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[W:836] How Can We Be Sure the Bible Is True?

devildavid said:
Atheism is not a belief, philosophy, or view of reality. Atheism is only a lack of belief in god. An an atheist's ideas about the origins of the universe have nothing to do with atheism.
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That lack in belief of God is faith there is no God.:rolleyes:
 
Buckeyes85 said:
The word you were searching for was "science" not faith.
And I am not aware of any atheist claiming to know how the universe was created in that it is a total unknown what existed just before the big bang, or where that matter came from to begin with. The only people I am aware of who claim to have all those answers are those that believe in a god or gods. And those beliefs are by definition matters of faith.

So in short, no.
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Does science presume to know how the universe was created, hum?
 
Elvira said:
A short video is in the link...since this topic comes up regularly here, I thought some may be interested...


The Bible says that it is “the word of God” and that God “cannot lie.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13; Titus 1:2) Is that really so, or is the Bible just a collection of myths and legends?

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More proselytizing on behalf of your watchtower cult Elvira? I suppose you're using the trustworthy "new world" translation because the real Bible is a bit of a problem for you?
 
Buckeyes85 said:
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The word you were searching for was "science" not faith.
And I am not aware of any atheist claiming to know how the universe was created in that it is a total unknown what existed just before the big bang, or where that matter came from to begin with. The only people I am aware of who claim to have all those answers are those that believe in a god or gods. And those beliefs are by definition matters of faith.

So in short, no.
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cabse5 said:
Does science presume to know how the universe was created, hum?
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Most atheist line themselves up with science. If a solution to the nature of reality and the universe is ever found it will be
science not religion that unlocks the answers.

Religion is a backwards looking credo while science tends to look forward always asking questions and seeking answers.
Its this backwardness in religion with its mostly anti science stance that will IMHO be its eventual demise,
 
gboisjo said:
Most atheist line themselves up with science. If a solution to the nature of reality and the universe is ever found it will be
science not religion that unlocks the answers.
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But this position is futile - you'll come to see that if you consider the issues in enough depth.

Science cannot explain science, the scientific method cannot be used to explain why the scientific method is possible.

Science rests upon foundational assumptions - axioms - it cannot explain why these axiomatic truths are there, where they came from, what caused them.

Science enables us to understand how the material world changes over time, science enables us to make predictions about material systems but it cannot explain the origin of the system or the rules that seem to govern it.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
More proselytizing on behalf of your watchtower cult Elvira? I suppose you're using the trustworthy "new world" translation because the real Bible is a bit of a problem for you?
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Use your own Bible, in fact, I welcome it...i use several translations myself...
 
Elvira said:
Use your own Bible, in fact, I welcome it...i use several translations myself...
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You do not rely on the Bible though, like the vast majority of "Christians" you embrace a statement of beliefs, additional beliefs, regulations and rules.

The Bible is my statement of beliefs that and that alone.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
You do not rely on the Bible though, like the vast majority of "Christians" you embrace a statement of beliefs, additional beliefs, regulations and rules.

The Bible is my statement of beliefs that and that alone.
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Yeah, that's why I don't ever use the Bible to express my feelings/thoughts/beliefs...:giggle::p:rolleyes:
 
Elvira said:
Yeah, that's why I don't ever use the Bible to express my feelings/thoughts/beliefs...:giggle::p:rolleyes:
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Your beliefs originated with the teachings of the cult, this frames your views about the Bible.

You'd never reject any of the claims in the statement of beliefs because the cult would then reject you, thus it is fear that frames your views and opinions, fear of man.

Fear of man and man made institutions will prevent the entry of truth into your mind.

The only way for you to exist is to believe that your cult is correct and close to God and all others who do not share your cult's views are deceived and the work of the devil.

But all cult's make this claim.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
Your beliefs originated with the teachings of the cult, this frames your views about the Bible.
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Wrong, they originate with the Bible...ALL of the Bible...otherwise one can reach wrong conclusions, when studying/reading the Bible, such as cherry-picking and buffet Christians do...
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
But this position is futile - you'll come to see that if you consider the issues in enough depth.

Science cannot explain science, the scientific method cannot be used to explain why the scientific method is possible.

Science rests upon foundational assumptions - axioms - it cannot explain why these axiomatic truths are there, where they came from, what caused them.

Science enables us to understand how the material world changes over time, science enables us to make predictions about material systems but it cannot explain the origin of the system or the rules that seem to govern it.
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Belief cannot explain belief.
 
Elvira said:
Wrong, they originate with the Bible...ALL of the Bible...otherwise one can reach wrong conclusions, when studying/reading the Bible, such as cherry-picking and buffet Christians do...
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I don't believe you, I suspect strongly that most of your views are taught by the cult and then reinforced using the Bible.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
You do not rely on the Bible though, like the vast majority of "Christians" you embrace a statement of beliefs, additional beliefs, regulations and rules.

The Bible is my statement of beliefs that and that alone.
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No, the bible is not yours, it was given to you in its current form by others who controlled the narrative you are allowed to see.
 
cabse5 said:
That lack in belief of God is faith there is no God.:rolleyes:
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No, not really. It is the LOGICAL CONCLUSION that there is NO EVIDENCE for said “God” and thus no reason whatsoever to “believe”.
 
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