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[AProudLefty]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

LOL

I'm not going to help you fulfill your quota today.

Have a good one.

So you're getting paid for it? I guess it's better for you to have a job than to depend on government's teats.

 

[j-mac]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Wow! You know what? Maybe you better hope that Trump's "red line" legislation doesn't gain any traction.(although we both know that's highly unlikely) Because you just might be a prime candidate.

This statement from you alone is why we must never allow liberal progressives to convince us emotionally that we must act in the fog of one of these tragedies....For, their ultimate goal isn't about weapons at all, rather going after, and jailing, destroying, and as one poster already said in open forum, killing their political opponents.

I find everything about your rancid ideology today, disgusting, and vile.


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[j-mac]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

The "admiration" of Sanders is not enough to link Sanders to the criminal action of the person who "admired Sanders."

Ah, but the mere fact that TRUUUUMP!, automatically means that all that happens is the fault of not only TRUUUUUMP!, but his supporters as well?

That's a neat double standard you have there....


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[j-mac]

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“Christians are evil.”

At least you got that right.

You.....contribute.....NOTHING!

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[pamak]

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Ah, but the mere fact that TRUUUUMP!, automatically means that all that happens is the fault of not only TRUUUUUMP!, but his supporters as well?

That's a neat double standard you have there....


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You can debate like a coward by isolating one sentence or you can debate without fear by quoting me in full.

 

[dixon01767]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

WTF?

I am referencing to a statement which is well known to everybody. If you think that the full quote somehow is misleading feel free to show the quote and show in what way I am misleading. And the issue I highlight is not the use of the word "rapist". I would not have a problem if the quote said that "some" Mexicans are rapists. The issue is that Trump turned the truth upside down and tried to argue that the rapists are the norm among the Mexican immigrants while there only "some" good people (and even for the latter he was not sure since he "assumed" it).

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Hes not referring to all Mexicans. Three rapists among the millions of illegal Mexicans would make his statement true.

 

[dixon01767]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Are there any Nazis or neo Nazis that are "very fine people"?

No, Trump specifically excluded them by name.

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

 

[j-mac]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

You can debate like a coward by isolating one sentence or you can debate without fear by quoting me in full.

LOL....That's cute...You actually think you define others....pathetic.

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[pamak]

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“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Hes not referring to all Mexicans. Three rapists among the millions of illegal Mexicans would make his statement true.

Okay, you insult my intelligence!

AGAIN!

He is referring to MOST Mexicans being rapists and presents the "good" Mexicans as "few."

 

[dixon01767]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

So let them be relegated to using large heavy hunting rifles with no military like refinements. .

In 1966 the University Tower shooter in Texas killed 14 with such a gun.

 

[dixon01767]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Okay, you insult my intelligence!

AGAIN!

He is referring to MOST Mexicans being rapists and presents the "good" Mexicans as "few."

What nonsense. Because he is referring to Mexicans who cross the border illegally which probably isnt even 1% of all Mexicans.

 

[pamak]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

What nonsense. Because he is referring to Mexicans who cross the border illegally which probably isnt even 1% of all Mexicans.

Are you doing it n purpose or does it come natural to you to say such nonsense?

He demonizes most of the Mexicans WHOL COME here illegally by calling most of them rapists!

You REALLY could not understand what I meant ?

 

[dixon01767]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Are you doing it n purpose or does it come natural to you to say such nonsense?

He demonizes most of the Mexicans WHOL COME here illegally ....

Just a moment ago you were claiming his comments were directed at all Mexicans. Let me know when you get to a position you are actually willing to defend.

 

[pamak]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

LOL....That's cute...You actually think you define others....pathetic.

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I define only those who want to define my quotes with pathetic cutting.

 

[pamak]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Just a moment ago you were claiming his comments were directed at all Mexicans. Let me know when you get to a position you are actually willing to defend.

I have the expectation that when I speak with somebody he has the minimum required intelligence to undertstand the context.
If you cannot understand that I was referring to ILLEGAL Mexicans who come here, then you waste my time. And in case you did not get it, YES, calling most of the illegal Mexicans that come here "rapists," is shameless stereotyping and bigotry. And something else, many of these illegal Mexicans include also people who LEGALLY try to apply for asylum.

 

[Politicallydumb]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Bottom line is...all of this should have nothing to do with race. Good and bad people on every walk of life. It’s sad that USA use to have a solid method that allowed most to enter this country. Now, people are flooding in illegally, taking jobs, benefits and money from the others that were either born here or came in legally.
Some of the anger, in my opinion shoul be directed at the politicians for allowing this. When people feel they have no way out, they take things into their own hands. Go back to a shirt time back and you see these incidents weren’t happening. Why not??

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

That would have been convincing if we could see your credentials. The problem is that we can only see you as "TurtleDude" in this forum.

you can google "assault rifle" and become edified. Why do liberals use the term assault when the military term requires a capability these weapons don't have?

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: [W:400]***Dayton Ohio: Suspect and 9 others dead, at least 16 wounded in Oregon District shootin

The conversation I saw you had with another poster was about the type of weapon that was used in Sandy Hooks.

Also, your link comes from Atlanta Journal Constitution (newspaper) which is hardly an expert in that area. It has no name for the author and it takes some information from sources like the NRA. So, before even talking about which weapons are "assault rifles" or not, we have to be sure about he definition. So, I would prefer a source from military or Law Enforcement sites.

why was "assault" applied to rifles first developed in WWII?

 

[TurtleDude]

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When you say "technically, there is no such thing," you must have some agency in your mind for being responsible for the "technical" term. So, which one is this? Obviously, it is not a newspaper.

The point is that I see experienced military and law Enforcement personnel calling a semi-automatic rifles bought by civilian as " semi-automatic assault rifle"

Here is an example. This time it is about the AR-15 rifle you mentioned

Dean Winslow - Wikipedia

Dean Winslow (born ca. 1953) is an American physician, academic, and retired United States Air Force colonel. He had been nominated by President Donald Trump to become the next Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs

And here is part from his testimony before the Senate talking about the TX mass shooting and the failure of the military to treat domestic violence cases as a crime that had to be reported

https://www.navy.mil/navydata/people/undersec/Modly/Testimony/ConfirmationHearingTranscript.pdf

So I am not making excuses for the Air Force. I do not
know why they did not report it. But again, single point failure is a systems issue.
But I also would like to, and I may get in trouble with
other members of the committee, just say how insane it is
that, in the United States of America, a civilian can go out
and buy a semi-automatic assault rifle like an AR-15, which
apparently was the weapon that was used.

It shows how ignorant some are

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Re: [W:400]***Dayton Ohio: Suspect and 9 others dead, at least 16 wounded in Oregon District shootin

why was "assault" applied to rifles first developed in WWII?

Because that was the term that the military applied to

"(A) short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."

In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:

• It must be capable of selective fire.
• It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, such as the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62x39mm and the 5.56x45mm NATO.
• Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.
  and
• It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).
  
  [SOURCE]

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If the rifle does NOT meet ALL of those criteria, then it is NOT an "assault rifle" (although it might well qualify as "a big scary thing that looks like what I think an 'assault rifle' looks like [or which, since I have never even seen one, I once heard someone {whose qualifications I have absolutely no knowledge of} call an 'assault rifle']").

 

[Sabre]

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So, again we return to my first comment: What was wrong with Obama's role as a father and how is that comment related to the Ohio mass shooter?

Never said there was anything wrong with it other than it did not fit the meaning of fatherlessness.

 

[Erod]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Are there any Nazis or neo Nazis that are "very fine people"?

Looks like this dude was one of you crazy lefties, eh?

WSJ: The Dayton killer was a left-winger, but don'''t blame Elizabeth Warren | Fox News

Looks like this was Elizabeth Warren's fault. Since that's what you guys do with shootings. Blame them on your most hated politician.

It's about parenting and personal responsibility. Nothing more.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police

Looks like this dude was one of you crazy lefties, eh?

WSJ: The Dayton killer was a left-winger, but don'''t blame Elizabeth Warren | Fox News

Looks like this was Elizabeth Warren's fault. Since that's what you guys do with shootings. Blame them on your most hated politician.

It's about parenting and personal responsibility. Nothing more.

Why was this her fault? Do you have a link to her rhetoric that we can all review, like all the times she said "Sisters are evil", or "Guns are awesome", or "People who go to bars in Dayton should be shot (giggle giggle)" or something like that?

I can show you Trump giggling at the idea of shooting people in our border towns.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Dayton Ohio: Suspect and 9 others dead, at least 16 wounded in Oregon District shooting

To say that all mass shooters are mentally ill is not to say mentally ill people are more likely to be violent.

It is possible I am incorrect in using the term mental illness to describe personality disorders such as psychopathy or narcissism.

Thanks. That's the point I tried to make.

 

[Media_Truth]

Re: Dayton Ohio: Suspect and 9 others dead, at least 16 wounded in Oregon District shooting

I wouldn’t expect there to be.
And that’s not what I claimed.

To say that all mass shooters are mentally ill is not to say mentally ill people are more likely to be violent.

It is possible I am incorrect in using the term mental illness to describe personality disorders such as psychopathy or narcissism.

There has always been a thin line regarding mental illness. I thought a previous poster made a good point. I think of White Supremacists as being mentally ill. The previous poster stated that if that was the case, in Nazi Germany, an entire population of mentally ill people slaughtered an entire population of highly educated, prosperous jews. I'm willing to reevaluate my previous outlook.