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[W:#690]McCarthy falls short in first vote for House speaker

This is story of adamantine stubbornness.

And stubbornness is often foolishness.
 
Cardinal said:
"Howling" in this context is a new term that's entered discourse to describe impotent screams of outrage. Think of that picture of the girl screaming at the sky that conservatives post every opportunity they get.

So, yes, if McCarthy made a promise to Democrats and then broke it (and he would), that would be owning the libs.
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Howling Hawley, Kamikaze Kruz, and Sham Scott are all up in 2024 for the Senate. MT’s Rep. Rosendale is a never-MqQ and potential opponent of Tester. The Senate will be tough.
 
Chomsky said:
After watching this Speaker mess play-out this morning, I'm becoming convinced we are watching a fight over the repudiation of MAGA within the Republican Party.

Republican legislators are no longer afraid of Donald Trump, and they are standing behind McCarthy to stand against the radical hardcore Trump MAGA faction.

I really couldn't get a handle on it earlier, as it made no sense, but now it finally occurred to me as to what's really going-on. It's radical MAGA repudiation. Trump no longer controls the party.
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We can only hope that sanity will return to the republican party.
 
MTAtech said:
They adjourned until 8PM. My guess is when they return, McCarthy, who hasn't gained a single vote in six votes, will withdraw.
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I thought there was some headway when Chip Roy announced there was progress in their talks earlier today, but then I see how he and the same members voted in the 5th and 6th rounds and it seems like nothing's changed.
 
6 time looser

This is precious lol
 
jpn said:
If my job was to be forced to watch the other party self-destruct, I'd drink too. (But they aren't, of course.)

Actually, installing a bar in the chamber might go a long way toward getting some bipartisan cooperation going.
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UK Houses of Parliament have a few infamous bars. There may be bi-partisan cooperation, also a lot of fights and sexual harassment.

Cardinal said:
That's what I've thought, but I'm coming around to the idea that the holdouts are deadly serious about denying McCarthy for its own sake.
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It's basically the 'Ulster says No' strategy of Rev. Ian Pais!ey and his unionists re the Good Friday Agreement, and nowadays the NI assembly not having had an actual government for several years.
 
soap box said:
This is story of adamantine stubbornness.

And stubbornness is often foolishness.
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It makes more sense when there's a clear cause, but what Boebert stated earlier about the reasons her and the others weren't going along, it was a missing the forest for the trees moment. It also reveals what future "negotiations" are going to look like for the House regardless of who is Speaker. What will be interesting to see is how any of this changes the dynamic in the Senate, because it does seem like the GOP members there are looking at this fiasco's impact on the party going forward.
 
Peter said:
We can only hope that sanity will return to the republican party.
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I not holding my breath

It's not the party I voted for in 84 and 88

The crazy fringe is in charge

And McCarthy is toast

Damn this is comedy gold
 
Lycanthrope said:
Given that the Trumplican Party's agenda amounts to little more than division and revenge, let them continue to fling feces at each other. At least this is entertaining.
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Republicans Beat McCarty Like a Drum.,6 times. Florida Man sez, vote for Kevin, he might be okay
 
FAKE NEWS!


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Lycanthrope said:
Trump's GOP: Losers, Liars, & Loons
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So much for Trumps endorsement

Gawd I hope Trump is the 2024 nominee

Easy win for Biden 2024, Joe is old but best the option for a rematch
 
Chomsky said:
I wasn't aware of the exact numbers, but I very much have sensed the shift to anti-MAGA.

Yes, you describe it well - there is no united anti-MAGA faction within the Republican Party, though that might change depending how DeSantis positions himself. Though I doubt DeSantis specifically goes "anti-MAGA". I suspect he will position himself as an evolution of the movement.

As to finding unified anti-Trump plurality, you need to go to the Dems! ;)

(I assure you Dems will label the GOP as MAGA even as DeSantis takes the reigns!)
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The non-MAGA Republicans are tired of losing. MAGA lost the house in 2018, lost the presidency and the senate in 2020. Then what should have been a red wave in 2022 turned into a red trickle. One could argue that 2022 was a blue trickle. The Dems gained a senate seat, 2 governor seats while limiting the house loses to 9 seats. The historical average when a president was hovering around 42% overall job approval, Biden was at 42%, is the loss of 48.5 house seats, 6 senators, 4.25 governorships.

MAGA is only going to make a statement, probably win primaries, but lose general elections. I consider 2022 to be a Democratic Victory, perhaps even a huge victory when comparing what happened to the historical average. A GOP gain of 9 house seats instead of 48, a loss of 1 senate seat instead of a gain of 6 and a loss of 2 governorships instead of a gain of 4. Rounding here. All because of Trump.

On DeSantis, he’s on Trump enemies list. He can keep quite about Trump, tip toe around him much like Youngkin in Virginia. DeSantis is very political savvy; he doesn’t have Trump’s baggage or dislike. DeSantis can attract and win the independent vote, Trump can’t. DeSantis acts and behaves like a presidential candidate should instead of a 4-year-old spoiled brat. If DeSantis can win the GOP nomination for 2024, I’d say he’d be favored over Biden and over Harris looking at the favorable/unfavorable ratings. But there’s a long way to go.
 
Brack said:
At least 40% of Arizona Republicans are MAGA Republicans. That's how Kari Lake and Mark Finchem were nominated by AZ GOP Primary voters.
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Having the largest faction within a political party is a huge asset even if it is just a plurality. Especially if the rest are divided on who they support. Trump won the Republican nomination back in 2016 with 35% of the vote, but he won primary after primary because he had a united faction, the largest faction, while everyone else was supporting different candidates dividing up the rest of the 65% of the vote. They could decide on a candidate to oppose Trump. All wanted their candidate and no one else. The rest is history as they say.
 
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There you go, this should be over real soon 🍾🥂
 
jpn said:
If my job was to be forced to watch the other party self-destruct, I'd drink too. (But they aren't, of course.)

Actually, installing a bar in the chamber might go a long way toward getting some bipartisan cooperation going.
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I'd rather see them breaking out a well loaded hookah.
 
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