[W:233] Virtually all hospitalized Covid patients have one thing in common

[maxparrish]

The risk of death from vaccine related myocarditis is ZERO. However there is a risk of dying if a teenager gets Covid, and thats not the only possible bad outcome if he or she gets infected. Furthermore the child is 60% more likely to spread the virus to others who may be more susceptible like his parents or grandparents. Getting vaccinated despite the tiny risk of heart involvement (about .0001%) is the SOCIALLY responsible thing to do.
Covidiots haven’t a clue about social responsibility because nearly all of them are too selfish to care about anyone but themselves.

Let us list the ways in which your objection is misleading, mistaken, and short-sighted:

1) The risk is vaccine initiated myocarditis is not zero, but it is unknown. As far as I know there is not a test that can differentiate between vaccine/non-vaccine caused myocarditis induced death.

2) For example, Simone Scott a first-year Northwestern University student, suffered a case of apparent myocarditis-induced heart failure on Sunday, May 16, despite extraordinary measures to save her, including a heart transplant, at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago. Her story:

Simone got two shots. After the first she had severe side effects but recovered. After the second she again had severe side effects and became progressively and severely fatigued, seeing doctors three times over three days. On Sunday, May 16. Simone texted her father that she was too dizzy to get out of bed or eat. Her mother packed a bag and began the drive from Ohio to Illinois. Her dad called campus police and asked them to check on her.

They found Simone unable to walk and called an ambulance to take her to nearby North Shore Hospital. Her mother appeared, the doctor telling her that her daughter had gone into heart failure as she was being transported to the hospital and needed immediate surgery for a balloon pump. She was diagnosed Simone with myocarditis - heart inflammation.

The implant failed, and on May 23 he got a transplant. But that too eventually failed at she died on June 11. The parents attempted to get her case reported to VAERS but the doctors seemed ambivalent about doing so (and its unclear that they did).

Of course there is no "test" that says her heart inflammation was natural or vaccine induced treatment, but if myocarditis is up to 200x greater than background in vaccinated persons within 7 - 14 days after 2nd dosage it's clearly the most likely reason.

3) The data, which is likely 1/8th of actuals are reported to VAERS, and it shows a substantial number of deaths subsequent to COVID vaccinations from various known and unknown induced causes. Moreover outside the system there is statistical evidence of 10s or 100s of thousands of deaths shortly after the second dosage.

So no, it a person falls within the 99.97 to 99.99 percent rate of those age groups that don't get a life threatening case of COVID, its insane to get a vaccination.

 

[Ethel2]

Let us list the ways in which your objection is misleading, mistaken, and short-sighted:

1) The risk is vaccine initiated myocarditis is not zero, but it is unknown. As far as I know there is not a test that can differentiate between vaccine/non-vaccine caused myocarditis induced death.

2) For example, Simone Scott a first-year Northwestern University student, suffered a case of apparent myocarditis-induced heart failure on Sunday, May 16, despite extraordinary measures to save her, including a heart transplant, at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago. Her story:

Simone got two shots. After the first she had severe side effects but recovered. After the second she again had severe side effects and became progressively and severely fatigued, seeing doctors three times over three days. On Sunday, May 16. Simone texted her father that she was too dizzy to get out of bed or eat. Her mother packed a bag and began the drive from Ohio to Illinois. Her dad called campus police and asked them to check on her.

They found Simone unable to walk and called an ambulance to take her to nearby North Shore Hospital. Her mother appeared, the doctor telling her that her daughter had gone into heart failure as she was being transported to the hospital and needed immediate surgery for a balloon pump. She was diagnosed Simone with myocarditis - heart inflammation.

The implant failed, and on May 23 he got a transplant. But that too eventually failed at she died on June 11. The parents attempted to get her case reported to VAERS but the doctors seemed ambivalent about doing so (and its unclear that they did).

Of course there is no "test" that says her heart inflammation was natural or vaccine induced treatment, but if myocarditis is up to 200x greater than background in vaccinated persons within 7 - 14 days after 2nd dosage it's clearly the most likely reason.

3) The data, which is likely 1/8th of actuals are reported to VAERS, and it shows a substantial number of deaths subsequent to COVID vaccinations from various known and unknown induced causes. Moreover outside the system there is statistical evidence of 10s or 100s of thousands of deaths shortly after the second dosage.

So no, it a person falls within the 99.97 to 99.99 percent rate of those age groups that don't get a life threatening case of COVID, its insane to get a vaccination.

Fact: so far there have been ZERO deaths due to cardiac involvement following vaccination. Thats zero (0).

Fact: the only deaths attributable to the mRNA vaccines so far occurred in very frail elderly people who probably shouldn’t have been given the vaccine anyway. They had anticipated side effects like fever and diarrhea that they couldn’t handle
Fact: the risk of cardiac involvement after a dose of the mRNA vaccines is approximately.001%

You will have to pardon me if I discount your anecdote as it was concocted and presented without a link to a reputable medical source

 

[maxparrish]

Fact: so far there have been ZERO deaths due to cardiac involvement following vaccination. Thats zero (0).

Fact: the only deaths attributable to the mRNA vaccines so far occurred in very frail elderly people who probably shouldn’t have been given the vaccine anyway. They had anticipated side effects like fever and diarrhea that they couldn’t handle
Fact: the risk of cardiac involvement after a dose of the mRNA vaccines is approximately.001%

You will have to pardon me if I discount your anecdote as it was concocted and presented without a link to a reputable medical source

I'll provide the link so you can retract your assertion(s):

Thread by @AlexBerenson on Thread Reader App

@AlexBerenson: THREAD 19-year-old Simone Scott was excited to get her second dose of @moderna_tx’s #Covid vaccine on May 1. Now her mother Valerie Kraimer is arranging her funeral. Simone, a first-year Northwestern ...…

threadreaderapp.com

Also:

Northwestern University student appears to have died from heart inflammation linked to COVID vaccine | The College Fix

The student paper said she died from ‘pneumonia complications.’…

www.thecollegefix.com

It all seems so painfully (un) necessary

p HOMEHEALTH FREEDOMSECOND AMENDMENTPREPPINGSURVIVALCENSORSHIPSUBSCRIBESHOPFRIDAY, JUNE 18, 2021 UNCENSORED AND INDEPENDENT MEDIA NEWSCovid vaccine forced 19-year-old student into HEART TRANSPLANT,…

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And the deaths associated with COVID vaccines, as reported to VAERS (Jun 11), are close nearly 6,000. Moreover, 374 of those reported deaths have been of those less than 50yr old. (42 of them below the age of 24).

Moreover, vaccine associated hospitalizations have been (as of Jun 11) 20,737.

Here is he grim (partial) tally of COVID vaccination...so far:

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And as VAERS is voluntary it has been estimated to represent no more than 1 in 6 (and more like 1 in 8) of the actual incidence of vaccine side-effects. A wise individual, when calculating their risk, would multiply it by 6 to 8, and then decide if vaccination is risker than the potential of actual infection and its outcome.

For young adults and children the risks are far to great and the reward too little.

Red Boxes Page - OpenVAERS

www.openvaers.com

 

[Ethel2]

I'll provide the link so you can retract your assertion(s):

Thread by @AlexBerenson on Thread Reader App

@AlexBerenson: THREAD 19-year-old Simone Scott was excited to get her second dose of @moderna_tx’s #Covid vaccine on May 1. Now her mother Valerie Kraimer is arranging her funeral. Simone, a first-year Northwestern ...…

threadreaderapp.com

Also:

Northwestern University student appears to have died from heart inflammation linked to COVID vaccine | The College Fix

The student paper said she died from ‘pneumonia complications.’…

www.thecollegefix.com

It all seems so painfully (un) necessary

p HOMEHEALTH FREEDOMSECOND AMENDMENTPREPPINGSURVIVALCENSORSHIPSUBSCRIBESHOPFRIDAY, JUNE 18, 2021 UNCENSORED AND INDEPENDENT MEDIA NEWSCovid vaccine forced 19-year-old student into HEART TRANSPLANT,…

blogfactory.co.uk

And the deaths associated with COVID vaccines, as reported to VAERS (Jun 11), are close nearly 6,000. Moreover, 374 of those reported deaths have been of those less than 50yr old. (42 of them below the age of 24).

Moreover, vaccine associated hospitalizations have been (as of Jun 11) 20,737.

Here is he grim (partial) tally of COVID vaccination...so far:

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And as VAERS is voluntary it has been estimated to represent no more than 1 in 6 (and more like 1 in 8) of the actual incidence of vaccine side-effects. A wise individual, when calculating their risk, would multiply it by 6 to 8, and then decide if vaccination is risker than the potential of actual infection and its outcome.

For young adults and children the risks are far to great and the reward too little.

Red Boxes Page - OpenVAERS

www.openvaers.com

What a load of crap. This is from your own link, for example:

“ Simone’s physicians still have not confirmed that her vaccine caused her heart failure.”

Believe it or not people die after getting vaccinated but not because of vaccination. People get myocarditis even though they weren’t vaccinated. With the millions of doses given some people are going to die after being vaccinated UNRELATED to the vaccines. You produced raw VAERS data. Every report is investigated and the ONLY people whose death may have been hastened by being vaccinated were elderly frail people.
You are confused: not all bad things that happen to vaccinated people are because of the vaccine.
So we are back to this: zero deaths as a result of myocarditis associated with the vaccines as of right now.
Admit it: you are wrong (again).
Face it: these vaccines are a home run. Only covidiots would disagree; only covidiots spread MISINFORMATION because they can’t understand the medical facts.

 

[Ethel2]

I'll provide the link so you can retract your assertion(s):

Thread by @AlexBerenson on Thread Reader App

@AlexBerenson: THREAD 19-year-old Simone Scott was excited to get her second dose of @moderna_tx’s #Covid vaccine on May 1. Now her mother Valerie Kraimer is arranging her funeral. Simone, a first-year Northwestern ...…

threadreaderapp.com

Also:

Northwestern University student appears to have died from heart inflammation linked to COVID vaccine | The College Fix

The student paper said she died from ‘pneumonia complications.’…

www.thecollegefix.com

It all seems so painfully (un) necessary

p HOMEHEALTH FREEDOMSECOND AMENDMENTPREPPINGSURVIVALCENSORSHIPSUBSCRIBESHOPFRIDAY, JUNE 18, 2021 UNCENSORED AND INDEPENDENT MEDIA NEWSCovid vaccine forced 19-year-old student into HEART TRANSPLANT,…

blogfactory.co.uk

And the deaths associated with COVID vaccines, as reported to VAERS (Jun 11), are close nearly 6,000. Moreover, 374 of those reported deaths have been of those less than 50yr old. (42 of them below the age of 24).

Moreover, vaccine associated hospitalizations have been (as of Jun 11) 20,737.

Here is he grim (partial) tally of COVID vaccination...so far:

View attachment 67339783

​

And as VAERS is voluntary it has been estimated to represent no more than 1 in 6 (and more like 1 in 8) of the actual incidence of vaccine side-effects. A wise individual, when calculating their risk, would multiply it by 6 to 8, and then decide if vaccination is risker than the potential of actual infection and its outcome.

For young adults and children the risks are far to great and the reward too little.

Red Boxes Page - OpenVAERS

www.openvaers.com

One more thing that puts to rest your misinformation. You cannot cite the VAERS system raw data as a judgment on vaccine safety:

“ VAERS cannot and does not determine whether a vaccine caused something. The CDC states this clearly in their disclaimer: "A report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine caused the adverse event, only that the adverse event occurred some time after vaccination." The disclaimer continues, "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental or unverifiable."

I would feel pretty foolish if I wrote a confused post like your last one.

 

[maxparrish]

What a load of crap. This is from your own link, for example:

“ Simone’s physicians still have not confirmed that her vaccine caused her heart failure.”

Believe it or not people die after getting vaccinated but not because of vaccination. People get myocarditis even though they weren’t vaccinated. With the millions of doses given some people are going to die after being vaccinated UNRELATED to the vaccines. You produced raw VAERS data. Every report is investigated and the ONLY people whose death may have been hastened by being vaccinated were elderly frail people.
You are confused: not all bad things that happen to vaccinated people are because of the vaccine.
So we are back to this: zero deaths as a result of myocarditis associated with the vaccines as of right now.
Admit it: you are wrong (again).
Face it: these vaccines are a home run. Only covidiots would disagree; only covidiots spread MISINFORMATION because they can’t understand the medical facts.

a) As I stated, there is no testing method that can confirm with certainty that her myocarditis was from her vaccination. But data alone strongly indicates that she is 100 or more times likely to have had myocarditis because she was vaccinated. The odds of her disease being natural is about 100 or more times lower than it being from the vaccine - therefore it is near certain. Therefore one must assume that her death was vaccine induced.

b) Circumstantially it's timing and development was exactly within the time frame of other vaccine associated events.

c) Not all bad things that happen to vaccinated people because of the vaccine, but when MORE bad things happen that is normal in an age group or specific period of time after a vaccination you now it is likely vaccine related. And when those bad things are many, many, many times the natural rate , this isn't disputable. She got it from the vaccine and it killed her.

No we are not back to "zero deaths", we are back to "unknown deaths". There is no reason to suppose that P/M from vaccines are somehow miraculously different than from other causes.

FACE IT: there is a risk, and that risk must be balanced against benefit.

 

[maxparrish]

One more thing that puts to rest your misinformation. You cannot cite the VAERS system raw data as a judgment on vaccine safety:

“ VAERS cannot and does not determine whether a vaccine caused something. The CDC states this clearly in their disclaimer: "A report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine caused the adverse event, only that the adverse event occurred some time after vaccination." The disclaimer continues, "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental or unverifiable."

I would feel pretty foolish if I wrote a confused post like your last one.

Then perhaps you should feel foolish for not realizing VAERs data is a) a small fraction of the total incidents from vaccination b) even taking that fraction at face value if it occurs more often than it should be statistically over a study period (7 days after the 2nd dose) then ya, the adverse event is correlated with the vaccination. And absent any other plausible unrelated correlation its strong evidence that he vaccine caused it.

EG Heart Inflamation.

(And as the source points out: "VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System put in place in 1990. It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% (see the Lazarus Report) of vaccine injuries.")

 

[Risky Thicket]

If you are vaccinated, and NO hospital patient was unvaccinated, doesn't that mean you are safe? Why stick your nose in other people's freedom? You are gonna be just fine. This bit about worrying about others getting it is just SJW posturing.

Brilliant! So you have no problem with a naked dude serving himself at a salad bar in a public restaurant? You're cool with people smoking in public and government buildings? You are a supporter of all gender public toilets? You have no truck with people who would buy billboard space on roads near your house and near public schools that say "**** ______ (pick a politician)"?

 

[Ethel2]

Then perhaps you should feel foolish for not realizing VAERs data is a) a small fraction of the total incidents from vaccination b) even taking that fraction at face value if it occurs more often than it should be statistically over a study period (7 days after the 2nd dose) then ya, the adverse event is correlated with the vaccination. And absent any other plausible unrelated correlation its strong evidence that he vaccine caused it.

EG Heart Inflamation.

(And as the source points out: "VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System put in place in 1990. It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% (see the Lazarus Report) of vaccine injuries.")

First-again, the VAERS raw data is proof of absolutely nothing. Every single report is investigated and a determination is made as to whether or not the reported event is CAUSED BY vaccination or is it due to something else or something for which a determination can’t be made. Its idiotic to quote the raw data and imply, as you have, that the data alone is sufficient evidence of adverse events. Such a post would typically be made either by someone who has an agenda or by someone who simply doesn’t understand the VAERS system.
Second, the CDC has already recommended that a warning about myocarditis be placed on the information sheet for the mRNA vaccines. Its a very rare side effect and to date there hasn’t been a single death from cardiac involvement-that is a fact. It may happen; it hasn’t happened yet.
Finally, I won’t contest your assertion that some underreporting of adverse events occurs. However it’s unlikely that serious side effects are significantly underreported. Headaches and nausea, yes; serious side effects, probably not.

You are seriously misinformed. And you are responsible for spreading misinformation. Hopefully you understand that now.

 

[Paradoxical]

Brilliant! So you have no problem with a naked dude serving himself at a salad bar in a public restaurant? You're cool with people smoking in public and government buildings? You are a supporter of all gender public toilets? You have no truck with people who would buy billboard space on roads near your house and near public schools that say "**** ______ (pick a politician)"?

These continued false equivalents are just diversionary tactics and are not in any way shape or form the same.

 

[Fledermaus]

Influenza can mutate…it’s highly possible that at some future date something as lethal as Spanish flu could emerge. SF killed millions of young, healthy people…unlike Covid.

Yes. And?

 

[snakestretcher]

These continued false equivalents are just diversionary tactics and are not in any way shape or form the same.

I doubt you understand what 'analogy' is. I suggest you look up the definition.

 

[Fledermaus]

It’s a tiny risk to any healthy person. I think the U.K. even with the surge in the Delta variant is only seeing about 10 or so deaths a day …this is not the threat you lockdown lovers were hoping for.

So, yes.

Still killing people.

And I guess everyone is healthy. Yes?

 

[Paradoxical]

I doubt you understand what 'analogy' is. I suggest you look up the definition.

Yea. Not wearing masks is like not wearing clothes in public.

Gotcha.

 

[snakestretcher]

So, yes.

Still killing people.

And I guess everyone is healthy. Yes?

They would be, if only they took Ivermectin...

 

[snakestretcher]

Yea. Not wearing masks is like not wearing clothes in public.

Gotcha.

So you don't understand. Ok.

 

[Paradoxical]

a) As I stated, there is no testing method that can confirm with certainty that her myocarditis was from her vaccination. But data alone strongly indicates that she is 100 or more times likely to have had myocarditis because she was vaccinated. The odds of her disease being natural is about 100 or more times lower than it being from the vaccine - therefore it is near certain. Therefore one must assume that her death was vaccine induced.

b) Circumstantially it's timing and development was exactly within the time frame of other vaccine associated events.

c) Not all bad things that happen to vaccinated people because of the vaccine, but when MORE bad things happen that is normal in an age group or specific period of time after a vaccination you now it is likely vaccine related. And when those bad things are many, many, many times the natural rate , this isn't disputable. She got it from the vaccine and it killed her.

No we are not back to "zero deaths", we are back to "unknown deaths". There is no reason to suppose that P/M from vaccines are somehow miraculously different than from other causes.

FACE IT: there is a risk, and that risk must be balanced against benefit.

What amazes me is the same people that question deaths from the vaccine as reported are the same ones who don’t question reports of death from Covid. Why? It doesn’t conform to their fabricated narrative.

 

[Paradoxical]

So you don't understand. Ok.

How about…,,
Not wearing a mask is like taking a dump on someone’s lawn.
Not wearing a mask is like shooting someone.
Not wearing a mask is like attempted murder.
Need any more “analogies”?

 

[snakestretcher]

How about…,,
Not wearing a mask is like taking a dump on someone’s lawn.
Not wearing a mask is like shooting someone.
Not wearing a mask is like attempted murder.
Need any more “analogies”?

If you want to continue dealing in stupidity, be my guest.

 

[Paradoxical]

If you want to continue dealing in stupidity, be my guest.

Just showing that anyone can and do CLAIM anything. But because someone is able to post junk like analogies to not wearing a mask doesn’t make the claim true because it is posted.

 

[snakestretcher]

Just showing that anyone can and do CLAIM anything. But because someone is able to post junk like analogies to not wearing a mask doesn’t make the claim true because it is posted.

You believe whatever you want to believe.

 

[Ethel2]

What amazes me is the same people that question deaths from the vaccine as reported are the same ones who don’t question reports of death from Covid. Why? It doesn’t conform to their fabricated narrative.

Logic and truth are what amazes you. Believe it or not there is a world where reality exists.
Its just not the one you live in.
No surprise there...

 

[Paradoxical]

You believe whatever you want to believe.

If you want to believe not wearing a mask is like being naked at a salad bar, be my guest.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Influenza can mutate…it’s highly possible that at some future date something as lethal as Spanish flu could emerge. SF killed millions of young, healthy people…unlike Covid.

LOL, yep, it could. We'd be as fwacked as we are now looking at how Americans have handled Covid, no progress made over the last 100 years in the human psych.

It makes no difference if it kills the young, or old, or in between, unless you believe in "culling of the heard."

 

[snakestretcher]

If you want to believe not wearing a mask is like being naked at a salad bar, be my guest.

It's equally socially unacceptable, but not as potentially deadly.