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[W:583] Political Compass Thread

Interesting........strange questions..........but here it is.

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The compass isn't entirely accurate or useful. I'm opposed to a huge majority of government activity in the economic sphere, but I favor syndicalist and co-operative economic structures over corporate ventures. There's no way to reflect that on the compass.
 
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No surprise.
 
Took it again to see if i have changed at all.
Not surprising but i haven't.
Basically stayed in the same place
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<b>My Political Views</b><br>I am a left moderate social libertarian<br>Left: 5.29, Libertarian: 2.62<br><img src="http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/grid/9x25.gif"><br><a href="http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html">Political Spectrum Quiz</a><br>
That's not exactly surprising:lol:...
 
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Not completely accurate. I should be a lot farther to the right. A lot of the questions were way to ambiguous to accurately measure anything. But I'm in the right corner.
 
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As expected, left libertarian.
 
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I'm like a lesser version of gandhi, little more left than liberatarian moderate/medium

Whats interesting is both Romney and Obama are considered right and authoritarian, funny Romney's even more authoritarian and speaks of less government (not really trying to pick fights at the moment just stating an interesting fact).

I think we need candidates that more even more middle than Obama and Obama to pick from, instead of the extreme upper right like Romney.
 
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shiang said:
The Political Compass - Test
Whats interesting is both Romney and Obama are considered right and authoritarian, funny Romney's even more authoritarian and speaks of less government (not really trying to pick fights at the moment just stating an interesting fact).
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Those who made the test are extreme liberals. Just look at the comments under the article, or look at the New Zealand article for that matter. They have no credibility, and their test is not very good either. I sent them an email about the article about New Zealand, because it lacks quality and I got no response even when I tried to follow up.

To make sense about how stupid their placements are, then think about this. We know that from left to right we have the order
Obama < Clinton < Bloomberg < Huntsman < Romney
However the people making the test put them next each other, that is clearly impossible? The creators of the test are defending it by saying they also look at policy. However, that is silly because Obama can not do what he wants.

I have done the test with both Obama and Romney and these are my results. If you are complaining about Obama being too far right compared to yourself, then remember that you are not too far away from my placement, and I'm certainly more right wing than Obama. You may have gotten further right by picking yes to for instance that inflation is more important than unemployment. Or maybe you believe no media institutions should recieve funding.

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I disagree, on a lot of issues Clinton is more liberal than Obama. As a nation we all know we lean to the right, we'r more of a traditions and value based country certainly at least compare to Europe.

It's hard to see for conservatives but Obama actually compromises a lot and gives in to republican ideas.

One of the best examples is off shore drilling. I think it's a terrible idea and oil is the energy of the last century and we should focus on nuclear. Clinton on the other hand would more likely oppose off shore drilling.

The self test thing can't be right cause I know I'm more liberal than Obama and I was only 3-4 squares to the left and down. It's most likely you lean right =P.

Odds are the most accurate positions some where between the test makers and your's I think on a global scale Obama is slightly to the right and up. I think Romney's pretty extreme on a lot of issues and is put in the right place by the test makers.

BTW how do you post pictures here?
 
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shiang said:
I disagree, on a lot of issues Clinton is more liberal than Obama. As a nation we all know we lean to the right, we'r more of a traditions and value based country certainly at least compare to Europe.
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No he isn't. Take a look at what Clinton agreed to during his term such as NAFTA, welfare reform, and lower spending. That is not issues which would happened very easy during the current administration. America may lean right compared to the rest of the world, but Obama doesn't. Why do you think he is so popular in Europe?

It's hard to see for conservatives but Obama actually compromises a lot and gives in to republican ideas.
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I just said he did. He has to compromise, he is not doing it for fun. To compromise do not mean you are less left wing, it just means you are more pragmatical.

One of the best examples is off shore drilling. I think it's a terrible idea and oil is the energy of the last century and we should focus on nuclear. Clinton on the other hand would more likely oppose off shore drilling.
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In your dreams. Clinton would never sacrifice the wealth for a small case like that. All countries do off shore drilling, not just US. Norway has plenty, and is quite left wing.


The self test thing can't be right cause I know I'm more liberal than Obama and I was only 3-4 squares to the left and down. It's most likely you lean right =P.
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You were close to me. You obviously responded quite wrong, or else you would have been further left. As i said you may have responded that no media institutions should get public funding or that inflation is more important than unemployment. Obama would definitely answer strongly agree and strongly disagree.
 
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my results pretending to be Obama

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so ya that 1 is probably slightly off he's more central then upper right.

Can't be that conservative and fascist and get a Nobel peace prize =P. Something I though he had no business being awarded.

...and ya Dali Lama is know to be a liberal so I guess if you had a mouse clicked a little to the bottom left of Dali Lama (by maybe 2 squares) and expanded it to the bottom left you'd have a pretty American based view of left and right.

It is funny a few people tested well to the left and bottom of the Dali Lama probably did answer a few questions without much thought.
 
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It's funny too, communism is viewed as all the way to the left, especially by republicans. Yet Hu Jing Tao (chairmen of China) is even more to the right (conservative) and quite a bit to the top (authoritarian no surprise here) of Romney.
 
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No i was well aware of what I was answering not "guessing at stuff" cause i'm under educated. I'm by no means extreme. Tell you what I'll go take the test and pretend I'm Obama and Romney and see what I get.
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I think there is quite a few issues you haven't thought about. Reality is, is that you didn't get very far away from me and you state that you are to the left of Obama. Then obviously you have been voting right wing on issues you don't really know much about, or just been unlucky on the issues that came up.


This is what I got for Romney to the best of my ability
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Hardly, the only way you could get that is if you believe he is evil and don't care about people around him.

And you are wrong. For instance I am sure you voted strongly agree on no regulations on business when Romney has been pretty clear he want enviromental regulation. And what did you vote on protectionism. You know he is in favour of protectionism against China right? Also, Romney is a favour of charity, so he oviously doesn't think the only social responsibility of a company is to provide money to the shareholders. He certainly do agree with having laws against monopolies.

You see, you didn't vote for what he says. You are voting for what you think he believes.
 
shiang said:
It's funny too, communism is viewed as all the way to the left, especially by republicans. Yet Hu Jing Tao (chairmen of China) is even more to the right (conservative) and quite a bit to the top (authoritarian no surprise here) of Romney.
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First off, China is not a communist country.

Secondly as pointed out their analysis is complete BS. I mean Zuma is far right according to them. This is a very recent quote by Zuma
"The voice of the Socialist International must be heard today more than any other time before, particularly, because of the challenges that face the world today - on matters of governance, on matters of rights of people, on matters of democracy, on matters of economic development and indeed on matters of poverty, inequality and unemployment that face the world," says Zuma.
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Also what makes Hollande so different from all of the other European leaders? They are pretty much saying that Hollande has a lot more in common with Chavez than Merkel. How many times times can I say it. The people who made this test and the subsequent analysis are angry leftists. They have absolutely no legitimacy. Just because some idiots have placed leaders on a map does not mean it is their actual position.
 
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I think there is quite a few issues you haven't thought about. Reality is, is that you didn't get very far away from me and you state that you are to the left of Obama. Then obviously you have been voting right wing on issues you don't really know much about, or just been unlucky on the issues that came up.



Hardly, the only way you could get that is if you believe he is evil and don't care about people around him.

And you are wrong. For instance I am sure you voted strongly agree on no regulations on business when Romney has been pretty clear he want enviromental regulation. And what did you vote on protectionism. You know he is in favour of protectionism against China right? Also, Romney is a favour of charity, so he oviously doesn't think the only social responsibility of a company is to provide money to the shareholders. He certainly do agree with having laws against monopolies.

You see, you didn't vote for what he says. You are voting for what you think he believes.
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We must be talking about a different Romney. I'm talking about the one that said “President Obama promised to slow the rise of the oceans and to heal the planet. My promise is to help you and your family.”
Protectionism for your own nation against another puts you more to the right.
I answered the question based on what he's done and believes, yes, not by what his adds say.

Now if you have evidence that he supports environmental regulation for business. From either company policies he's implemented during his private sector experience to reduce emissions as an initiative, not because he has to so comply with the legal codes to avoid fines; or legislative measures he passed as governor of Massachusetts please correct me and post it here (keep in mind some of those might be forced down his throat with the democratic legislature). Please correct my mislead views.
 
shiang said:
We must be talking about a different Romney. I'm talking about the one that said “President Obama promised to slow the rise of the oceans and to heal the planet. My promise is to help you and your family.”
Protectionism for your own nation against another puts you more to the right.
I answered the question based on what he's done and believes, yes, not by what his adds say.

Now if you have evidence that he supports environmental regulation for business. From either company policies he's implemented during his private sector experience to reduce emissions as an initiative, not because he has to so comply with the legal codes to avoid fines; or legislative measures he passed as governor of Massachusetts please correct me and post it here (keep in mind some of those might be forced down his throat with the democratic legislature). Please correct my mislead views.
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Take a look here Mitt Romney - Energy and the Environment

Governor Romney proposes streamlining and fast-tracking the permitting process for safe companies and procedures, overhauling outdated legislation such as the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act, and reforming nuclear regulation to make building nuclear power plants feasible.
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Notice how he never says he wants to remove all regulation like Ron Paul would? Romney want less regulation, but certainly believe in regulation.
 
Ok, so he at least recognize the right things to say +1.

...now can he score the bonus points in actually policies and legislation passed in the past? To be fair I'll try to dig for it too and post it if I see it and correct my stance.

TBH if he believed and acted on what he's saying, it's very very similar to Obama. I liked the fact he touched on nuclear which is the energy of the future generating thousands, tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of time than typical chemical reactions. Obama recognize this too as I've heard him say it before and he's put in legislation and funding on this issue. Both candidates tend to brush over it or omit it all together on larger platforms, with good reason as the majority of american's aren't well educated on the difference between nuclear and chemical reactions and tend to think about Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the atomic bomb evoking negative sentiment when it is actually a great demonstration of how much energy it can produce.
 
shiang said:
@ camlon, yes China is in name is communist but in practice more nationalist.
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China is Communist in name and State Capitalism in practice.

Nationalism is a largely a political aspect. Communism is largely an economic system. They are not apples to oranges.
 
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Nice brush over of Romney's record as governor.

Regarding the environment. He's definitely serious about energy but he's for protecting the environment so long as it doesn't cost business a cent =P. I didn't look up his private sector initiatives as it's probably safe to assume he'd care more about the environment as governor than as a business man.

To sum it up he's not exactly "against" the environment, he just puts it at the bottom of his priorities list.
 
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