(W#4255)The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse for the intentional first degree homicide of 2, injuring of 1

[SkyFox76]

So your whole screed about how he was reckless going there with a gun has no relevance to anything then? Just your own sidetrack polemic? Good to know.

That's what opinions are. You'll find them all over the thread.

 

[gboisjo]

I'm going to take this one step farther. The demeanor of Rittenhouse is NOT emotional, even considering the breakdown. He is showing himself to be rational, intelligent and driven by conscience rather than by emotion. The prosecutor, on the other hand, has exposed himself as being more than a little inclined toward emotion, exaggeration and likely extreme animus toward the defendant.

Tell me how Rittenhouse goes from totally collected, to total breakdown, to totally collected in a heart beat, seems to me like a concoction put together by a slimy defense attorney.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

And the right plays solely on the self defense evidence of a good guy with a gun taking down bad guys who had it coming ..never talking about the larger context of what occurred that night.

Taking down the bad guys due to their own bad actions. Especially Rosenbaulm. Who just got out of the mental hospital for suicide attempts, bipolar, making multiple death threats towards Rittenhouse and then chasing him down to take his rifle.

 

[Chomsky]

Yes, Black is the one who Kyle had buy the AR-15 for him. The statement Black gave to police was that they agreement was W Rittenhouse was going to get an FOID, the gun then transferred to her name and be kept in Illinois at the Rittenhouse apt. The problem with that is, in her TV interview she said she never allowed weapons in her home. Dominick then told police he wasn't sure when Kyle got the weapon while they were at the house, he didn't notice it until they were out at the car. In court though, he he said Rittenhouse went down the basement and came back up with the weapon, laid it on the kitchen table and stated grabbing medical supplies. And the FOID thing has morphed into they were just waiting on Kyle to turn 18.

And I'm calling absolute BS that Rittenhouse was under the impression he could legally have that weapon. Last night I posted this:



So these two lawyers who specialize in gun cases "think" it could be a an exception. Black and his dad both were going by the standard age of 18 law. Balch who is no newcomer to weapons also felt the age of 18 was law. But Kyle suggests he had better knowledge of the law than all those people. It's clear he's feeding off the statements AFTER that night to pretend he knew at the time there was this obscure loophole that even the judge has not ruled on.

Yep. Agreed.

The kid may indeed have the technical defense of self-defense. If appropriate, that's fine and as it should be.

But, he tried to scam the system in possessing the gun, injecting himself into the riots, and that culminated in multiple deaths. I think he should bear some culpability.

 

[gboisjo]

You didn't see how he went from very technically knowledgeable on bullets & ballistics, to "I really don't know anything about it", once he caught on to where the prosecutor had led him?

Some jurors will pick-up on that.

I picked up on it right away, probably got a cue from one of his lawyers to shut your ****ing mouth.

 

[ASHES]

Tell me how Rittenhouse goes from totally collected, to total breakdown, to totally collected in a heart beat, seems to me like a concoction put together by a slimy defense attorney.

Maybe he saw his Mom crying as she listened to what he went through.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

That's not necessarily true, these are all the charges ..the Reckless Endangerment of Richard McGinnis might stick.

FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

ATTEMPTED FIRST-DEGREE INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

FIRST-DEGREE RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING SAFETY, USE OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON

POSSESSION OF A DANGEROUS WEAPON BY A PERSON UNDER 18

FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH AN EMERGENCY ORDER FROM STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT

Its doubtful that will stick if its found he fired in self defence.

 

[GummyVitamins]

You didn't see how he went from very technically knowledgeable on bullets & ballistics, to "I really don't know anything about it", once he caught on to where the prosecutor had led him?

Some jurors will pick-up on that.

Some of the information he gave before saying he didn't know a lot about ammunition was wrong. He was guessing to try to answer the question on what he believed it was. It's also irrelevant to his case. If Binger wants to talk about the difference between full metal jacket and hollow points he can include that information in his closing statement. Rittenhouse is not a firearm's expert and shouldn't be expect to answer technical questions about firearms beyond use and safety information.

 

[Lutherf]

Tell me how Rittenhouse goes from totally collected, to total breakdown, to totally collected in a heart beat, seems to me like a concoction put together by a slimy defense attorney.

He didn't.

I didn't see the testimony where he broke down but I was listening to it and his voice started to crack about the point he started talking about Rosenbaum "ambushing" him. His composure deteriorated from there and that's pretty reasonable considering what he was reliving. As far as "totally collected in a heartbeat" goes, you're just flat out wrong. The judge ordered a break until Rittenhouse could get his act back together and was probably 20 minutes or so.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

That's what opinions are. You'll find them all over the thread.

Well you'll also find them in the thread dedicated to non-legal opinions regarding the case. You might find more traction there with your comments about recklessness, where you're not making them in conjunction with a reckless discharge charge. People won't get confused that you're actually making an argument and are instead spouting your own mindless garbage.

 

[SkyFox76]

Tell me how Rittenhouse goes from totally collected, to total breakdown, to totally collected in a heart beat, seems to me like a concoction put together by a slimy defense attorney.

At first I almost posted he seems to have some ptsd, but held off because I wanted to see his demeanor when he returned. He seems to be just fine now, so I am in fact questioning if that wasn't a planned (but pretty dramatic) display for the jury. When it was happening I kept wondering why the judge just kept waiting before finally saying okay, let's break. But regardless he's allowed to play the jury like anyone else.

 

[justabubba]

OMG, now he's trying to impeach KR on why he needed GPS to find Car Source.

Did this guy get dropped on his head as a child?

he is on a fishing expedition and desperate to find something to salvage his case/reputation

 

[Lutherf]

Some of the information he gave before saying he didn't know a lot about ammunition was wrong. He was guessing to try to answer the question on what he believed it was. It's also irrelevant to his case. If Binger wants to talk about the difference between full metal jacket and hollow points he can include that information in his closing statement. Rittenhouse is not a firearm's expert and shouldn't be expect to answer technical questions about firearms beyond use and safety information.

Nor should the DA be allowed to state to the jury that "hollowpoint ammunition is designed to explode in the body" or that "full metal jacket bullets are designed to penetrate the first target and impact the next one".

 

[US&THEM]

And you seem to think that alone should be illegal?

Is what I posted inaccurate?

 

[ASHES]

Back in court.

 

[TurtleDude]

Is what I posted inaccurate?

No one is denying he has a standard capacity loaded magazine in the AR 15 rifle. I am asking you if you think private citizens should not be allowed to have such items: I get a vibe from your posts that you don't think those should be legal

 

[gboisjo]

Taking down the bad guys due to their own bad actions. Especially Rosenbaulm. Who just got out of the mental hospital for suicide attempts, bipolar, making multiple death threats towards Rittenhouse and then chasing him down to take his rifle.

I agree, putting Rosenbaum out of his misery was good thing. As for Gaige, the biggest asshole of them all ..he deserved to get his arm blown to bits. He goes at Rittenhouse gun in hand and waits for Rittenhouse to shoot first ..I mean what was this idiot thinking ..listening to him testify was excruciatingly difficult for me.

 

[Lutherf]

Here comes the motion for Mistrial With Prejudice.

 

[ASHES]

Here comes the motion for Mistrial With Prejudice.

Doubt it is successful. He wants the jury to rule.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Yep. Agreed.

The kid may indeed have the technical defense of self-defense. If appropriate, that's fine and as it should be.

But, he tried to scam the system in possessing the gun, injecting himself into the riots, and that culminated in multiple deaths. I think he should bear some culpability.

Which is why I think you are assigning punishment, not based on law, but based on circumstances for him being there. While technically being past curfew, as all his attackers were, his curfew charges are already dropped. Again to the deaths, regardless if being done in self defence.

 

[ASHES]

State arguing against now

 

[JustPlainJoe]

Yep. Agreed.

The kid may indeed have the technical defense of self-defense. If appropriate, that's fine and as it should be.

But, he tried to scam the system in possessing the gun, injecting himself into the riots, and that culminated in multiple deaths. I think he should bear some culpability.

I don't think I would call it "scam the system" in possessing the gun. By his testimony, not contradicted by any other testimony, he gave Mr Black the money to buy a gun and Mr Black kept possession of that gun, except in 2 cases where Mr Black knew that KR had the gun in his possession and Mr Black was generally with him (on the land where they were doing the shooting and downtown Kenosha). That is not scamming the system. If Mr Black had been KR's dad, would we call it "scam the system" if KR wanted a rifle and his father purchased it and planned to officially put it in his name when he turned 18? If a kid wanted to buy a car, but couldn't because he wasn't old enough, would we call it "scam the system" if a parent bought the car and planned to give it to him when he turned 18?

Injecting himself in the riots. I agree, that was a bad idea for KR to be there, just like it was a bad idea for the thousands of other people that were there. Most of them bear no consequences of that action (attending the riots). There are a few that do have to bear consequences, 2 are dead, 1 badly injured, and KR and others have to live with those results for the rest of their lives. I suspect that KR will have very negative consequences for the rest of his life. Even if he is acquitted on all charges, he is unlikely to find a job as any first responder job, even though all evidence is he would be very good at it. (He kept his head, fired at the targets he intended to fire at, did not hit anything that he didn't intend to hit. I have seen police officers do much worse.) What more consequences do you want him to bear?

 

[Chomsky]

Culpable negligence is not a factor in this trial. He is charged with recklessly and intentionally discharging his firearm.

Here, below, is the list of the charges.

Besides homicide, two of them are for endangerment, one is for possession, and one is failure to comply. Two of them are labeled, "Reckless".

"Reckless", by its nature implies/requires culpable negligence. I believe it is a legal component of the Reckless' charges. (but I don't purport to be an attorney).

EXPLAINER: What charges did Kyle Rittenhouse face?

Kyle Rittenhouse has been acquitted on all charges in the fatal shooting of two men and wounding of a third during a night of protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, in August 2020.

apnews.com

 

[Napoleon]

So who here thinks this ends as

Judge Schroeder: The State calls Mrs. Binger to beat her son’s ass with a flip flop!

 

[US&THEM]

No one is denying he has a standard capacity loaded magazine in the AR 15 rifle. I am asking you if you think private citizens should not be allowed to have such items: I get a vibe from your posts that you don't think those should be legal

That is not what I posted so make your bs argument with someone else