[W:691] Gun control

[Howard the Duck]

Are there ANY common sense gun control laws you would consider voting for? If so, vote YES in this poll. If not? Vote no.

Please provide examples of laws you might consider.

I'll share my feelings in a couple of hours so that I don't influence the result.

 

[Howard the Duck]

https://www.politifact.com/wisconsi...americans-support-background-checks-all-gun-/

 

[Skeptic Bob]

You mean in addition to what we already have?

 

[Beaudreaux]

Depends on the definition of common sense. It's been my observation that true good sense is not all that common when it comes to proposals for "gun control" from those that want to eliminate law abiding citizen's 2nd Amendment rights.

 

[TurtleDude]

to pro rights posters: Common sense means laws that

a) target harmful actions and try to punish those who harm others

b) aren't intended to harass honest people

examples

1) punishing violet felons by criminalizing

a) felons, fugitives, etc from possessing firearms
b) using a firearm to facilitate a crime of violence such as kidnapping, rape and robbery

2) criminalizing reckless or dangerous USE Of firearms

a) such as prohibiting the discharge of firearms in a residential area or a business district
b) using or carrying firearms while drunk or high

To members of the Anti-rights coalition, common sense gun laws

1) help politicians pander to the public

a) to respond to slow witted members of the public who scream for answers after a perplexing tragedy
b) to DO SOMETHING even if its not effective
c) to appeal to emotional outbursts by the public;

2) harass honest gun owners but not so much the authors will lose elections
3) in some cases, to make the lives of criminals easier

So when you ask about common sense, you best define the term

 

[Rucker61]

Tricky poll to answer. For one, I don't live in a country where I would actually get to vote directly for new laws. Two, the term "common sense" is used by GCAs when they don't have data to support their decision, and you would have been better serve leaving the dog whistle description out of the question.

Laws I would like to see changed:

1. Allow direct access to NICS for private transfers.
2. National reciprocity for CCW
3. Mandated reporting into NICS for states.
4. Eliminate NFA 1934 for Class III weapons and suppressors.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Yes, greatly enhanced sentencing for the criminal use/possession of any weapon. Another good start would be to prosecute folks (as advertised?) for lying (making a false statement) on form 4473. Folks must keep in mind that laws do not ever prevent crime - they can only be used to punish those that, after due process of law, were found guilty of committing crime.

 

[Nap]

I voted Yes, the list in Ruckers's post #6 are common sense gun control laws I would support.

Now if by common sense you mean ignorant policies such as banning semi-automatic rifles and gun free zones, then no as they are idiotic.

 

[TurtleDude]

I voted Yes, the list in Ruckers's post #6 are common sense gun control laws I would support.

Now if by common sense you mean ignorant policies such as banning semi-automatic rifles and gun free zones, then no as they are idiotic.

Pro rights people want to impede criminals

Anti rights people mainly want to punish gun owners so its all about the definitions

 

[Common Sense 1]

Something like project Exile from coast to coast.

If a felon uses a firearm in the commission of a crime they get 10 years for having the weapon.
Then tack on the other time for what ever crime was committed. And make them serve their
time in a different state.

Penalize the criminal not the law abiding citizen.

 

[Xelor]

Are there ANY common sense gun control laws you would consider voting for? If so, vote YES in this poll. If not? Vote no.

Please provide examples of laws you might consider.

I'll share my feelings in a couple of hours so that I don't influence the result.

Red:
One form of law that I'd cotton to is not a gun control law but rather a gun-ownership accountability law.

 

[Nap]

Pro rights people want to impede criminals

Anti rights people mainly want to punish gun owners so its all about the definitions

While I largely agree with the sentiment, I don't feel that helps the discussion and merely makes it harder to reach out to those who actually do want to solve issues while respecting individual rights. For instance, in my opinion you are likely one of, if not the most knowledgeable person on this site in regards to firearms. Due to your rhetoric however many are able to use it against you and simply dismiss you as a "gun nut". I think explaining why private citizens having direct access to NICS for private sales can close the gaslighted "gun show loop hole" and allow for universal background checks without needing to create a government registration. This way everyone comes away feeling satisfied without needing anyone's rights infringed any further.

 

[Perotista]

Are there ANY common sense gun control laws you would consider voting for? If so, vote YES in this poll. If not? Vote no.

Please provide examples of laws you might consider.

I'll share my feelings in a couple of hours so that I don't influence the result.

The problem is what one considers common sense another doesn't and vice versa. A so called common sense gun law is subjective. I'm the kind who is even against registration of guns. Far as I'm concerned it is nobody's business to include the government to know what guns I own if I own any.

 

[TurtleDude]

While I largely agree with the sentiment, I don't feel that helps the discussion and merely makes it harder to reach out to those who actually do want to solve issues while respecting individual rights. For instance, in my opinion you are likely one of, if not the most knowledgeable person on this site in regards to firearms. Due to your rhetoric however many are able to use it against you and simply dismiss you as a "gun nut". I think explaining why private citizens having direct access to NICS for private sales can close the gaslighted "gun show loop hole" and allow for universal background checks without needing to create a government registration. This way everyone comes away feeling satisfied without needing anyone's rights infringed any further.

I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem forcing Me to go to a dealer-pay 40 dollars to run a check so I can lend someone I know well a gun. universal background checks are worthless as crime control

 

[TurtleDude]

Red:
One form of law that I'd cotton to is not a gun control law but rather a gun-ownership accountability law.

harassment of gun owners is what that is all about

 

[Nap]

I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem forcing Me to go to a dealer-pay 40 dollars to run a check so I can lend someone I know well a gun. universal background checks are worthless as crime control

Hence why you should have access to NICS database so you wouldn't need to. We have the technology that the government could easily make a phone app that everyone could instantly have access and check against the system with no cost to the gun owner. This way we have universal background checks and outside of a few clicks on a webpage or phone app you are not inconvenienced.

 

[Nap]

Red:
One form of law that I'd cotton to is not a gun control law but rather a gun-ownership accountability law.

Not just no, but hell no......

 

[TurtleDude]

Hence why you should have access to NICS database so you wouldn't need to. We have the technology that the government could easily make a phone app that everyone could instantly have access and check against the system with no cost to the gun owner. This way we have universal background checks and outside of a few clicks on a webpage or phone app you are not inconvenienced.

UBGCs are feel good legislative schemes. WE don't even prosecute felons caught lying on form 4473

do you really think UBGCs will stop criminals getting guns or do you feel that by supporting this tripe you will appear more reasonable to those who are anti gun?

 

[TurtleDude]

Not just no, but hell no......

He wants people getting 30 years in prison if someone steals their gun and then kills someone.

 

[molten_dragon]

Yes. A good example would be opening the NICS system to the public and requiring a check for all gun sales/transfers.

 

[ttwtt78640]

While I largely agree with the sentiment, I don't feel that helps the discussion and merely makes it harder to reach out to those who actually do want to solve issues while respecting individual rights. For instance, in my opinion you are likely one of, if not the most knowledgeable person on this site in regards to firearms. Due to your rhetoric however many are able to use it against you and simply dismiss you as a "gun nut". I think explaining why private citizens having direct access to NICS for private sales can close the gaslighted "gun show loop hole" and allow for universal background checks without needing to create a government registration. This way everyone comes away feeling satisfied without needing anyone's rights infringed any further.

A very simple system would be to (optionally and upon request only?) run a NICS BCG on every adult when getting/renewing their state issued, photo ID - those that pass get their ID stamped "GUN OK". Such a system would allow anyone to quickly and easily determine if transferring a gun or ammo to that person is (likely) legal - they are a state resident and (likely) not a prohibited person. Not a perfect system, and I will admit that, but the overhead is low and it is far better than the 'blind' private intrastate sales (sometimes called the "gun show loophole") that we have now or the forced registration required to ensure 'universal' compliance.

 

[Anarchon]

 

[Nap]

UBGCs are feel good legislative schemes. WE don't even prosecute felons caught lying on form 4473

do you really think UBGCs will stop criminals getting guns or do you feel that by supporting this tripe you will appear more reasonable to those who are anti gun?

I agree with you completely, however this takes away much of their talking points as that is a plan that allows UBGCs that even gun owners can be on board with and if you package it with say a national CCW then you have a legislative victory that everyone can walk away from with a win.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Hence why you should have access to NICS database so you wouldn't need to. We have the technology that the government could easily make a phone app that everyone could instantly have access and check against the system with no cost to the gun owner. This way we have universal background checks and outside of a few clicks on a webpage or phone app you are not inconvenienced.

Even that would not deter straw purchases and would raise privacy concerns - how would anyone know why citizen X is getting the personal NICS data on citizen Y via the handy 'NICS BGC phone app'?

 

[Nap]

A very simple system would be to (optionally and upon request only?) run a NICS BCG on every adult when getting/renewing their state issued, photo ID - those that pass get their ID stamped "GUN OK". Such a system would allow anyone to quickly and easily determine if transferring a gun or ammo to that person is (likely) legal - they are a state resident and (likely) not a prohibited person. Not a perfect system, and I will admit that, but the overhead is low and it is far better than the 'blind' private intrastate sales (sometimes called the "gun show loophole") that we have now or the forced registration required to ensure 'universal' compliance.

I was for something similar, but just giving private citizens access to the database accomplishes the same thing but with even less hassle.