[W:2475] Ariz. State Senate Hears Preliminary Audit Report

[roguenuke]

And early voting gives you that but you ignore that official absentee ballots continue but require qualifications. Early voting in TX is a little more than two weeks

And vote by mail saves money on elections as well, while allowing more chances to vote. Benefits all around, and shows of compassion and empathy for situations that are not like yours.

 

[MTAtech]

Yes, we know when BHO became a Senator but apparently you have no idea what was going on before he got into politics. Of course the MSM contributed to this mystery,

How Obama Bankrupted Black Homeowners

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Yeah, I know the right-wing talking point that the housing and financial crisis was all about unworthy black people getting mortgages they couldn’t afford. It just isn’t true. It is absurd that proponents of this theory believe the worldwide nature of the housing boom and bust was caused because of ill-advised mortgage lending to black people in America. How did U.S. regulations against redlining in inner cities also cause a housing boom in Spain, Ireland and Australia? It’s even more absurd to blame Obama, who wasn’t even president.

 

[Conservative]

Your opinion is noted, and dismissed for the partisan crap it is.

The entitlement mentality is in those who believe that there is nothing wrong with large wealth disparity, that wealth doesn't give a huge amount of power disparity, meaning that those with more are better able to not only keep that wealth to themselves, but also to keep others down, keep them dependent on those who are wealthy.

When you can't see how it is selfish and entitled to not be able to see how vote by mail available to all is good for society as a whole, because not everyone can make it to the polls.

Tell us what creates wealth disparity, how does a rich person affect you? You think you are entitled to their wealth? I learned to celebrate success while you are jealous of

Why am I selfish and you aren't? I go to the polls you mail from home. How does that make me selfish?

Always thought voting was private

 

[roguenuke]

Tell us what creates wealth disparity, how does a rich person affect you? You think you are entitled to their wealth? I learned to celebrate success while you are jealous of

Why am I selfish and you aren't? I go to the polls you mail from home. How does that make me selfish?

Always thought voting was private

I explained how wealth disparity harms, affects others in that post.

While I have voted through the mail, I didn't claim how I've voted in any particular election here. I'm saying that it is not selfish for anyone to vote via the mail just because you don't approve and that I would vote by mail if available to me and I feel like doing so. None of that has anything to do with whether voting is private or not. You are not prevented from telling others that you voted or even who you voted for.

 

[Conservative]

I explained how wealth disparity harms, affects others in that post.

While I have voted through the mail, I didn't claim how I've voted in any particular election here. I'm saying that it is not selfish for anyone to vote via the mail just because you don't approve and that I would vote by mail if available to me and I feel like doing so. None of that has anything to do with whether voting is private or not. You are not prevented from telling others that you voted or even who you voted for.

No rich person ever hurt you and you know it. Stop being jealous of others. Your entitlement mentality is your problem

 

[BlueTex]

The rules were dramatically relaxed during Covid. Now there can be a return to more normal circumstances, along with some added security reforms, such as eliminating dead people from the rolls.

In what way were Arizona rules relaxed during covid? Arizona has had no excuse mail voting since 1991.

 

[roguenuke]

No rich person ever hurt you and you know it. Stop being jealous of others. Your entitlement mentality is your problem

You can't seem to understand that this isn't about me. Its about a much more general and widespread harm, to many not just individuals.

 

[Conservative]

You can't seem to understand that this isn't about me. Its about a much more general and widespread harm, to many not just individuals.

You control yourself and no one else so stop trying. Your problem is you filled with jealousy and an entitlement mentality

 

[roguenuke]

You control yourself and no one else so stop trying. Your problem is you filled with jealousy and an entitlement mentality

And I vote for things I see, the way I see the world and the good I believe I can do.

Why must you insist on personal attack attempts so often? Your assumptions about me are wrong.

 

[Carl Young]

I have already completely refuted this. You have been given the congressional voting record from 2001-2007, which shows your claim is nonsense.

So you believe that the origins of the 'housing crisis' began in 2001? Okey dokey.

 

[rahl]

So you believe that the origins of the 'housing crisis' began in 2001? Okey dokey.

oh look, a strawman

 

[Carl Young]

Your opinion is noted, and dismissed for the partisan crap it is.

This is a debate board so partisan opinions may occasionally appear. Perhaps there's a 'safe space' for snowflakes in your area. You can check the yellow pages.

 

[Carl Young]

oh look, a strawman

Don't use a word unless you understand its meaning. You're trying to sound smarter than you really are and that never works.

 

[rahl]

Don't use a word unless you understand its meaning. You're trying to sound smarter than you really are and that never works.

I'm not trying to do anything, lol. You made up a position to argue against instead of what I actually posted. That is by definition, a strawman. I'm glad I was able to school you on yet another thing today.

 

[goldkam]

No I can't accept your definition of a job

I haven't even given you my definition of a job, I have simply said I understand it. You are quite obviously interpreting something that I have not even said yet and then jumping to conclusions. I am astounded that you are unwilling to see the benefit of jobs within an economy whether they are being replaced.

Do you agree that a job (casual, part time and full time) is better than someone on welfare?

Downward trend better happen after a terrible recession

You like to undermine Obama's actions in any way possible. Isn't a reduction of 10% a good achievement? Just like under both Trump and Biden there has been a reduction?
Both Obama and Trump had very similar numbers when it came to employment and the economy and if fact Obama had better stock market performance. I will accept Trump had a lower unemployment rate (which was an achievement but experts do note he just continued the downward trend)

but that trend in 8 years never got back to pre recession levels

This is a blank point. The trend line never increased in gradient from when Trump took over office, it simply continued at the same or very similar gradient and in fact peaked Jan 2019, Aug 2019 and April 2020.

whereas Trump took it from 9.3% to 6.7%. That is economic success not creating part time jobs

The point I am trying to make is this: You are absolutely wrong in suggesting Trump performed better than Obama on the U6 numbers. Facts prove you utterly wrong.

 

[Conservative]

I haven't even given you my definition of a job, I have simply said I understand it. You are quite obviously interpreting something that I have not even said yet and then jumping to conclusions. I am astounded that you are unwilling to see the benefit of jobs within an economy whether they are being replaced.

Do you agree that a job (casual, part time and full time) is better than someone on welfare?

You like to undermine Obama's actions in any way possible. Isn't a reduction of 10% a good achievement? Just like under both Trump and Biden there has been a reduction?
Both Obama and Trump had very similar numbers when it came to employment and the economy and if fact Obama had better stock market performance. I will accept Trump had a lower unemployment rate (which was an achievement but experts do note he just continued the downward trend)

This is a blank point. The trend line never increased in gradient from when Trump took over office, it simply continued at the same or very similar gradient and in fact peaked Jan 2019, Aug 2019 and April 2020.

The point I am trying to make is this: You are absolutely wrong in suggesting Trump performed better than Obama on the U6 numbers. Facts prove you utterly wrong.

The results say so as does the public that gave the GOP the House in 10-12 and the Congress in 14-16 along with Trump. Trump lost in 2020 because the Democrats weaponized Covid

The results were much better under Trump than Obama pre pandemic but you continue to show how little context you understand. You are looking at improvement of the U-6 numbers for when he took office, the problem is he never got the U6 back to pre recession levels leaving them at 9.3% what was Trump's at the end of 2019? Still focused on pandemic results aren't you knowing that Trump couldn't have prevented the pandemic or the economic shutdown. why would you just use the numbers January 2009 and not what Obama was hired to do, getting things back to pre recession and making things better. You would never survive the private sector with that attitude

 

[rahl]

The results say so as does the public that gave the GOP the House in 10-12 and the Congress in 14-16 along with Trump. Trump lost in 2020 because the Democrats weaponized Covid

The results were much better under Trump than Obama pre pandemic but you continue to show how little context you understand. You are looking at improvement of the U-6 numbers for when he took office, the problem is he never got the U6 back to pre recession levels leaving them at 9.3% what was Trump's at the end of 2019? Still focused on pandemic results aren't you knowing that Trump couldn't have prevented the pandemic or the economic shutdown. why would you just use the numbers January 2009 and not what Obama was hired to do, getting things back to pre recession and making things better. You would never survive the private sector with that attitude

All of this has been repeatedly proven false. Why do you think nobody notices when you lie? Lol

 

[roguenuke]

This is a debate board so partisan opinions may occasionally appear. Perhaps there's a 'safe space' for snowflakes in your area. You can check the yellow pages.

I'm calling out partisan crap for what it is. If anyone needs a safe space, its someone who can't recognize that call out and wants to try present that call out as some sort of complaint. It is a call out of crap.

 

[Nickyjo]

Perhaps because he violated his oath of office by failing to protect the US southern border from foreigners entering the country illegally? Not only is he failing to protect the border by he has issued executive orders and told the border patrol to aid and abet an invasion of of foreign nationals some of whom we know are members of dangerous gangs, some of whom we know have committed crimes in the US and had been deported, some of whom are members of terrorist organizations, some of whom are infected with the Wuhan virus and other communicable diseases, and some of whom have already committed felonies in the US since arriving. Even worse, Biden is aiding and abetting this invasion of foreigners (some of whom are dangerous criminals) into this country and using billions of taxpayer dollars to do so.

So when a POTUS fails miserably to keep the oath of office he took that is a good enough reason for him to resign or failing that the House should impeach him for failing to do his job and aiding and abetting a criminal invasion of those country that is costing an already debt laden US with billions of more dollars, while indirectly enriching evil organized criminal gangs in Mexico to rack in tens of billions of more dollars that seems likely is leading to even more fentanyl and other dangers drugs to be smuggled into this country. Fentanyl is the most lethal opioid drug there is and opioid drugs are now killing tens of thousands Americans and enriching foreign and domestic organized criminals. This appears to be far worse than the trumped up charges used to impeach DJT twice and an apparent clear violation of the oath Biden took when sworn in as the POTUS.

Pause please from your screed-writing for a few seconds, and address the role that US legislation and US ratified treaties plays in dealing with migrants coming to the border. If you wish I can list the relevant documents. Then explain how Biden’s honoring treaties and US law violates the presidential oath of office.

 

[Atomic Kid]

No rich person ever hurt you and you know it. Stop being jealous of others. Your entitlement mentality is your problem

Oh I can definitely come up with at least one narcissistic rich person who harmed hundreds of thousands of people with his reckless incompetent mismanagement of a pandemic and whose delusions also got 5 people killed on January 6.

 

[Atomic Kid]

So you believe that the origins of the 'housing crisis' began in 2001? Okey dokey.

Actually the stage was being set for it a little earlier in 1999.

Causes of the 2008 Financial Crisis

There were three causes of the 2008 financial crisis: deregulation, securitization, and the Fed's poor timing in lowering and raising interest rates.

www.thebalance.com

"In 1999, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act, repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. The repeal allowed banks to use deposits to invest in derivatives. Bank lobbyists said they needed this change to compete with foreign firms. They promised to only invest in low-risk securities to protect their customers.

The following year, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act exempted credit default swaps and other derivatives from regulations.

This federal legislation overruled the state laws that had formerly prohibited this form of gambling. It specifically exempted trading in energy derivatives."

And why did it specifically exempt trading in energy derivatives? Does the name Enron ring a bell?

 

[Conservative]

Oh I can definitely come up with at least one narcissistic rich person who harmed hundreds of thousands of people with his reckless incompetent mismanagement of a pandemic and whose delusions also got 5 people killed on January 6.

Then tell us what harm he did specifically to you? Do you know what the following means and who said it?

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

 

[TomFitz]

Ninety days in and still no sign of significant progress.

That should tell you something.

They’ll keep this alive for as long as they can drag it out and the money keeps coming.

They’re hope of spreading this poisonous stunt to other states has pretty much faded by now.

I’m virtually certain that they won’t report any result. Instead, they’ll support their lack of any conclusion with empty allegations that there were so many irregularities that they could not do an accurate count. That’s about their last way of saving any face. And that won’t fly either. Although it will be good enough for the Trump dead enders.

By them Sidney Powell and the rest of the Kraken team will have been disbarred (or well on their way to it).

Cyber Ninjas was always a joke. You’ll never hear from them again.

 

[Conservative]

Ninety days in and still no sign of significant progress.

That should tell you something.

They’ll keep this alive for as long as they can drag it out and the money keeps coming.

They’re hope of spreading this poisonous stunt to other states has pretty much faded by now.

I’m virtually certain that they won’t report any result. Instead, they’ll support their lack of any conclusion with empty allegations that there were so many irregularities that they could not do an accurate count. That’s about their last way of saving any face. And that won’t fly either. Although it will be good enough for the Trump dead enders.

By them Sidney Powell and the rest of the Kraken team will have been disbarred (or well on their way to it).

Cyber Ninjas was always a joke. You’ll never hear from them again.

I can see that the audit of the election results really bothers you, wonder why? As I posted yesterday and the left ignored, wonder why the left always opposes voter audits, wonder if it has anything to do with Democratic Control of the major cities in this country and the fact that the left can control the message and the process so they can remain in power for decades

You got the outcome you wanted but in 2016 the shoe was on the other foot taking about voter manipulation

Voting by Mail Pros and Cons

The explosive rise in mail-in voting has touched off a largely partisan debate: Can it work to keep people safe during a pandemic, or will there be fraud and counting/mailing errors? FindLaw explores the pros and cons of voting by mail in the 2020 general election.

www.findlaw.com

Mail-In Voting: Reasons Against​

• Voter registration rolls can be inaccurate. In January, the State of California and the County of Los Angeles agreed to remove up to 1.5 million inactive names from voter registration rolls to settle a lawsuit brought by the conservative organization Judicial Watch. The practice of sending ballots sent to people who died or moved away can lend itself to potential fraud.
• Casting ballots outside the public eye may lend itself to voter impersonation and coercion.
• Although supporters say fraud is rare, the likelihood of voter fraud is somewhat higher with mail ballots.
• Mail ballots are often cast well ahead of Election Day, so voters may miss important late developments in campaigns that might otherwise influence their votes.
• The experience in several state primaries this year (see below) casts doubt on how effectively voting by mail can be administered in November.
• More things can go wrong with mailed balloting. The voter needs to get the ballot on time and return it on time. Even if ballots are received on time, they can be rejected for a variety of reasons, often clerical. In the 2016 Presidential Election, an estimated 4% of mailed ballots were not counted.

 

[bluesmoke]

I can see that the audit of the election results really bothers you, wonder why? As I posted yesterday and the left ignored, wonder why the left always opposes voter audits, wonder if it has anything to do with Democratic Control of the major cities in this country and the fact that the left can control the message and the process so they can remain in power for decades

You got the outcome you wanted but in 2016 the shoe was on the other foot taking about voter manipulation

Voting by Mail Pros and Cons

The explosive rise in mail-in voting has touched off a largely partisan debate: Can it work to keep people safe during a pandemic, or will there be fraud and counting/mailing errors? FindLaw explores the pros and cons of voting by mail in the 2020 general election.

www.findlaw.com

Mail-In Voting: Reasons Against​

• Voter registration rolls can be inaccurate. In January, the State of California and the County of Los Angeles agreed to remove up to 1.5 million inactive names from voter registration rolls to settle a lawsuit brought by the conservative organization Judicial Watch. The practice of sending ballots sent to people who died or moved away can lend itself to potential fraud.
• Casting ballots outside the public eye may lend itself to voter impersonation and coercion.
• Although supporters say fraud is rare, the likelihood of voter fraud is somewhat higher with mail ballots.
• Mail ballots are often cast well ahead of Election Day, so voters may miss important late developments in campaigns that might otherwise influence their votes.
• The experience in several state primaries this year (see below) casts doubt on how effectively voting by mail can be administered in November.
• More things can go wrong with mailed balloting. The voter needs to get the ballot on time and return it on time. Even if ballots are received on time, they can be rejected for a variety of reasons, often clerical. In the 2016 Presidential Election, an estimated 4% of mailed ballots were not counted.

"In the 2016 Presidential Election, an estimated 4% of mailed ballots were not counted."

As usual, you don't have one iota of evidence to support your 4% figure, let alone the fact that the reasons for rejecting those ballots are legitimate, not enough fraud to even categorize a count, and show the system is working to keep away illegitimate voting.