[W:2475] Ariz. State Senate Hears Preliminary Audit Report

[pamak]

They have subpoenaed the routers.

Now, they use the tactics of deflection in order to cover the audit's failure of finding fraud. The tactic is to start making new demands for new "audits" that will violate the rights of business entities in order to force them to oppose such audits and give the conspiracy theorists the excuse to claim that people are hiding election fraud. The FBI could not force Apple to share encryption that would unlock Apple devices to solve criminal/terrorist cases but some people believe that a subpoena will force routers to cooperate with conspiracy theorists.

 

[MaryP]

It doesn't matter. They don't have the support in the legislature to follow through, enforce the subpoenas even if they were in session. They are going to face legal battles as well, since they will have to show why they need routers that could potentially compromise public networking abilities in that county when they have absolutely no evidence of any connections to the Internet for voting equipment being made.

So we won't hold our breath for a report, again, while it gets chewed over in the courts.
I was wondering about that router thing, too--if the County has to turn them over, do they have no internet?
Someone here said it's a Sydney tactic--pure horseshit to keep the election fraud narrative going, but with no hope whatever of proving the claims. I'm beginning to agree. And when it's all over, I can't wait to see how much Cyber Ninjas has been paid for this.

 

[Carl Young]

So we won't hold our breath for a report, again, while it gets chewed over in the courts.
I was wondering about that router thing, too--if the County has to turn them over, do they have no internet?
Someone here said it's a Sydney tactic--pure horseshit to keep the election fraud narrative going, but with no hope whatever of proving the claims. I'm beginning to agree. And when it's all over, I can't wait to see how much Cyber Ninjas has been paid for this.

Why is it going through the courts at all? Isn't it everyone's interest to be certain that the elections were honest and will continue to be?

 

[roguenuke]

Now, they use the tactics of deflection in order to cover the audit's failure of finding fraud. The tactic is to start making new demands for new "audits" that will violate the rights of business entities in order to force them to oppose such audits and give the conspiracy theorists the excuse to claim that people are hiding election fraud. The FBI could not force Apple to share encryption that would unlock Apple devices to solve criminal/terrorist cases but some people believe that a subpoena will force routers to cooperate with conspiracy theorists.

So just to clarify, the routers are a physical piece of equipment (possibly multiple) that the county has in their possession, which means the county got that subpoena.

Now, they also sent a subpoena to Dominion for their passwords for their programming, access to their codes. Now this is highly problematic. That is basically a blueprint for how their systems run, access to that blueprint. That absolutely can put every single system sold by Dominion at risk, especially if given to an outside entity that is highly biased, unqualified, and given immunity for any damage or breach caused by their work.

 

[Conservative]

A significant number of voters every 4 years vote strictly against the Democratic candidate, would never, ever vote for a Democrat. They base their vote off of hateful and divisive rhetoric that their conservative TV and radio pundits feed them every single day.

As I have pointed out and you ignored, is today's Democrat Party the party of JFK? What is it about the country today that creates people who believe it is the country's responsibility to provide for their own personal responsibility issues paid for by someone else, those who actually pay taxes.

What is it about today's Democrats who believe they are entitled to someone else's earnings and wealth focusing on the wealth gap rather than their own failures to participate?

What is it about today's Democrats who promote class envy and jealousy along with hatred for those with more than them?

The country today that succumbs to liberalism is a country that you will not recognize in a few years in that it will destroy itself from within

 

[Carl Young]

Not at all. But I’m not sure what your point is or where you get your information. You made a blanket claim about migrants being diseased and unskilled without data to back that up. You gave your anecdotal impression, I shared mine.

I keep up with what's going on and don't depend on 'anecdotal' evidence. https://www.borderreport.com/health...nday-in-hidalgo-county-on-south-texas-border/

 

[Conservative]

I have voted for many Republicans . Was a Republican till I became Independent, but I am back as a Republican. My plan is to vote against any Republican candidate that spouts they are a Trump supporter. That is a non starter for me.

Comments like yours make me ill. It really must bother you to keep more of what you earn, be patriotic by putting America first, believing in personal responsibility. How any Republican could have voted for Biden/Harris is beyond comprehension. . Stunning how shortsighted people like you are

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Now, they use the tactics of deflection in order to cover the audit's failure of finding fraud. The tactic is to start making new demands for new "audits" that will violate the rights of business entities in order to force them to oppose such audits and give the conspiracy theorists the excuse to claim that people are hiding election fraud. The FBI could not force Apple to share encryption that would unlock Apple devices to solve criminal/terrorist cases but some people believe that a subpoena will force routers to cooperate with conspiracy theorists.

Throw the routers in jail until they cooperate

 

[MaryP]

Why is it going through the courts at all? Isn't it everyone's interest to be certain that the elections were honest and will continue to be?

IMO, that's been proven twice already in AZ.

 

[pamak]

So just to clarify, the routers are a physical piece of equipment (possibly multiple) that the county has in their possession, which means the county got that subpoena.

Now, they also sent a subpoena to Dominion for their passwords for their programming, access to their codes. Now this is highly problematic. That is basically a blueprint for how their systems run, access to that blueprint. That absolutely can put every single system sold by Dominion at risk, especially if given to an outside entity that is highly biased, unqualified, and given immunity for any damage or breach caused by their work.

My understanding is that the physical piece of equipment means nothing without the encryption. To use, the Apple example, it is like getting the phone without the encryption and passwords to unlock it. Companies resist such sharing of 'industrial" secrets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) wanted Apple to create and electronically sign new software that would enable the FBI to unlock a work-issued iPhone 5C it recovered from one of the shooters who, in a December 2015 terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California, killed 14 people and injured 22....Apple declined to create the software, and a hearing was scheduled for March 22.

One may agree or disagree with the company's stance but the issue is that failure to have such software sharing will be interpreted by Trump's minions as an attempt to hide election fraud. This will make as much sense as saying that Apple's failure to share encryption with the FBI for the solving of a terrorist case was evidence of the company colluding with terrorists. I bet that many Trump supporter idiots will fall for such claim.

 

[roguenuke]

Why is it going through the courts at all? Isn't it everyone's interest to be certain that the elections were honest and will continue to be?

It is not in everyone's interest for them to get access to routers when they have shown themselves to be incompetent and highly biased. Perhaps the Senate should have hired a firm that people trust.

 

[roguenuke]

As I have pointed out and you ignored, is today's Democrat Party the party of JFK? What is it about the country today that creates people who believe it is the country's responsibility to provide for their own personal responsibility issues paid for by someone else, those who actually pay taxes.

What is it about today's Democrats who believe they are entitled to someone else's earnings and wealth focusing on the wealth gap rather than their own failures to participate?

What is it about today's Democrats who promote class envy and jealousy along with hatred for those with more than them?

The country today that succumbs to liberalism is a country that you will not recognize in a few years in that it will destroy itself from within

Southern Democrats were never the party of JFK. That really isn't how politics worked back then. There is a reason that the majority of Southerners did not vote for the CRA, not just Democrats, almost all southern politicians voted against the CRA.

 

[Carl Young]

IMO, that's been proven twice already in AZ.

I really don't know all the facts so shouldn't comment but this seems a boondoggle of epic proportions. Everyone should be embarrassed.

 

[MaryP]

So just to clarify, the routers are a physical piece of equipment (possibly multiple) that the county has in their possession, which means the county got that subpoena.

Now, they also sent a subpoena to Dominion for their passwords for their programming, access to their codes. Now this is highly problematic. That is basically a blueprint for how their systems run, access to that blueprint. That absolutely can put every single system sold by Dominion at risk, especially if given to an outside entity that is highly biased, unqualified, and given immunity for any damage or breach caused by their work.

Dominion did release the required information to the two accredited firms that conducted the previous audits and there were no problems found.

As a poster from another board said about the Georgia recounts, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO WATCH BIDEN WIN AZ??

 

[roguenuke]

My understanding is that the physical piece of equipment means nothing without the encryption. To use, the Apple example, it is like getting the phone without the encryption and passwords to unlock it. Companies resist such sharing of 'industrial" secrets.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) wanted Apple to create and electronically sign new software that would enable the FBI to unlock a work-issued iPhone 5C it recovered from one of the shooters who, in a December 2015 terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California, killed 14 people and injured 22....Apple declined to create the software, and a hearing was scheduled for March 22.

One may agree or disagree with the company's stance but the issue is that failure to have such software sharing will be interpreted by Trump's minions as an attempt to hide election fraud. This will make as much sense as saying that Apple's failure to share encryption with the FBI for the solving of a terrorist case was evidence of the company colluding with terrorists. I bet that many Trump supporter idiots will fall for such claim.

We knew all along that this would be used for that which is exactly why it was fought and resisted by anyone not a Trump supporter or ally, because we knew that they would keep asking for things that they didn't need, that were ridiculous, that were going to be resisted and then claim that is why they couldn't show anything.

 

[MaryP]

We knew all along that this would be used for that which is exactly why it was fought and resisted by anyone not a Trump supporter or ally, because we knew that they would keep asking for things that they didn't need, that were ridiculous, that were going to be resisted and then claim that is why they couldn't show anything.

Sounds about right.

 

[roguenuke]

I really don't know all the facts so shouldn't comment but this seems a boondoggle of epic proportions. Everyone should be embarrassed.

The only ones who should be embarrassed here are Fann, Cyber Ninjas, and anyone else who supported this ridiculous "audit".

 

[mike2810]

Comments like yours make me ill. It really must bother you to keep more of what you earn, be patriotic by putting America first, believing in personal responsibility. How any Republican could have voted for Biden/Harris is beyond comprehension. . Stunning how shortsighted people like you are

Opinion noted.

At least some of us can think for ourselves.

Did you vote for Wright or Ellzey

 

[Carl Young]

It is not in everyone's interest for them to get access to routers when they have shown themselves to be incompetent and highly biased. Perhaps the Senate should have hie e is now played.red a firm that people trust.

Seems to me that no one trusts anyone. The opposing team will quickly and easily spread mistrust, and that's how the game is now played. Charging the other side to be incompetent, without evidence, is one of the easier methods.

 

[Carl Young]

The only ones who should be embarrassed here are Fann, Cyber Ninjas, and anyone else who supported this ridiculous "audit".

There are millions on both side who feel otherwise and their concerns should be met.

 

[SCrider]

We can easily see why past Democrats would be ashamed of their party today but why would the same be said of Republicans?

Um, Cough Trump, Q jan 6th need I go on?

 

[pamak]

We knew all along that this would be used for that which is exactly why it was fought and resisted by anyone not a Trump supporter or ally, because we knew that they would keep asking for things that they didn't need, that were ridiculous, that were going to be resisted and then claim that is why they couldn't show anything.

Yep!

Just like we know that in the unlikely event of having companies exposing every industry secret that Trump supporters want, the conspiracy theorists will then demand national secrets from the Italian government and foreign security companies because there are theories that Italian satellites changed the electronic data...

Fact check: Evidence disproves claims of Italian conspiracy to meddle in U.S. election (known as #ItalyGate)

On Jan. 6, 2021, the day supporters of President Donald Trump gathered in Washington, D.C. to protest the certification of the 2020 presidential election results by Congress and ultimately storm the U.S. Capitol, posts began to circulate widely social media claiming that...

www.reuters.com

Some social media posts ( here , here ) shared an audio recording (vocaroo.com/1e976QE4oDoy) of a December 2020 conference call between Nations in Action chair Maria Strollo Zack and other supporters of President Trump.

At the beginning of the call, Zack says that the outcome of the U.S. election “was orchestrated in the Rome embassy” by a 20-year foreign service officer she claims “coordinated with a general Claudio Graziano who is on the board of Leonardo” to use the firm’s “military satellite uplink to load the software and transfer it over to change the votes from Trump to Biden.”

There is no end in sight to the quest of supporting unfounded audits to support Trump's propaganda.

 

[roguenuke]

There are millions on both side who feel otherwise and their concerns should be met.

No there really aren't. The only support for this audit was from those who support Trump, who support the "election was stolen" lie.

 

[LostInSeattle]

Comments like yours make me ill. It really must bother you to keep more of what you earn, be patriotic by putting America first, believing in personal responsibility. How any Republican could have voted for Biden/Harris is beyond comprehension. . Stunning how shortsighted people like you are

Dude, why do you say "people like you" instead of just "you"? And why do you get angry with someone with different political opinions?

 

[roguenuke]

Seems to me that no one trusts anyone. The opposing team will quickly and easily spread mistrust, and that's how the game is now played. Charging the other side to be incompetent, without evidence, is one of the easier methods.

These guys proved their incompetence when they didn't know how a RAID array works (that's part of their job, heck I learned the basics just from my certifications and I'm just getting into the industry). They also showed it with not recognizing what the different files were actually for when it came to votes, yet trying to make a claim based off reading those files wrong, what they were for wrong. They are showing more incompetence when they suggest no absentee/mail in ballots should be without folds (some would be and this has been explained over and over again).