[W:5949][W:1030]***Official January 6 Public Hearings Thread***

[Quag]

Its hardly one sided....all of the witnesses have been Republicans.

Technically that is kinda one sided just not the way the whiners want to portray it

 

[dobieg]

Its hardly one sided....all of the witnesses have been Republicans.

Called by the Democrats.

I suppose in your world in any criminal proceedeings we no longer need defense attornies. We'll just let prosecutors determine which witnesses they want to allow.

 

[Quag]

The committee has done a really good job at presenting that to avoid the "b..b..but they're all Democrats!" rebuttal that would have almost happened had those witnesses been anyone else. You still see this happening with the RINO label being thrown around, but it's a pretty ineffective deflection and further paints detractors into a self imposed corner. Thus far the only defense Trump has mounted is the standard fare of "Witch Hunt!" nonsense that changes nothing and looks far less credible given what we've heard so far; yesterday made things even worse for him.

What I find interesting is the GOP could take this opportunity to excise him building off of what's been exposed to date. It's pretty easy to paint Trump's actions as a highly un-American and appeal to voters' sense of patriotism; one which should make tossing someone who plotted to use the government to upend an election straight to the curb. The opposite seems to be happening, so I guess they're just going to double down on dumb.

You forget the Trumplican party is run by media personalities, such as Tucker and Hannity. The GOP (if it even exists anymore) can try to throw Trump under the bus but the talking heads will just turn on them and send the cult along with pitchforks and torches

 

[dobieg]

No matter how many times and ways you try to attack the committee for perceived or actual unfairness, nothing changes the fact that the witnesses have been pro-Trump inner circle Republicans. Not Democrat hacks. Not anti-Trump Republicans with an axe to grind. Pro-Trump Republicans who remained loyal to him right up to the point that they finally had to choose between him and their country.

Given what the Banana Republicans did to ensure the committee would be partisan, and given the fact that nobody has taped Trump's mouth shut or cut off his internet & phone service, and given the fact that Trump can make the news any time he wants, nobody should give any sympathy for any perceived or actual unfairness in this committee. They've layed out a damning case so far, and Trump has the means to defend himself but has chosen not to.

A damning one sided case with no defense or cross examination.


You know, those pesky little things that make us different than tyrannical dictatorships.

 

[ElChupacabra]

That's apples and oranges because, at least to my knowledge, nobody other than Trump has a "documented history of seeking to overturn presidential elections" through fraudulent means. Everyone else exercised their rights within the law and then conceded when it didn't go their way. Trump on the other hand went beyond the law after his court cases failed and tried to defraud the United States.

Lest we forget the 2000 Brooks Brother's "riot". At the time I was surprised it would get to that point, but clearly the idea of interfering in an election by trying to physically stop the process was not a new idea this go around, and the architect of that event in 2000 has still been in the ear of the former president.

 

[Binary_Digit]

The committee has done a really good job at presenting that to avoid the "b..b..but they're all Democrats!" rebuttal that would have almost happened had those witnesses been anyone else. You still see this happening with the RINO label being thrown around, but it's a pretty ineffective deflection and further paints detractors into a self imposed corner. Thus far the only defense Trump has mounted is the standard fare of "Witch Hunt!" nonsense that changes nothing and looks far less credible given what we've heard so far; yesterday made things even worse for him.

What I find interesting is the GOP could take this opportunity to excise him building off of what's been exposed to date. It's pretty easy to paint Trump's actions as a highly un-American and appeal to voters' sense of patriotism; one which should make tossing someone who plotted to use the government to upend an election straight to the curb. The opposite seems to be happening, so I guess they're just going to double down on dumb.

"Self imposed corner" totally nails it. They held water for Trump's Big Lie, convincing his base that the lies actually had merit. Now they're stuck with the monster they created, with millions of voters still convinced that the election was stolen. They have little choice but to hold their nose and deal with Trump's stink, otherwise they'll lose the Trump voter base that they themselves created.

 

[CaughtInThe]

You forget the Trumplican party is run by media personalities, such as Tucker and Hannity. The GOP (if it even exists anymore) can try to throw Trump under the bus but the talking heads will just turn on them and send the cult along with pitchforks and torches

Yes, the Republican media machine which includes Fox News and previously Rush Limbaugh, helped create all this extremism that we see today. Without Rush and Fox I don't think we see Americans try to take over the Capital of the United States and stop the peaceful transfer of power from one winning candidate and from the losing candidate.

 

[The Hairy Fiddler]

The evidence is overwhelming. Trump is a multi faceted criminal. What is Merrill's problem here? Get the ball running and get the man off our streets.

 

[Binary_Digit]

A damning one sided case with no defense or cross examination.

Empty whining devoid of context is neither convincing nor honest.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I hope at least one of you guys have been keeping track of all the diversions from the right on here, on social media and on Fox news.

Please tell me that someone is documenting it.

 

[dobieg]

Empty whining devoid of context is neither convincing nor honest.

What context for witnesses that are not cross examined?



Talk about dishonest.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[ElChupacabra]

You forget the Trumplican party is run by media personalities, such as Tucker and Hannity. The GOP (if it even exists anymore) can try to throw Trump under the bus but the talking heads will just turn on them and send the cult along with pitchforks and torches

I would argue that it certainly does, but what it doesn't seem to be doing is taking the risk of alienating the MAGA crowd.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Quag]

I would argue that it certainly does, but what it doesn't seem to be doing is taking the risk of alienating the MAGA crowd.

When they take on the Trumplican talking points they are no longer the GOP they are QOP. When they go against the Trumplicans they are branded as RINOs.

 

[Binary_Digit]

What context for witnesses that are not cross examined?

Talk about dishonest.

It's for the court of public opinion. Trump has chosen not to refute any of the witness testimony. He'll get a defense and cross examination if/when he actually goes to trial. Till then, witness testimony under oath is all we have. And it's more credible than you're making it out to be.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Michael Cole]

Funny how the Trumpists can't defend ANY of the evidence, so they try to pretend that Trump's side isn't being argued because......democrats!

Indeed. Pure insanity.

"The committee is one-sided."

"Then go testify."

"I'm not gonna testify to a one-sided committee."

Self-actualizing insanity.

 

[ElChupacabra]

"Self imposed corner" totally nails it. They held water for Trump's Big Lie, convincing his base that the lies actually had merit. Now they're stuck with the monster they created, with millions of voters still convinced that the election was stolen. They have little choice but to hold their nose and deal with Trump's stink, otherwise they'll lose the Trump voter base that they themselves created.

Exactly, and I felt this way about the GOP when they circled the wagons around him during the impeachment trials. Of course, it shouldn't be surprising a political party rallies around its president, but Trump was never one of them; it's why the "monster they created" is an apt description of what they have enabled.

 

[dobieg]

It's for the court of public opinion. Trump has chosen not to refute any of the witness testimony. He'll get a defense and cross examination if/when he actually goes to trial. Till then, witness testimony under oath is all we have. And it's more credible than you're making it out to be.

Sorry, they aren't witnesses unless they are cross examined. As it stands, they are simply propoganda pieces.

 

[Michael Cole]

the reason why there is no counter narrative is because the committee is made up of people who do not like trump

That's right! That damn 9/11 commission DID NOT give Osama Bin Laden equal time!!!

Whether a criminal is liked or hated is irrelevant to the fact he is, indeed, a criminal.

**** everyone's feelings.

and do not want trump as president and maybe want him in jail.
nobody is playing a devils advocate.
if you want a counter-narrative (which people who might be interested in facts ought) then pelosi should have seated the appointees of mccarthy.

 

[Binary_Digit]

Sorry, they aren't witnesses unless they are cross examined. As it stands, they are simply propoganda pieces.

They testified under oath, subject to charges of perjury and the threat of imprisonment for lying. They are witnesses. Your semantic game here is dishonest.

 

[dobieg]

Indeed. Pure insanity.

"The committee is one-sided."

"Then go testify."

"I'm not gonna testify to a one-sided committee."

Self-actualizing insanity.

Comical.

No one in their right mind would submit to testifying in a hearing where the questions come from only one side and that side is completely hostile.


I'd ask if liberals are batshit insane but I think we already know the answer.

 

[CaughtInThe]

come on. who DIDN'T know that a trump presidency would be this corrupt and anti-democratic????

 

[CaughtInThe]

They testified under oath, subject to charges of perjury and the threat of imprisonment for lying. They are witnesses. Your semantic game here is dishonest.

hey, the cult has to try everything and see if anything can gain traction.

it's literally required when you're in a cult.