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[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

How will Brexit go?

  • The EU will continue to grow but will change to address the feelings that drove Brexit.

    Votes: 13 11.4%

  • The EU will continue to grow but will not address the feelings that drove Brexit

    Votes: 16 14.0%

  • The EU will see more countries pulling out after we leave.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • The UK will break up as a consequence of Brexit.

    Votes: 26 22.8%

  • The UK will still hold after all is done and dusted.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • There’ll be a second Brexit related referendum. (Independence / Brexit etc)

    Votes: 22 19.3%

  • We’ll end up with soft Brexit and end up staying within EFTA.

    Votes: 18 15.8%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit, a disaster ending with WTO rules.

    Votes: 29 25.4%

  • We'll have a Hard Brexit which will be a success, even under WTO rules

    Votes: 18 15.8%
  • Total voters
    114
joluoto said:
Post-Brexit: Chances of EU and UK changing deal 'slim', report claims

Tend to agree with this. No chance of any new deals anytime soon. The EU does not feel it needs one, and UK might need one more than the EU, but this government doesn't want one for political reasons.
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Good way of avoiding rejection is to not ask.

Bit like the teenage kid having been denied permission by both parents to stay out later at night and then poutingly declaring
that it doesn't want to come home later anyway.
 
Lest we forget:

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Instead.. We got rivers full of shit (no EU regulation) Tax dodgers No EU regulation) And lawless government... No..

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Johnson is sitting on the sympathetic friend he put in charge of the BBC, Rishi Sunak is the rubber ring supporting Nadim Zahawi, who "resolved" his tax dodging with HMRC (revenue and Customs) AFTER he was put in charge of it by Sunak!
 
joluoto said:
Von der Leyen and Sunak to meet in London for talks over the Northern Ireland Protocol

It's happening!!

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So whatever the deal they will come up with the ERG and the DUP will vote against it on principle. Sunak of course can just rely on Opposition votes to push it through, however that will split the Tories even more.
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There won't be a "new" deal as it is still the withdrawal agreement from what..6 years ago. This is just more specifics, but since the British have not lived up to the withdrawal agreement, them not sure anyone can trust them.
 
PeteEU said:
There won't be a "new" deal as it is still the withdrawal agreement from what..6 years ago. This is just more specifics, but since the British have not lived up to the withdrawal agreement, them not sure anyone can trust them.
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It might finally put the whole Northern Ireland Protocol question to rest, if basically another version with a few minor changes passes Parliament. Sure the ERG can still complain, so can and will the DUP. But with a Tory government passing the Protocol once again, it's settled.
 
I believe the new protocol has to be voted through by the presently nonexistent NI assembly, so good luck with that.
 
I can't see Von der Leyen making the trip unless there's something there to sign. Could be that Sunak has bowed to the inevitable and sold the ERG/DUP down the river.
There has already been a police inspector shot last week as hints of the Troubles raise their head. There can be no border on the island of Ireland.
 
Sven Karma said:
I believe the new protocol has to be voted through by the presently nonexistent NI assembly, so good luck with that.
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It would have majority support in the Stormont, but right now the DUP is blocking the Stormont from existing, so there is that. Hoever at some point there will have to be another election in NI, the situation with nothing being done can't continue forever. Not sure if it will help though, even if the DUP lose more support (plausible) they would still be the largest Unionist party and thus have power to block everything.
 
Sven Karma said:
I believe the new protocol has to be voted through by the presently nonexistent NI assembly, so good luck with that.
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...and there we have it.

Without a speaker, the election of whom DUP will continue to block, Stormont can't sit.

Well, not in any legislative manner, that is.
 
PeteEU said:
There won't be a "new" deal as it is still the withdrawal agreement from what..6 years ago. This is just more specifics, but since the British have not lived up to the withdrawal agreement, them not sure anyone can trust them.
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I posit that the EU finds reason to trust this Sunak gubmint more than the previous one of the pathological liar and the dim-witted twit that briefly followed him.

Not to mention the unspeakable "Lord of Frost".

As was to be expected, Sunak is currently crediting himself (in the Commons) with having made the EU back down, but he mentioned that only briefly, clearly also needing to play to parts of his gallery while keeping the lid on any further rhetoric of such nature.

By what I hear from Brussels, the general attitude there seems to be that "if they want to declare themselves as the winners, we don't really care. Main thing for us is that this whole crap finally gets off the table with no further threat to the Good Friday Accord".

Congratulations to the N. Irish on now getting their Brit sausages back (roars of laughter from the opposition benches when Sunak brought that up).
 
Chagos said:
I posit that the EU finds reason to trust this Sunak gubmint more than the previous one of the pathological liar and the dim-witted twit that briefly followed him.

Not to mention the unspeakable "Lord of Frost".

As was to be expected, Sunak is currently crediting himself (in the Commons) with having made the EU back down, but he mentioned that only briefly, clearly also needing to play to parts of his gallery while keeping the lid on any further rhetoric of such nature.

By what I hear from Brussels, the general attitude there seems to be that "if they want to declare themselves as the winners, we don't really care. Main thing for us is that this whole crap finally gets off the table with no further threat to the Good Friday Accord".

Congratulations to the N. Irish on now getting their Brit sausages back (roars of laughter from the opposition benches when Sunak brought that up).
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What has happened is that the UK agrees to follow the agreement they already signed. Nothing else.
 
Steve Baker is now claiming this is a "brilliant deal", so it seems the ERG is folding.
 
joluoto said:
Steve Baker is now claiming this is a "brilliant deal", so it seems the ERG is folding.
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He kinda has to, he's in the Govt NI department now.
 
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