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[W:425] Why Do the Woke Seek to Shut Down Talk About Ideas They Dislike?

Yes, it's a schtick. It's the same pattern over and over. Since 1985 when the first Christian law center, The Rutherford Institute, was founded and started taking universities and colleges to court to protect the rights of Christians to speak against, abortion, gays and gay marriage.Today there are at least 9 for these well funded, free legal groups protecting the right of Christians and conservatives to agitate a crowd by speaking against gays, blacks, pregnant women, single mothers, the poor, etc.

From the ACLU comes this explanation about campus speakers. https://www.aclu.org/other/speech-campus
"Of course, public colleges and universities are free to invite whomever they like to speak at commencement ceremonies or other events, just as students are free to protest speakers they find offensive. College administrators cannot, however, dictate which speakers students may invite to campus on their own initiative. If a college or university usually allows students to use campus resources (such as auditoriums) to entertain guests, the school cannot withdraw those resources simply because students have invited a controversial speaker to campus."

You and other conservatives don't want free speech. You want the right to speak on college campuses but you want the university to suppress the right of students to protest your speeches.
 
Where do you get the idea that Christian organizations are anti-black. Most black people are Christian
 
RealityChecker said:
It seems that more Americans oppose the right of people to speak about ideas others find offensive. It seems to me if we banned talk of anything that offends someone else, there would be no more free speech.
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The woke don't want to ban the right to say things that are offensive. They do it all the time. They just want to ban the right of people to say things that they find offensive. It's nothing more than ideological totalitarianism.
 

I'm not going to get into my private life here and present anecdotal evidence but I can assure you that there are those who are always trying to nanny, correct, attempt to silence others they strongly hold in contempt solely based on their individuality. These people are the woke we are talking about in the real world.
Google it, ... the woke, the cancel culture, the busy bodies are meddling and getting people fired in their workplace. Getting people, including our last POTUS removed from social media.. Where have you been?

Look at this forum and other social venues and cable shows for more examples. Some want people sent to camps to reeducate them because they don't like the way they think or the way they vote or how they raise their children. Some don't even like their religious beliefs and want to intrude on their first amendment rights to boot. And don't get me started on the gun banners who think the public has TOO many weapons...

Lots of speech cops in our society today... They are everywhere and permeate the current culture to the point of constant division.

IMO, these control freaks fear ideas that are not of their own political persuasion. They want to raise yours, the collectives' children, berating parents for their God given/natural protected right to raise their children absent neglect or abuse. It never ends with today's woke culture.

There are plenty of people besides the two you mentioned who have been silenced, cancelled by the indoctrinated illiberal and blamed for the violence that ensued as a result of their speaking engagements. Whatever happened to I might not like what you have to say but I'll defend your right to say it? There are very few truly liberal thinkers left...
 
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weaver2 said:
If a college or university usually allows students to use campus resources (such as auditoriums) to entertain guests, the school cannot withdraw those resources simply because students have invited a controversial speaker to campus."
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And yet we have seen this happen on many college campuses in response to speakers whose ideas clash with the woke folks who are nothing if not intolerant of speech that undermines and/or conflicts with their dubious cult-like ideology.
weaver2 said:
You and other conservatives don't want free speech. You want the right to speak on college campuses but you want the university to suppress the right of students to protest your speeches.
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You are not very good at determining what others believe. It is a fact that I do want free speech. I also support the right of students to peacefully protest speakers whose ideas they dislike. What I oppose is the violence and threats of violence used by the woke folks and their thugs (Antifa, BLM, etc.) that are intended to shut down the free speech rights of those who oppose their dubious ideology. You stand corrected. Try to stick to verifiable evidence and logical arguments and not tell other people what you incorrectly believe they want or don't want.
 
Fishking said:
The woke don't want to ban the right to say things that are offensive. They do it all the time. They just want to ban the right of people to say things that they find offensive. It's nothing more than ideological totalitarianism.
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What is so totally unaware is that those same 'woke's claim to be in support of free speech, but only the speech and ideas they like, and then think there's no cognitive dissonance involved.
 
eohrnberger said:
What is so totally unaware is that those same 'woke's claim to be in support of free speech, but only the speech and ideas they like, and then think there's no cognitive dissonance involved.
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Right you are... When we remind these woke liberals that they are intolerant of ours, the collectives' ideas, they strongly disagree with, they then go to their favorite bag of tricks and call 'hater', playing one of the race cards du jour. The "woke" are constantly stoking the fires of division with this crap, and what's more, that's their plan.
 
The whole train of events that are described are little more than an effort to silence those that don't agree with them. Kinda summed up in the quote
(from who I don't recall, if you have a link do please share)
'The right thinks the left as people with bad ideas, the left think the right are bad people with ideas'.
 

Succinct.
 
Great reply, lots of examples, lots of accusations, lots of links............ oops not a link in sight. No studies? No news articles reporting on suppression of free speech? No statistics? So nothing, just your say so.
 
eohrnberger said:
What is so totally unaware is that those same 'woke's claim to be in support of free speech, but only the speech and ideas they like, and then think there's no cognitive dissonance involved.
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Honestly, I think many of them are beyond that and now view free speech as synonymous as hate speech, as they deem it.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
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People who see white supremacy and everything strike me more along the lines of conspiracy theorists.

Christianity isn't a white religion it is a Semitic religion. When it took hold in Europe and went from being just a tribal thing to a full-fledged religion it was because of Constantine. And I believe it was an effort to put social pressure on the Jews. As Jewish customs are often seen as bad for the economy. Even in present day. And todayism was pretty widespread among commoners at the time of Constantine's death.

So it's ridiculous to say that it's white supremacy. CRT seems to blame white supremacy for all problems and that's conspiracy theory and it doesn't line up with history. White supremacy seemed to be a long lived fad for about a century and a half surrounding the Civil War and the Civil Rights movement in the US.

If Christianity was invented in 1792 then maybe I'd accept the white supremacy angle.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
People who see white supremacy and everything strike me more along the lines of conspiracy theorists.
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Um, Jones documents how his own church, formed at the beginning of the CW, was based on supporting all aspects of slavery and did not change fundamentally after the war, never coming to terms with its beginnings.

Its available in audiobook form through your library, on Overdrive.

ps:

Robert P. Jones is the CEO and founder of Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) and a leading scholar and commentator on religion and politics. Jones writes a column on politics, culture, and religion for The Atlantic online. He is frequently featured in major national media, such as CNN, MSNBC, NPR, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and others. He holds a PhD in religion from Emory University and a MDiv from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is the author of The End of White Christian America, which won the 2019 Grawemeyer Award in Religion.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, Jones documents how his own church, formed at the beginning of the CW, was based on supporting all aspects of slavery and did not change fundamentally after the war, never coming to terms with its beginnings.
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there are plenty of wackos spin-off cults of all religions.

To indict Christianity which was a Semitic religion formed before the concept of white people ever existed as white supremacy is absurd. Don't you spin-off call there's enough of those that I don't like but I don't indict all of Christianity.
Its available in audiobook form through your library, on Overdrive.
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I'm already pretty aware of the history of spin-off cults with regard to Christianity during the Evangelical period And before.

They are a rainbow of all different sorts of kookyness.
The people who frequently used his material for their own personal agenda further discredits him.

I'm not trying to fabricate a global conspiracy of white supremacy so therefore I'm not interested in the conspiracy theorists that peddle that.

You'll have better luck with flat Earth at least that's funny.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, I'm talking his work studying the SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION, the largest Baptist church in the US.
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You would have a point if you referred to strictly Baptist people versus Christian.

Christianity predates the first concept of white people by over a thousand years.

But even then you're not even talking about all of the Baptist religion. And you're certainly not talking about but maybe a small percentage of Christian organizations.

So your point isn't that pertinent I understand it it's just not an argument. There is certainly something there because Calvinism came into cultural significance around the 18th century in the US.
 
This is typical goal post moving, your original question was:

"Where do you get the idea that Christian organizations are anti-black."

I gave you an example, the largest Baptist church in the US was founded to give Southern slave owners moral rationale for their practice, did not reform substantially after the CW.

You don't get to whine about kooks or CT, this is a straight history of one of the biggest churches in the US. You don't get to expand this to all of christianity. You asked for an example of a christian org that is/was "anti-black".

You got it, deal with it.
 
eohrnberger said:
Agreed. And would seem to fall into the category of 'Domestic Terrorism', as it's all politically driven, would it not?
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Well they are trying to consider people domestic terrorists for things they say.

And some of the things people say that would make them considered domestic terrorists is skepticism in the vaccine skepticism of the election. Basically any descent voiced against the thoughts you are supposed to have mean you're An enemy of the State.

That's exactly what now say done did that's exactly what Adolf Hitler did that's exactly what Mussolini did
 
eohrnberger said:
Agreed. And would seem to fall into the category of 'Domestic Terrorism', as it's all politically driven, would it not?
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If they resort to intimidation, threat of violence, or actual violence to get their way then it would be something like domestic terrorism.
 
weaver2 said:
Great reply, lots of examples, lots of accusations, lots of links............ oops not a link in sight. No studies? No news articles reporting on suppression of free speech? No statistics? So nothing, just your say so.
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The above is a deflection, aka a copout.
I told you to try google, mentioned social media, and other platforms by name that are seeking to silence.

If you don't want to put in the work, why should I?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
This is typical goal post moving, your original question was:

"Where do you get the idea that Christian organizations are anti-black."
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and you failed to answer that question.
I gave you an example, the largest Baptist church in the US was founded to give Southern slave owners moral rationale for their practice, did not reform substantially after the CW.
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you would have a point if this was 1874.
You don't get to whine about kooks or CT, this is a straight history of one of the biggest churches in the US. You don't get to expand this to all of christianity. You asked for an example of a christian org that is/was "anti-black".
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again you're talking about historically. You would have a point if this was 1874.
You got it, deal with it.
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You give me a rather shotty history lesson on the subject of current events.

Something founded a century and a half ago is probably a lot different now than it was a century and a half ago.

Time is linear you have to deal with that
 
Fishking said:
If they resort to intimidation, threat of violence, or actual violence to get their way then it would be something like domestic terrorism.
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They absolutely do that openly in publicly.

The foot soldiers of this is antifa and BLM. They haven't used threat of violence and actual violence to get their way that's already happened.

Now it's just a war of attrition it will continue until we stop it.
 
It's more pervasive than what can be passed off as Antifa and BLM. And, yes, they are modern day Brown Shirts being given credibility for some reason, instead of being turned out on their rear ends and removed from college and such.
 
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