the author's motives to perceive those truths.

There are no truths in math. There are man made rules of math. Math is man made. Just like religious belief.

 

[Daisy]

What matters to you is your cult and how fellow members view your opinions, conformity is all important to you, you'd have a mental crisis if you ever admitted to yourself that this or that cult claim is untrue, you'd not know what to do without the cult to guide you.

“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me." John 17:20-23

 

[Daisy]

I refuse to engage in silly games, I know what you believe and I know you have no desire to admit error, no honesty to admit that you might be incorrect - therefore I will not cast pearls before swine.

Its a game to you, someone says something contrary to what the cult teach and you have a standard "proof" to show them, this is the game and this is what your faith amounts to.

God's Word is games to you? How typical...

 

[devildavid]

Scripture proves that God/Jehovah is triune. He is three Persons in One. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. I don't expect to change your views because it's obvious you have been indoctrinated by some of the best false teachers in the religious world. The whole world knows that Charles Tase Russell was a false prophet. He prophesied in error on numerous occasions. But my concern is what you are saying on this platform. You are in error when you attempt to make excuses or apologize for God. You are in over your head. My suggestion to you is to find a true Christian church that teaches the Bible, and leave your Watchtower religion because it is not leading to God, but away from Him. There are very serious consequences to believing and acting upon false doctrine.

Scripture doesn't prove anything.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Scripture proves that God/Jehovah is triune. He is three Persons in One. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. I don't expect to change your views because it's obvious you have been indoctrinated by some of the best false teachers in the religious world. The whole world knows that Charles Tase Russell was a false prophet. He prophesied in error on numerous occasions. But my concern is what you are saying on this platform. You are in error when you attempt to make excuses or apologize for God. You are in over your head. My suggestion to you is to find a true Christian church that teaches the Bible, and leave your Watchtower religion because it is not leading to God, but away from Him. There are very serious consequences to believing and acting upon false doctrine.

The entire question of God's nature, structure, is unclear.

If we read all scriptures that pertain to the subject it is unclear, we do not know, the text doesn't provide a definitive answer.

But rather than simply admit this people take sides and so begin the arguments and debates and fragmentation.

There are reasonable logical arguments for the "trinity" and there are reasonable logical arguments against it.

 

[Daisy]

There are very serious consequences to believing and acting upon false doctrine.

Yes, there are...such as the trinity, hellfire, and the immortal soul...

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

God's Word is games to you? How typical...

You are engaged in a game Elvira, that's why you quoted John, to gain satisfaction that you are right.

God's word should not be used like that, I did not ask you for reasons why you claim this or that did I?

I am quite capable of listing the various scriptures that support your views, myself, I know what you believe and I understand why you believe it.

 

[Crunchtime]

Scripture doesn't prove anything.

I feel your desperation dd. You want to find something to believe in, but you can't find it. For that reason you lash out. You're on this forum looking for something to rage at. Jesus loves you, dd. Just as you are.

 

[Daisy]

You are engaged in a game Elvira, that's why you quoted John, to gain satisfaction that you are right.

God's word should not be used like that, I did not ask you for reasons why you claim this or that did I?,

I am quite capable of listing the various scriptures that support your views, myself, I know what you believe and I understand why you believe it.

If that is what you think, then we are done...I thought we were having a serious discussion about God's Word...good bye SH...

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

There are no truths in math. There are man made rules of math. Math is man made. Just like religious belief.

There are provably true mathematical statements one can write, I refer to these as truths.

Do you claim that your statement "there are no truths in math" is true?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

If that is what you think, then we are done...I thought we were having a serious discussion about God's Word...good bye SH...

It was I who was striving for a serious discussion about God's word, your goal is - as always - to judge others and post Bible passages that you think reinforce what your cult has taught you to obediently repeat to others.

 

[Crunchtime]

The entire question of God's nature, structure, is unclear.

If we read all scriptures that pertain to the subject it is unclear, we do not know, the text doesn't provide a definitive answer.

But rather than simply admit this people take sides and so begin the arguments and debates and fragmentation.

There are reasonable logical arguments for the "trinity" and there are reasonable logical arguments against it.

I'm not going to debate with you, and this will be my last comment. But from Genesis through Revelation there are three distinct Persons represented in scripture. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Gospel of John, especially, is rife with examples for anyone that is willing to see.

the Bible answers the questions of nature and structure in the revelation of God through Jesus Christ. He came to reveal God. He came so that God could be known through Him. There are many mysteries. That is true. But when the veil was rent the way to the Holy of Holies; to the presence of God Almighty, was made clear. Jesus said, "I'm the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto to the Father, but by Me." He also said, "I, and the Father are One." The Father is revealed in the Son, and that revelation only comes by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus speaking. In this passage you can see the three Persons of the Trinity.

Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

If you believe in the incarnation you cannot deny the Trinity. If Jesus Christ is God, and He is, then you cannot deny Him His rightful place.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I'm not going to debate with you, and this will be my last comment. But from Genesis through Revelation there are three distinct Persons represented in scripture. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Gospel of John, especially, is rife with examples for anyone that is willing to see.

Very well, but please note: I did say

There are reasonable logical arguments for the "trinity"

the Bible answers the questions of nature and structure in the revelation of God through Jesus Christ. He came to reveal God. He came so that God could be known through Him. There are many mysteries. That is true. But when the veil was rent the way to the Holy of Holies; to the presence of God Almighty, was made clear. Jesus said, "I'm the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto to the Father, but by Me." He also said, "I, and the Father are One." The Father is revealed in the Son, and that revelation only comes by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus speaking. In this passage you can see the three Persons of the Trinity.

Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

If you believe in the incarnation you cannot deny the Trinity. If Jesus Christ is God, and He is, then you cannot deny Him His rightful place.

 

[Daisy]

It was I who was striving for a serious discussion about God's word, your goal is - as always - to judge others and post Bible passages that you think reinforce what your cult has taught you to obediently repeat to others.

Baloney...you cannot have a serious discussion about the Bible but yet leave the Bible out of it...as for judging, perhaps you should practice what you preach, for a change...anyway, we are done, so let it be...I don't play games with God's Word...

 

[Noodlegawd]

Let me try it this way: Agnostics don't presume they know enough about the workings of the universe to determine there is no God.

Ok? One need not "determine there is no God" in order to lack belief in one.

 

[watsup]

Christians arguing about the Bible. Okay for a hobby, I suppose, but it really doesn’t mean much in the end to argue about a book of myth and superstitions.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Baloney...you cannot have a serious discussion about the Bible but yet leave the Bible out of it...as for judging, perhaps you should practice what you preach, for a change...anyway, we are done, so let it be...I don't play games with God's Word...

Elvira you proselytize here for the sole reason of your own edification - stop pretending otherwise.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Ok? One need not "determine there is no God" in order to lack belief in one.

Tell me what is it that you lack a belief in?

 

[watsup]

Elvira you proselytize here for the sole reason of your own edification - stop pretending otherwise.

Psychological projection.