(W#4255)The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse for the intentional first degree homicide of 2, injuring of 1

[Trippy Trekker]

You obviously haven’t been watching the trial.

Not entirely true; mainly true! I watched snippets of replays.

I watched little, if any, of the trials related to Chump’s bogus efforts to overturn the 2020 General Election results.
Still, due in major part to my research and hunches, I prognosticated correctly.

Just about every day, I spend time reviewing Rittenhouse case-related news via the internet and TV.

Have you kept track of the amount of hours you spent watching the trial? How many? I balance substantive business interests, exercise and other forms of necessities and entertainment with my DP hobby.

My DP-related participation often brings me personal satisfaction, so far, after 5 years, not a bit of income. Diligence with my business interests keeps me wealthy! One of my main lanes involves bidding and paying cash on foreclosure properties. The process requires 1. a 5% pre-bid deposit with a County Clerk 2. securing the winning online bid (feels like Casino betting for about 8minutes) 3. Paying the 95% balance owed by noon the following day (or lose my deposit) 4. after I obtain title, I still need to fix the property and make sure I can obtain title insurance and a full warranty deed.

Current project: 1700’ sq. condo. Estimated value after renovation- 575K.
Sights set on bidding 12/1/21 on a Bay Front Tampa Bay Area home with estimated value $1.5MIL. My Main Game takes diligence and preparation!

I just came back from a week in Orange Co. CA and Greater Los Angeles area. We get 4 to 5 times the home for the same dollars in Tampa Bay!

 

[SkyFox76]

There was evidence of that introduced at trial.

No there wasn't. McGinnis said he wasn't able to see if Rosenbaum actually got a hand on the barrel of the gun. All he saw was lunging with Rosenbaum falling forward as the first shot (from Rittenhouse) rang out. Rasmussen, who tested the gun for DNA was not given swabs of the barrel of the gun.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Name anyone connected with law enforcement, the DA's office, the trial, or anyone who was present in Kenosha the night of the incident that claims Balch is lying, or has questioned the veracity of his claim?

Good luck finding someone who does not exist.

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You didn’t answer the question: “Do you think Ryan Balch wants the jury to convict Kyle Rittenhouse?”

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Of course he hasn't... His opinions are 100% political and 100% devoid of facts.

The truth obviously has no place in his partisan political world and every post he makes confirms it.

Your version of truth dovetails with Chump’s Alternative Facts.

 

[Grim17]

Even though support for Rittenhouse afforded a multi-million $$$ Defense Fund, my faith in the Prosecution remains strong!

Please tell us what the prosecution has presented that in any way contradicts the claim of self defense, and exactly why they have earned your faith?

While you contemplate that one, here's a little something I challenge you to explain...

Rittenhouse and Balch were not friends and only met that night. Right after the shootings Rittenhouse's friend drives him home. Less than an hour later Rittenhouse surrendered to police in his home town and a few hours after that Kenosha detectives arrived and questioned Rittenhouse extensively for the next several days. Rittenhouse was detained for nearly a month before being released on bail. Three days after the shootings, Balch tells FBI agents what he witnessed, including the threat Rosenbaum made against their lives.

It's obvious that what Balch said to both the FBI and on the witness stand about the threat made by Rosenbaum, was also what was said to detectives by Rittenhouse when he was questioned right after the shootings, or the prosecutors would have said so in court and challenged Balch... Since the 2 were not friends, only met that night at the riots, and Balch couldn't have had any contact with Rittenhouse prior to the FBI showing up to his door (because Rittenhouse was in custody) how exactly did they manage to make the same claim about Rosenbaum's threats if it wasn't true?

Go ahead... Take as much time as you need.

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[Grim17]

Your version of truth dovetails with Chump’s Alternative Facts.

LMAO... You haven't got 1 single fact that substantiates your belief that Balch is lying... NOT ONE.

I'll just wait for your explanation to what I posted above.

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[Napoleon]

Not entirely true; mainly true! I watched snippets of replays.

I watched little, if any, of the trials related to Chump’s bogus efforts to overturn the 2020 General Election results.
Still, due in major part to my research and hunches, I prognosticated correctly.

Just about every day, I spend time reviewing Rittenhouse case-related news via the internet and TV.

Have you kept track of the amount of hours you spent watching the trial? How many? I balance substantive business interests, exercise and other forms of necessities and entertainment with my DP hobby.

I watched the trial in my leisure time rather than finding a pundit on the internet to tell me what I should think about something I didn’t watch. It’s clear that you haven’t watched it and, if you’re not going to, if you think the prosecution has done anything other than make the defense’s case for them then you need to find a different pundit.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Please tell us what the prosecution has presented that in any way contradicts the claim of self defense, and exactly why they have earned your faith?

While you contemplate that one, here's a little something I challenge you to explain...

Rittenhouse and Balch were not friends and only met that night. Right after the shootings Rittenhouse's friend drives him home. Less than an hour later Rittenhouse surrendered to police in his home town and a few hours after that Kenosha detectives arrived and questioned Rittenhouse extensively for the next several days. Rittenhouse was detained for nearly a month before being released on bail. Three days after the shootings, Balch tells FBI agents what he witnessed, including the threat Rosenbaum made against their lives.

It's obvious that what Balch said to both the FBI and on the witness stand about the threat made by Rosenbaum, was also what was said to detectives by Rittenhouse when he was questioned right after the shootings, or the prosecutors would have said so in court and challenged Balch... Since the 2 were not friends, only met that night at the riots, and Balch couldn't have had any contact with Rittenhouse prior to the FBI showing up to his door (because Rittenhouse was in custody) how exactly did they manage to make the same claim about Rosenbaum's threats if it wasn't true?

Go ahead... Take as much time as you need.

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Why do continue to avoid answering the simple question: ”Do you think Ryan Balch wants the jury to convict Kyle
Rittenhouse?”

If you like to dive down Rabbit Holes, I suggest you read Watership Down by Richard Adams.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

LMAO... You haven't got 1 single fact that substantiates your belief that Balch is lying... NOT ONE.

I'll just wait for your explanation to what I posted above.

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Go ahead and find a single quote by me where I wrote “Balch is lying”.

 

[gboisjo]

It’s not questionable at all after the testimony of witnesses and evidence introduced. There isn’t a single prosecution witness in this case who hasn’t ended up strengthening the defense’s argument. Amber Rasmussen ended up testifying to her own irrelevance to the case. It’s astounding that the prosecutor called her at all.

The person closest to Rosenbaum and Rittenhouse was Richie McGinniss a Journalist. His testimony was the unarmed Rosenbaum appeared to lunge at Rittenhouse. Thats when Rittenhouse fired off four rounds killimg his first victim. Nowhere did McGinnisss say he saw Rosenbaum touch the barrel of Rittenhouses AR 15.

Further more charges have been brought agaist Rittenhouse for endangering McGinniss's life. The party was just getting started for the youngster and his brand new AR 15.

 

[Grim17]

Why do continue to avoid answering the simple question: ”Do you think Ryan Balch wants the jury to convict Kyle
Rittenhouse?”

If you like to dive down Rabbit Holes, I suggest you read Watership Down by Richard Adams.

Why would I sink to your level and start speculating about things not presented in the trial and that I have no way of knowing?

The fact that you won't explain how the 2 of them could have been lying when they told the same story about Rosenbaum, and had no contact prior to telling it, really says it all... It says your accusations are completely baseless, just as your opinions about the legality of the shootings are.

There's no need for me to continue discussing the facts of the case with you, since nothing you've said has anything to do with the facts. This thread is about this trial, not politics, so why don't you run along now.

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[gboisjo]

When Rittenhouse turned Rosenbaum attempted to grab the rifle. That, combined with #3, gives rise to the reasonable belief that there is an imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm and that reasonable belief justifies the use of deadly force.

We will see what happens, one thing for sure the baby faced seventeen year old didn't know what he was doing ..he was in way over his head.

To bad the veteran who was babysitting Rittenhouse lost track of the inexperienced youngster.

Your not a law expert so don' pretend to be one.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

I watched the trial in my leisure time rather than finding a pundit on the internet to tell me what I should think about something I didn’t watch. It’s clear that you haven’t watched it and, if you’re not going to, if you think the prosecution has done anything other than make the defense’s case for them then you need to find a different pundit.

Proposed terms:

1. Loser donates to DP within 48 hours of results.
2. for every $5 you agree to risk, I agree to risk $10, up to $50 for you and $100 for me.
3. In the event of no felony conviction, but at least one Hung Jury, we declare a ”Push/No Winner”.
4. You win if Rittenhouse walks without a single felony conviction and no Hung Jury.
5. I win if Rittenhouse accepts a felony plea deal or the jury convicts on at least one felony charge.

@Napoleon - You could of mopped up on my 2:1 bet! Another member accepted the terms.

 

[gboisjo]

First, if it's self defense it's not murder, so your statement is flawed. Murder is unlawful premeditated killing of someone, which is what this trial is going to determine.

Second, your question referring to the shooting of Mr. Rosenbaum is also incomplete based on the testimony of the prosecution's witnesses.

Let me more accurately restate your question:

This is at the crux of the self defense question, is an unarmed man who had previously threatened to kill the defendant, who aggressively chased after the defendant and lunged forward attempting to grab the defendant's rifle, justification for shooting him. ​

I would have to say based on the video evidence, the testimony of the state's witnesses, and on Wisconsin's self defense laws, the answer to that question is "yes", the defendant shooting and killing Mr. Rosenbaum was justified and a case of legal self defense.

Don't bother restating my questions ..turn what I said into your bogus, lop sided horseshit.



Rosenbaum a nut, yes, dangerous, maybe not

2nd of all your not a all knowing law expert ..if the self defense stand doesn't stand, it will be murder.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Why would I sink to your level and start speculating about things not presented in the trial and that I have no way of knowing?

The fact that you won't explain how the 2 of them could have been lying when they told the same story about Rosenbaum, and had no contact prior to telling it, really says it all... It says your accusations are completely baseless, just as your opinions about the legality of the shootings are.

There's no need for me to continue discussing the facts of the case with you, since nothing you've said has anything to do with the facts. This thread is about this trial, not politics, so why don't you run along now.

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Any honest member familiar with both of us over the years and with a smidgen of political intelligence already understands how our respective levels contrast. Only one of us embraces Alternative Facts.

You never answered the question: “Do you think Ryan Balch wants the jury to convict Kyle Rittenhouse?”
You never provided a single quote by me stating “Balch is lying”.

 

[gboisjo]

Of course he hasn't... His opinions are 100% political and 100% devoid of facts.

The truth obviously has no place in his partisan political world and every post he makes confirms it.

And yours are not, give me a ****ing break

 

[Lutherf]

We will see what happens, one thing for sure the baby faced seventeen year old didn't know what he was doing ..he was in way over his head.

To bad the veteran who was babysitting Rittenhouse lost track of the inexperienced youngster.

Your not a law expert so don' pretend to be one.

I defer to your expertise.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

This is at the crux of the self defense question, is an unarmed psychopathic, suicidal moron lunging forward justification for murder.

You forgot that the psychopathic, suicidal moron had issued a threat to kill anyone from Rittenhouse's group of he caught them alone that night.

If someone tells you they're going to kill you, why shouldn't you believe them when they lunge at you?

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Ryan Balch’s association with the Boogaloo Boi movement casts shade on Balch’s testimony.

The prosecutor didn't seem to think so. He didn't challenge the assertion in the least.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Race baiting only belittles you.

And the borderline cheerleading for prison rape isn't a good look, either.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

and I hope the little shit learns what "black violence" is all about in prison.

Repulsive comment.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

And the tragic thing is - it won't be long, that like Zimmerman, the kid will end up showing what a thug he truly is. Another right-wing hero.

George Zimmerman's Arrests and Legal Problems

A List of George Zimmerman's Arrests and ongoing legal troubles he's had since getting away with the murder of Trayvon Martin.

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Since the right of self defense shouldn't hinge on who likes you, the kind of person Rittenhouse is (or will become) is utterly devoid of relevance to this trial.

 

[justabubba]

What a step backwards for society, if Rittenhouse walks Zimmerman-like scott-free!

you have a problem with justice being served?

 

[lurchadams]

Since the right of self defense shouldn't hinge on who likes you, the kind of person Rittenhouse is (or will become) is utterly devoid of relevance to this trial.

Other than it's emblematic of the type of person idolized by today's right-wing.

 

[lurchadams]

Repulsive comment.

I know - you tolerated 5 years of your Mango menace saying and tweeting disgusting stuff but you only call out impropriety when you think it's happening on the left. Pretty disgusting alright.