[W:264]Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion

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Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

SPD Chief: Decision to leave precinct wasn’t hers, claims city ‘relented to public pressure’
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BY MYNORTHWEST STAFF
JUNE 11, 2020 AT 11:40 AM

In an address to Seattle police officers, Chief Carmen Best said the decision to leave the East Precinct was not hers, adding that the city “relented to severe public pressure.”

“I want to update you all on the situation at the East Precinct,” Best said. “The decision to board up the precinct, our precinct, our home, the first precinct I worked in, was something I had been holding off. You should know leaving the precinct was not my decision. You fought for days to protect it, I asked you to stand on that line day in and day out, to be pelted with projectiles, to be screamed at, threatened, and in some cases, hurt. Then to have a change of course nearly two weeks in, it seems like an insult to you and our community.”


Seattle police now required to turn body cameras on during protests

Best opened her message referring to the Seattle Police Department as her family, and recognizing that this is one of the toughest times in the history of the SPD.

“I know how incredibly difficult these past two weeks have been for you and for your families,” she said. “To thank you will never probably be enough, but thank you.”

“This department cares about you, I care about you, and although it may not seem true at this moment, your community cares about you,” Best added.

While Best expected this message to be shared with the public, she said she’s not worried about that and stands by her comments.

“I am angry about how this all came about,” Best said. “I understand that my comments and this message may be leaked to the public, but I’m not concerned about that. I stand by what I’m saying.”
SPD Chief: Decision to leave precinct wasn't hers, claims city 'relented to public pressure'


I commend her courage and her integrity. Thanks!!

 

[Rawley]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

Do you really believe Fox "Terrorist TV" or the reports of people who live here?

You'll have to report back, I don't watch Fox. I was looking at the crime stats in your city, year to date.

Crime Dashboard - Police | seattle.gov

 

[jpn]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

So you think it’s the right in charge of the police it Seattle

I think police departments have undue power due to a number of factors. That power is the result of decades of negotiations and rule-making and fiefdom-building. This includes very different eras, back when crime was a far greater threat than it was now. When people feel threatened they don't always make great decisions.

As a result of decades of this, police departments around the nation have unwittingly built systemic protections for police so that bad cops are protected.

Even in cities that now days are solidly Democratic, like Minneapolis and Seattle, policing the police will take structural reform.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

And that right there was your mistake: you made this about left vs. right rather than truth vs non-truth. That made you sloppy, and it led you to pick bad sources.

Oh it's definitely about the left. A leftist Mayor and Leftist governor allowed a bunch of leftwing anarchists take over 6 city blocks. The citizens are now in danger as emergency response times are tripled according to 911 center. Defend that.

"Seattle Police Response Time to Residents, Including Marginalized Community Members, Triples After Autonomous Zone Creation"
You have been blocked

 

[mrdeltoid]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

No not bingo! You implied that there was editing involved. There was none. It was printed as is with no previous review. That is a failing of editorial standards. Cottons op-ed was a shameful failure to meet the journalistic standards expected in the authorship of such pieces. What Cotton advocated in it was dangerously authoritarian, unconstitutional, and loaded with misinformation.

It was the editors job to edit Cottons OPINION article. He did not. He didn't even read it. That's why he resigned. NYT screws up all the time like that. My point is the NYT does not practice strict journalistic principles. How can an editor publish an article he never read.

 

[braindrain]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

I think police departments have undue power due to a number of factors. That power is the result of decades of negotiations and rule-making and fiefdom-building. This includes very different eras, back when crime was a far greater threat than it was now. When people feel threatened they don't always make great decisions.

As a result of decades of this, police departments around the nation have unwittingly built systemic protections for police so that bad cops are protected.

Even in cities that now days are solidly Democratic, like Minneapolis and Seattle, policing the police will take structural reform.

But yet you only blame the right.

Funny how the two cities you brought up are both rather far left leaning cities and have been for decades but yet in your mind the police actions in those cities are the fault of the right.
And somehow in your mind that makes sense.


In case anyone is looking for a perfect example of what a hyper partisan posts look like they need to go no further then to read your garbage.

 

[jaypatriot]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

What's important about that neighborhood and the few blocks they took over? Please tell us. Then I can let you know if you're right.

Do your own research about a six-block area in downtown Seattle.
What's important? Does it matter about which area of Seattle?
The occupiers are thugs, criminals, anarchists, and nihilists.
That's what's important about this siege.
And that feckless mayor calling the occupiers of her city PATRIOTS!!??

 

[vegas giants]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

Do your own research about a six-block area in downtown Seattle.
What's important? Does it matter about which area of Seattle?
The occupiers are thugs, criminals, anarchists, and nihilists.
That's what's important about this siege.
And that feckless mayor calling the occupiers of her city PATRIOTS!!??

It's pretty peaceful.


They said the same about the black kids sitting at the counter in the 1950s

 

[mrdeltoid]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

Your post and eagerness to shoot Americans for being wrong and armed is everything that is wrong with the American gun movement.

Your assumption that I am "eager to shoot Americans for being wrong an armed" is you putting words in my mouth. When I am carrying in a state that honors my permit, I am much more careful the way I act, and speak much more respectful to people so as to avoid using it. I've been traveling the country for years and never had to pull it once. The only time I used it, was at my home where a huge drunk and obviously out of control and was raising hell in the street. He was so loud it woke up my whole house. My wife and kids were at home. For some reason he started growling and was walking up my driveway toward my house. I met him a few feet in front of my door, aimed it at his head and told him to please leave my yard. (OK, I was a little harsher than that) Guess what? He was suddenly coherent, turned around and walked back out in the street. Apparently the neighbor called the cops. They arrived a few minutes later. I served in the marines, retired from the FD, and believe me, shooting somebody is the last thing I want. But if left without any alternative, I will.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

No, you are insanely partisan. Smart people do not have to lie about others' word or their motivations. You do both. Do not feel bad, which I am sure you do not because smart people have humility, something which is severely lacking with blind partisans. The term racist as a pejorative has become impotent due to "smart" people, like yourself, completely abusing the use of it. Outside of your little virtue-signaling echo chamber, it has little to no effect anymore, since anyone on the outside of it is now a racist.

Is a Trump loving partisan. Accuses others of being insanely partisan without knowing what he's talking about. Makes himself look foolish.

Unlike your crush Donald J. Trump, I've been a Republican my entire adult life. So you couldn't be more ignorantly wrong if you tried.

That's why I'm smart.

Real Republicans don't enjoy the President inciting violence. Only ignorant racists partisan morons do.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

Obama would sit back on his ass and say "The cops acted stupidly".
Hillary would probably stammer, stumble and say some unintelligible ****.
Joe Biden? Probably say something royally stupid, with a lot of "uh"s and "um"s thrown in for seasoning.

Heaven forbid Trump actually show that we have a Prez who has a pair of balls.

What does Obama have to do with this? I didn't mention Obama. Or Hillary. Or Biden.

Yes, nothing screams "balls" like incoherent, ignorant babbling and name calling. That Trump, he sure is the balls.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

*whistle*
Use of race card!
10-yard penalty!

No, just stating the obvious. Don't pretend many Trump lovers are hoping for blacks to be shot by the military. Save it for the stupid people.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

It's pretty peaceful.


They said the same about the black kids sitting at the counter in the 1950s

Taking over the Municipal Building and a police station and destroying it isn't peaceful. Blocking free passage isn't peaceful. And making a list of demands while holding part of a sovereign city hostage is extortion at the very least. Black kids sitting at a counter of a soda fountain is a false equivalency.

 

[vegas giants]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

Taking over the Municipal Building and a police station and destroying it isn't peaceful. Blocking free passage isn't peaceful. And making a list of demands while holding part of a sovereign city hostage is extortion at the very least. Black kids sitting at a counter of a soda fountain is a false equivalency.

Civil disobedience is an American tradition.



You dont have to like it. Conservatives never have

 

[mrdeltoid]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

Civil disobedience is an American tradition.



You dont have to like it. Conservatives never have

What does that have to do with rioting and taking over part of a city?

 

[vegas giants]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

What does that have to do with rioting and taking over part of a city?

It's an example of civil disobedience.


Its inconvenience. Trust me....you'll live. Lol

 

[Superfly]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

The one way you can get republicans to flip out about guns is to present them with the image of armed Democrats and black people. Suddenly, the sight of armed protesters turns into the scariest thing on earth.

Right? And Fox News reporting it.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

Seattle protest, CHAZ: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone is police free

Seattle police claimed earlier this week that some businesses housed inside the area are being extorted and forced to pay a fee to operate in the area. Best said Thursday that claim was false. "That has not happened affirmatively," Best said, per the Seattle Times. "We haven't had any formal reports of this occurring."

Restaurant owners told the newspaper the protest has actually been good for business with more walk-ups. "This protest has not hurt us at all," Bok a Bok Chicken co-owner Brian O'Connor told the Seattle Times.

It seems that the reports of "extortion" and such were not true. But it's likely hard at this time to know accurately what is going on. But according to this article, businesses are not being extorted and some have found it "good for business".

 

[mrdeltoid]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

Seattle protest, CHAZ: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone is police free



It seems that the reports of "extortion" and such were not true. But it's likely hard at this time to know accurately what is going on. But according to this article, businesses are not being extorted and some have found it "good for business".

I stand corrected.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

I have talked and met with the protesters in CHAZ. All they want is peace and accountability from our police. They mean no harm.

So the police are free to go back to their station and resume policing ? Citizens are free to drive through the area without being stopped at a barricade and have their ID checked?

 

[vegas giants]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

So the police are free to go back to their station and resume policing ? Citizens are free to drive through the area without being stopped at a barricade and have their ID checked?

Some minor inconveniences

 

[Ikari]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

So the police are free to go back to their station and resume policing ? Citizens are free to drive through the area without being stopped at a barricade and have their ID checked?

I don't think there's any "ID checking". As I understand it, the barricades are still up, the precinct is still closed. People can walk into and out of the area if they want, but I'd stay away from that cease pool of Covid personally.

On some level this CHAZ thing reminds me of the "Free Speech Zones" they have at the GOP and DNC conventions, small, cut off areas far away from the convention center where people are allowed to protest. Instead of having protesters roaming all over the city, they've essentially self-quarantined into a confined area. But it's not going to last. First off, this spawned from BLM but it's more than BLM groups there. At first they were united in some goal, but now that they have the CHAZ, we're likely to see fracturing in the groups and people will start leaving and it will fall apart. Also, at any time the precinct can be reopened and the cops can come back. They call it "autonomous", but it's not and they exist there only so long as the government of Seattle permits it.

It's an interesting premise, I don't know if they cut down on damage and riots in other parts of the city by confining everyone to one spot. But it's not self-sustaining, it's going to fall apart one way or the other, sooner or later. I think it's likely sooner.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

Do your own research about a six-block area in downtown Seattle.
What's important? Does it matter about which area of Seattle?
The occupiers are thugs, criminals, anarchists, and nihilists.
That's what's important about this siege.
And that feckless mayor calling the occupiers of her city PATRIOTS!!??

So then why did you specify 'important?' You tried to make it all out to be a bigger deal than it is, so you added your own spin to it. (I live here, I know the area, that's why I called you out on it.) Your statement was a crapload of drama :roll:

And most of the people protesting are within the law, are peaceful, and have a serious message that affects all Americans. It's patriotic to call out the abuse and discrimination of our citizens.

You are so blinded by bias you can only see one side and then smear everyone with it. I dont ignore the radical element that is taking advantage...but I have enough sense and objectivity to understand that it's not the full pictures. And I also understand how the media likes to take advantage of focusing on those people...since it means more ratings because those biased people sop it up without question.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

Seattle protest, CHAZ: Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone is police free



It seems that the reports of "extortion" and such were not true. But it's likely hard at this time to know accurately what is going on. But according to this article, businesses are not being extorted and some have found it "good for business".

It's anecdotal, as is the ID checking, but in interviews, protesters have seen and heard it. It's not organized necessarily...it's opportunism most likely.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[SCrider]

Re: Seattle 'autonomous zone' has armed guards, local businesses being threatened with extortion, po

The one way you can get republicans to flip out about guns is to present them with the image of armed Democrats and black people. Suddenly, the sight of armed protesters turns into the scariest thing on earth.

These are the same people who cheered on the Bundy protests.....