[W:#356]Students lose access to books amid ‘state-sponsored purging of ideas’

[Tigerace117]

There is no admission to you. There's just me instructing you. I am the teacher and you are the student, and now I am teaching you breathing techniques for your hyperactivity.

The only thing you’ve “instructed” anyone on is your comical inability to defend your claims.

It’s pathetic how quickly you’ve fallen apart when challenged on your delusions

 

[Ren]

The only thing you’ve “instructed” anyone on is your comical inability to defend your claims.

It’s pathetic how quickly you’ve fallen apart when challenged on your delusions

"Marxist"

Think about it, pal.

 

[Nickyjo]

I see you're insisting that Israel is the problem, not Palestine, or the Muslims in general.

Are you sure you want Israel to exist? Or are you more interested in Israel submitting to Islamic rule?

Israel is not the problem, but Israel holds a good part of the solution. Years ago, a Jewish friend of mine asked why he could go an live in Israel tho he had never been there, but a Palestinian born there would probably not be able to return. That's a glib statement (if accurate) of the intractability of the problem. I once read - tho I don't know if it's true - that "Palestinian" is a cognate of the word "Philistine," which depressed me, as it made reference to the millennia of battles over the land between two people which both have a claim to it. I assume that someone was living there already and might have objected when Abraham moved in. Certainly, the people of Jericho had a right to be pissed a bit.

As to Islamic rule, I dont know if sharing the land in a Lebanon-like situation would mean Islamic rule, but given what happened to Lebanon, hard to advocate for that as a model.

If anything, without stereotyping, the traditional Jewish respect for justice might hold hope, but on the other hand, the demographics of what I am told is a rapidly growing Israeli Arab population may pose problems in the future.

Btw, great line by the late Golda Meier(sp?). in his wisdom, the Lord God Jehovah led his Chosen People 40 years through the desert, to the only spot in the Middle East without oil.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Here’s the thing….

You can prevent a kid from reading/seeing/hearing everything you do t want to know about in schools.

You can control what they are taught in the classrooms.

You can dictate your revisionist history.

But eventually your kids will grow and start to walk around in the real world.

And the real world will drown them in facts. They will be exposed to it with no context.

And there is nothing you can do about it.

So, wouldn’t you rather your kid learn about it in a structured way that fits their age and the knowledge grows as they grow older? In a honest setting, with your involvement at home when they come home with this information?

 

[NolanVoyd]

right. because we need to sexualize kids as early as possible and teach them to hate the USA -parents be damned

How do books like the Diary of Ann Frank do that?

 

[DiAnna]

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[Ren]

Here’s the thing….

You can prevent a kid from reading/seeing/hearing everything you do t want to know about in schools.

You can control what they are taught in the classrooms.

You can dictate your revisionist history.

But eventually your kids will grow and start to walk around in the real world.

And the real world will drown them in facts. They will be exposed to it with no context.

And there is nothing you can do about it.

So, wouldn’t you rather your kid learn about it in a structured way that fits their age and the knowledge grows as they grow older? In a honest setting, with your involvement at home when they come home with this information?

Why don't you supply some examples of real world facts that our kids need?

 

[Tigerace117]

"Marxist"

Think about it, pal.

Why should I “think about” you wetting yourself over a group which has literally never been relevant here?

 

[dockside]

Interesting. You're so consumed with revisionist history that you can't even bring up the other school subjects. lol

No, Math, Science, English and the Golden Rule. Anything else is bullshit activism.

I see you left out geography, history (world and U.S.), government, and literature. If what you state indicates what most conservatives think should only be taught, it's very self-explanatory about why those conservatives are so ignorant and incapable of critical thought.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Why don't you supply some examples of real world facts that our kids need?

Basically, any subject that the right wants to change, hide or pretend doesn't happen because they don't like it...keep it as is because when kids walk into the world...there will be trans and gays and the scientific method, evolution over creationism, history as it happened with evidence as opposed to the wishful thinking that the right wants, not everyone is a Christians and not everyone who isn't is a bad person, what socialism actually is and not what the idiots on OAN and Congress think it is and the CRT isn't a what the right says it is...just a few examples to add on top of the regular disciplines such as mathematics, science, writing, etc.

The list goes on and on, but the point that I am trying to make is that, sure, you can hide it from kids for right now...and when they get into the real world that isn't the way their homeschool parents/teachers want them to believe it is...they will be confused as hell and why would you want that? Obviously, teach as appropriate to age, but foundational learning grows as kids grow.

I answered your question, now...tell me what you think shouldn't be taught and why.

 

[Ren]

Basically, any subject that the right wants to change, hide or pretend doesn't happen because they don't like it...keep it as is because when kids walk into the world...there will be trans and gays and the scientific method, evolution over creationism, history as it happened with evidence as opposed to the wishful thinking that the right wants, not everyone is a Christians and not everyone who isn't is a bad person, what socialism actually is and not what the idiots on OAN and Congress think it is and the CRT isn't a what the right says it is...just a few examples to add on top of the regular disciplines such as mathematics, science, writing, etc.

The list goes on and on, but the point that I am trying to make is that, sure, you can hide it from kids for right now...and when they get into the real world that isn't the way their homeschool parents/teachers want them to believe it is...they will be confused as hell and why would you want that? Obviously, teach as appropriate to age, but foundational learning grows as kids grow.

I answered your question, now...tell me what you think shouldn't be taught and why.

OK, let's go down your list.

1. You're trying to tell me that kids need to learn about trans and gays. What exactly do they need to learn? Give me some examples.
2. You're trying to tell me that kids need to learn about scientific method. Give me some examples of scientific method that they need to learn.
3. You're trying to tell me that teaching kids about the theory of evolution is necessary, but teaching about creationism is not necessary. Explain why.
4. Exactly what do kids need to learn about your opinions on history?

I understand that you think the list goes on and on, but the above will suffice for now.

 

[Bodecea]

Oh, I am sorry. I guess one person really represents the entire Right.

Btw, there is nothing wrong with going after same sex "marriage". And another thing, there is no such thing as "same sex marriage". Because only a man and a woman's union can be called marriage.

A prominent member of the United States Supreme Court.....not just "one person".

 

[Tiny]

A prominent member of the United States Supreme Court

A prominent member of the United States Supreme Court...still does not represnt the entire right.

 

[Glitch]

Republican state repression is kicking into high gear.

"The start of the 2022-2023 school year will usher in a new era of education in some parts of America — one in which school librarians have less freedom to choose books and schoolchildren less ability to read books they find intriguing, experts say.

In the past two years, six states have passed laws that mandate parental involvement in reviewing books, making it easier for parents to remove books or restrict the texts available at school, according to a tally kept by nonprofit EveryLibrary. Five states are considering similar legislation. Typical of these is an Arizona bill, signed by Gov. Doug Ducey (R) in April, that requires districts to send parents who ask lists of the books their children check out, as well as to publish the titles of all library materials bought after Jan. 1. Policies are proliferating at the district level, too: One Nebraska system will require that parents sign permission slips for library books. A Texas system will divide its library into “juvenile,” “young adult” and “adult” sections, with parents choosing the “level” their child can access.

“This is a state-sponsored purging of ideas and identities that has no precedent in the United States of America,” said John Chrastka, EveryLibrary’s executive director. “We’re witnessing the silencing of stories and the suppressing of information [that will make] the next generation less able to function in society.”"

Ironically, this 18 year old has most informed and mature insight into the issue:

"...Lily Van Bergen, 18, who graduated from the Bedford system this spring, is worried. She said her hometown is largely White, Christian and conservative. She predicted parental supervision of reading will shrink students’ understanding of the world."

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Personally, I like Arizona's law requiring schools to send parents a list of their child's reading material. Parents need to be kept informed about their child's education. As a parent in Nebraska, I would be hesitant to sign a blanket permission slip without knowing in advance what books I was granting permission to be read. I also have a list of books that I consider required reading for any child, so I would want to compare lists.