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[W:#7536]FBI executes search warrant at Trump's Mar-a-Lago, former President says

Cons: dog and pony show. Nothing to see here.

Reality:

 
CLAX1911 said:
No it's absurd.
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I noticed you can't find a link to show how the president has unlimited powers to declassify anything anywhere
 
CLAX1911 said:
Tell yourself whatever you need to
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You seem to...or listen to Fox News.

CLAX1911 said:
You can't show what doesn't exist. People lied to you and you believed it because you desperately want it to be true.
I wouldn't say that about you. Just mislead.
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No, Fox have misled YOU
You're so wedded to Trump the savior of America that you can't comprehend that your hero might be a crook and traitor.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Tell yourself whatever you need to
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I'm not..I'm telling you
CLAX1911 said:
You can't show what doesn't exist. People lied to you and you believed it because you desperately want it to be true.
I wouldn't say that about you. Just mislead.
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Not at all. I told you I don't have to do shit for you. Your ignorance isn't my problem. That's yours and yours alone.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't falsify batshit nuts conspiracy theories.

How long can I keep you in this denial loop. This shall be fun.
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Arguing presidential powers isn't conspiracy talk
 
Plasmaball said:
It's not..all you have to do is follow the time line
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I don't follow Twitter gossip.

So first flunkies flunk with Jan 6 scam. So I'm order to keep their stupidity in the news they convince a criminal organization to herass Trump and go digging for anything to try and keep up with this.

Timeline supports my position.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Then you're idiotic claims are dismissed.

Sure. But he can declassify anything he wants unilaterally under the preview of the executive branch. He is the top authority in the branch all others are subservient to him.

Fiction has no place here.
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If the documents were declassified, why were they still marked as classified?
 
Plasmaball said:
I'm not..I'm telling you
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to insist on falsehoods to people who know better than you is more about you than it is me.
Not at all. I told you I don't have to do shit for you. Your ignorance isn't my problem. That's yours and yours alone.
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I think this is cope.

What I'm saying threatens your worldview so you have to pretend you don't care so as not to seem as desperate as you obviously are.
 
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Plasmaball said:
Arguing presidential powers isn't conspiracy talk
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The chief executive is the chief executive there is nobody that outranks him. If Joe Biden wanted to declassify everything in all of the branches tonight you could do it with a pinstroke he has that authority that's what president is.
 
CLAX1911 said:
to insist on falsehoods to people who know better than you is more about you than it is me.
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Nothing I've stated about this topic is false.
CLAX1911 said:
I think this is cope.
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CLAX1911 said:
What I'm saying threatens your worldview so you have to pretend you don't care so as not to seem as desperate as you obviously are.
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Your ignorance on the subject hasn't done that.
I see we have moved onto the part where I have to battle woth your ego because you think you know me better than I know myself.

Coo

Go on..I want to hear what you think my worldview is. This should be amusing
 
CLAX1911 said:
The chief executive is the chief executive there is nobody that outranks him. If Joe Biden wanted to declassify everything in all of the branches tonight you could do it with a pinstroke he has that authority that's what president is.
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No he doesn't. He still has to follow the process.
He can't declassify our nuclear secrets..you are wrong.
 
Plasmaball said:
No he doesn't. He still has to follow the process.
He can't declassify our nuclear secrets..you are wrong.
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I don't think the nuclear regulatory commission falls under the purview of the executive branch. He can be classified anything under the purview of the executive branch because he is the top ranking official of it.

Were there classified nuclear documents in these boxes or are we just trying to see if there were again why him and not Barack Obama or George Bush or Bill Clinton?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Probably because they were marked that way because previously they were classified in order for something to be declassified it must first be classified.
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Secretly declassified? That’s a bizzare concept. And how do we know which documents Across the US government are still classified? After all, there still may be secretly unclassified documents hiding in Trump’s basement.

Of course now that these documents have been retroactively declassified, they should be subject to a FoIA request. There’s no legal distinction between a former president and a US citizen. If Trump can have access to these documents so can the rest of us.
 
Mithros said:
Secretly declassified? That’s a bizzare concept. And how do we know which documents Across the US government are still classified? After all, there still may be secretly unclassified documents hiding in Trump’s basement.
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well he could have an alligator breeding facility in there too I mean Barack Obama could be torturing or thin kids we don't know why in the FBI is storming into their homes?

As far as secretly this classified I'm not sure that's a thing and that he didn't tell you about it I'm not sure he has to.
Of course now that these documents have been retroactively declassified, they should be subject to a FoIA request. There’s no legal distinction between a former president and a US citizen. If Trump can have access to these documents so can the rest of us.
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What about the documents that Joe Biden has or Barack Obama or George Bush or Bill Clinton why don't even care about any of this? These were all the presidents involved in some nasty foreign conflicts they have far more skeletons in their closet but then again they're not as big of a threat to the status quo are they.
 
CLAX1911 said:
well he could have an alligator breeding facility in there too I mean Barack Obama could be torturing or thin kids we don't know why in the FBI is storming into their homes?

As far as secretly this classified I'm not sure that's a thing and that he didn't tell you about it I'm not sure he has to.

What about the documents that Joe Biden has or Barack Obama or George Bush or Bill Clinton why don't even care about any of this? These were all the presidents involved in some nasty foreign conflicts they have far more skeletons in their closet but then again they're not as big of a threat to the status quo are they.
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The problem with Trump's defense of secret declassification is not that you or I do not know what documents he declassified. The problem is that not even the current sitting president can know what documents Trump declassified because there is not a paper trail. This was never an issue with Obama or Clinton or Bush.
 
pamak said:
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The problem with Trump's defense of secret declassification is not that you or I do not know what documents he declassified. The problem is that not even the current sitting president can know what documents Trump declassified because there is not a paper trail. This was never an issue with Obama or Clinton or Bush.
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I have no idea what "secret declassification" is. Is it declassification of secrets or declassification of classified documents without telling you about it?

Why would the sitting president need to know.

I'm not sure this wasn't a problem for Clinton Obama and Bush because they did something proper or made a paper trail it's probably because there wasn't quite as much opposition to than being president is there is for Donald Trump. And by the time they were out of office they couldn't go back Donald Trump can.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't think the nuclear regulatory commission falls under the purview of the executive branch. He can be classified anything under the purview of the executive branch because he is the top ranking official of it.
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He can declassify if he follows the proper steps

CLAX1911 said:
Were there classified nuclear documents in these boxes or are we just trying to see if there were again why him and not Barack Obama or George Bush or Bill Clinton?
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Nuke docs are a rumor and not confirmed.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I have no idea what "secret declassification" is. Is it declassification of secrets or declassification of classified documents without telling you about it?

Why would the sitting president need to know.

I'm not sure this wasn't a problem for Clinton Obama and Bush because they did something proper or made a paper trail it's probably because there wasn't quite as much opposition to than being president is there is for Donald Trump. And by the time they were out of office they couldn't go back Donald Trump can.
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Then read the claims people make to defend the presence of classified documents in Mar-a-Lago.

Because he needs to know which sensitive information is secure and which info has been compromised and may be known to adversaries

Nobody needs to assure you about anything. Only the security experts, such as those in the FBI need to be sure that sensitive info has not been compromised by the secret acts of deranged previous presidents and we have no evidence that the FBI had such concerns about Obama, Clinton or Bush.
 
CLAX1911 said:
well he could have an alligator breeding facility in there too I mean Barack Obama could be torturing or thin kids we don't know why in the FBI is storming into their homes?

As far as secretly this classified I'm not sure that's a thing and that he didn't tell you about it I'm not sure he has to.

What about the documents that Joe Biden has or Barack Obama or George Bush or Bill Clinton why don't even care about any of this? These were all the presidents involved in some nasty foreign conflicts they have far more skeletons in their closet but then again they're not as big of a threat to the status quo are they.
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You’re straying.

If Trump declassified documents, then all US citizens get to see them. The entire point of classifying documents is to keep US citizens from having access to dangerous information. Once you remove the classification status, you remove that barrier.

You okay with all of us having access to top secret documents?
 
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