[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

[Rumpel]

Now the UK regrets Brexit.

 

[Rumpel]

And the EU will continue to grow and grow and grow!

Lang my the EU's lum reek!

 

[Rumpel]

Now:

• Total voters 111

And btw: Soon we'll have 11/11.

And on 11/11 at 11 minutes past 11 a.m. Carnival starts in Germany.

 

[Rumpel]

Well, this is the week it all starts for real. Things are likely to start slowly but will heat up pretty quickly - probably not before (as stated on Breakfast TV this morning) the German elections.

I'll post and add to this thread (hopefully there'll be lots of relevant contributions over time) as we progress. How will "Brexit" go - I suppose that depends on whether you voted Remain or Leave.

What are your hopes for the process and outcome? (The basic outcome is "we're out" but will it be a disaster or will we be able to make it a success?

That was on March 27 in 2017.
And still the thread is running.
and the UK feels more and more miserable because of that stupid Brexit.

 

[joluoto]

UK demands post-Brexit access to EU science programmes

According to the Brexit deal UK was supposed to retain membership in Horizon Europe (or more or less that the UK could keep being associated with them, which leaves the details up for interpretation), Euratom and Copernicus, but in practice the UK was excluded, and the EU basically ignores UK wishes to rejoin these bodies, though UK based scientists still could apply for grants from Horizon Europe last time I checked. UK is claiming it's the Northern Ireland spat that has basically frozen a progress on this front, and that might be true. And there is a lawsuit filed in August.

Still reminder that the UK left, and the treaty is vague over what being associated with these bodies means. The UK thinks it should mean they retain membership. The EU definitely does not think it means that, but it's clear it's unsure what exactly it does mean.

 

[PeteEU]

UK demands post-Brexit access to EU science programmes

According to the Brexit deal UK was supposed to retain membership in Horizon Europe (or more or less that the UK could keep being associated with them, which leaves the details up for interpretation), Euratom and Copernicus, but in practice the UK was excluded, and the EU basically ignores UK wishes to rejoin these bodies, though UK based scientists still could apply for grants from Horizon Europe last time I checked. UK is claiming it's the Northern Ireland spat that has basically frozen a progress on this front, and that might be true. And there is a lawsuit filed in August.

Still reminder that the UK left, and the treaty is vague over what being associated with these bodies means. The UK thinks it should mean they retain membership. The EU definitely does not think it means that, but it's clear it's unsure what exactly it does mean.

No they left Horizon before they had a deal with the EU.

 

[joluoto]

More Bregrets:

Brexit-backing boss says lack of overseas workers crippling UK economy

How did these yazoos not realize less immigrations means less workers.

 

[Sven Karma]

File under 'who would have thought?'

Australia free trade deal a failure for UK, says George Eustice

George Eustice helped negotiate the free trade agreement with Australia while environment secretary.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Hamish Howl]

More Bregrets:

Brexit-backing boss says lack of overseas workers crippling UK economy

How did these yazoos not realize less immigrations means less workers.

Because populism makes people stupid.

 

[Chagos]

The wider public now think Britain was wrong to leave the European Union by 56% to 32%​

Among leave voters the percentage of those sticking with their decision is down to 70 pct (2022) from 90 pct (2017) with those believing Brexit to have been the wrong decision up to 19 pct from previous 4 pct.

Still stubbornly ensconced, it would seem, in the principle of "right or wrong, my stupidity rules".

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...ive-who-voted-brexit-now-think-it-was-wrong-d

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

The wider public now think Britain was wrong to leave the European Union by 56% to 32%​

Among leave voters the percentage of those sticking with their decision is down to 70 pct (2022) from 90 pct (2017) with those believing Brexit to have been the wrong decision up to 19 pct from previous 4 pct.

Still stubbornly ensconced, it would seem, in the principle of "right or wrong, my stupidity rules".

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...ive-who-voted-brexit-now-think-it-was-wrong-d

Who could ever predicted that leaving the EU with no plan and no trade agreements to replace it would turn into a cluster fkkk.

Of course the EU needed the UK more so they will soon come begging the UK for something

 

[joluoto]

Brexit added £210 to household food bills, LSE says​

Brexit looking great. Britain still import loads of food from the EU, but importing from the EU is now more expensive. In a way this is bad for many reasons, and one of the main problems is that UK still import quite considerable amount of food from Europe, despite the British export market for food to the EU area has collapsed (because selling to EU even harder than buying from EU). One of the reasons for this is that Britain still chooses not to apply all the border checks they are entitled to for food imports, thus EU food producers now compete with British producers unfairly, since EU producers still reach the British markets, while British small and medium sized producers now are limited to just the British market (large producers can afford all the border crap, they are annoyed but they still can reach their European customers, but for far less profit).

So why are the UK not implementing the same controls for imports from the EU, as EU does for Britain. They have that right according to the trade deal...... maybe they can't afford to lose food import from the EU.... really the only reason they wouldn't have done it already. Either way food in Britain is more expensive than if there were no barriers, and British producers are in more unfair competition with European producers than before Brexit.

 

[joluoto]

Firms 'banging heads against wall' over post-Brexit trade​

More of the things we have seen before, but it basically reiterates that British companies have lost a lot of money on Brexit, having lost European customers, or having to set up a European subsidiary to stay competitive in Europe (which costs alot of money that could have been invested in Britain).

 

[Hamish Howl]

Hypothetical question: If the UK asked to come in - not as founders, but new applicants - would the EU admit them?

 

[joluoto]

Hypothetical question: If the UK asked to come in - not as founders, but new applicants - would the EU admit them?

Right now? No. The EU wants public opinion in Britain to have changed profoundly in a pro EU membership direction before they even consider allowing Britain to become a Candidate for Membership. And once that happen Britain will be a Candidate for years, because that's what always happens. Maybe decades.

 

[PeteEU]

New armoured cars for the British government are going to be Audi's made in Germany. Jaguar won't make them anymore due Brexit.

 

[Rumpel]

Re: How will Brexit go?

Is the thing they are leaving even going to be here in five years?

That's my problem with the question.

Five Years have gone.
The EU is still here.
And even stronger than before.

 

[Rumpel]

Hypothetical question: If the UK asked to come in - not as founders, but new applicants - would the EU admit them?

We may tell the UK:
Scotland and Northern Irland may come again.

Xenophobic and racist England - please stay outside!
Seek friendship with North Korea!
Better for you!

 

[Chagos]

New armoured cars for the British government are going to be Audi's made in Germany. Jaguar won't make them anymore due Brexit.

Audi make real cars anyway, compared to the XJs from even before Jaguar became Indian.

.......................and UK car manufacturing output is seen by some as less than half the level it was six years ago.

No surprise there either, UK can't uphold significant car manufacture on domestic market alone and was hardly ever a car exporter of the level of the Germans or even French.

Only merit in either of those producing in the UK having been lower UK production costs, so that they could serve the European market at more competitive levels than home production, but such favourable production facilities can long sine be found elsewhere, and within the EU to boot.

But the die-hards can still be heard that all of this shamble is due to the pandemic having decreased domestic demand, and never, never, ever, ever anything to do with Brexit.

 

[PeteEU]

Audi make real cars anyway, compared to the XJs from even before Jaguar became Indian.

.......................and UK car manufacturing output is seen by some as less than half the level it was six years ago.

No surprise there either, UK can't uphold significant car manufacture on domestic market alone and was hardly ever a car exporter of the level of the Germans or even French.

Only merit in either of those producing in the UK having been lower UK production costs, so that they could serve the European market at more competitive levels than home production, but such favourable production facilities can long sine be found elsewhere, and within the EU to boot.

But the die-hards can still be heard that all of this shamble is due to the pandemic having decreased domestic demand, and never, never, ever, ever anything to do with Brexit.

And since there are no checks at the border going into the UK, then British companies are finding it easier to move most of the production or even the whole company to the EU and then export into the UK.

Also smuggling of guns and drugs into the UK has exploded because there are next to no checks on goods.

 

[joluoto]

And since there are no checks at the border going into the UK, then British companies are finding it easier to move most of the production or even the whole company to the EU and then export into the UK.

Also smuggling of guns and drugs into the UK has exploded because there are next to no checks on goods.

There are only supposed to be less checks when it comes to food and medicine, BUT the reality is Britain has just not implemented the checks they were supposed to implement, meaning people can illegally (yes against British law) bring in whatever unchecked, because Britain is not enforcing controls on their borders.

 

[PeteEU]

There are only supposed to be less checks when it comes to food and medicine, BUT the reality is Britain has just not implemented the checks they were supposed to implement, meaning people can illegally (yes against British law) bring in whatever unchecked, because Britain is not enforcing controls on their borders.

Actually the checks were supposed to be like the EU does the other way. The UK are not only in breach of UK law, the EU-UK agreement, but more importantly in breach of WTO rules.

 

[Sven Karma]

Time for some hard truths: the Tories should have stuck with Boris Johnson | Owen Jones

He was a disaster as PM, but without him it’s looking like electoral oblivion for Britain’s ‘natural party of government’, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

www.theguardian.com

 

[joluoto]

Time for some hard truths: the Tories should have stuck with Boris Johnson | Owen Jones

He was a disaster as PM, but without him it’s looking like electoral oblivion for Britain’s ‘natural party of government’, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

www.theguardian.com

Hahahahaha, no, BoJo was done, the scandals were just piling up. Their big mistake was electing peabrain Liz Truss as his successor, not in removing Johnson. Sunak was not really a great option, but at least he is boring and won't destroy them as much as Boris and Liz.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Time for some hard truths: the Tories should have stuck with Boris Johnson | Owen Jones

He was a disaster as PM, but without him it’s looking like electoral oblivion for Britain’s ‘natural party of government’, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

www.theguardian.com

Nothing could have stopped the avalanche of shit once the ball got rolling.