[W:233] Virtually all hospitalized Covid patients have one thing in common

[Fledermaus]

You made a claim that was your opinion and I made one that was mine. case closed. There is no data available to prove either one. However..................since most of the people who died from Covid were OVER 85, it is more probable they had only a few weeks or months at most to live rather than years, just based on actuarial tables.

Pathetic BS.

I am not talking about the over 85 crowd.

I am talking about everyone.

But since you are focused at the 85 crowd.... My kin have topped 100 with plenty making the 90s. If they died at 85 due to COVID I am pretty damn sure they lost years.

And the amount of years lost increases as the age at death goes down.

 

[Big Eye]

Now think for a moment... 130,000+ under shutdowns, mask mandates, social distance requirements, etc.

Can you imagine what it would have looked like without?

In the U.K. all lockdowns occurred after peak infections …in other words infections were already dropping…these pandemics tend to come in waves regardless of what we do. All lockdowns do is delay, or flatten the rates of infection .

No proof whatsoever that non virus masks are suitable to stop viruses spreading.

Social distancing had a role to play…however young healthy people are better off getting the virus than the jab…better antibody defence …and the virus hardly ever causes them harm.

 

[Big Eye]

here's what you once preached and preached and preached.

well, until it made you look even worse.



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The U.K. now has the lowest death rate it has had for years…because those that were going to die now died a few months ago.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The U.K. now has the lowest death rate it has had for years…because those that were going to die now died a few months ago.

~ 129,000 dead...

 

[Fledermaus]

In the U.K. all lockdowns occurred after peak infections …in other words infections were already dropping…these pandemics tend to come in waves regardless of what we do. All lockdowns do is delay, or flatten the rates of infection .

Not true. 23 March 2020 precedes the first peak. There was a brief easing of restrictions near Christmas followed by an incease which prompted restrictions to be reimposed.

No proof whatsoever that non virus masks are suitable to stop viruses spreading.

That would be a lie.

Social distancing had a role to play…however young healthy people are better off getting the virus than the jab…better antibody defence …and the virus hardly ever causes them harm.

Yes. It had a role to play. As did lockdowns, masks and eventually vaccine. And the issue wasn't just young people getting sick but them spreading to those who would suffer.

 

[Fledermaus]

The U.K. now has the lowest death rate it has had for years…because those that were going to die now died a few months ago.

But for months on end it was COVID killing those people.

 

[Paradoxical]

Pathetic BS.

I am not talking about the over 85 crowd.

I am talking about everyone.

But since you are focused at the 85 crowd.... My kin have topped 100 with plenty making the 90s. If they died at 85 due to COVID I am pretty damn sure they lost years.

And the amount of years lost increases as the age at death goes down.

Ah yes. Typical left-wing tripe. Use the exceptions as your "proof"

 

[Paradoxical]

Now think for a moment... 130,000+ under shutdowns, mask mandates, social distance requirements, etc.

Can you imagine what it would have looked like without?

Yes. NO difference based on the states that dropped those ridiculous draconian rules.

 

[Fledermaus]

Yes. NO difference based on the states that dropped those ridiculous draconian rules.

Incorrect as usual.

 

[Fledermaus]

Ah yes. Typical left-wing tripe. Use the exceptions as your "proof"

Ah yes. Typical Paradoxical tripe.

 

[Paradoxical]

Incorrect as usual.

Really now. How are Florida and those knuckle draggers in Texas doin'?

 

[Paradoxical]

Ah yes. Typical Paradoxical tripe.

My grate gramma libbed to 103 by golly. That mus'n mean that all people live that long, by crackity!

 

[Quag]

Ah yes. Typical Paradoxical tripe.

Does he spew anything else?

 

[nota bene]

Unless otherwise directed by their physician, there are no rational reasons not to be vaccinated. Any reasons someone has for not getting the Covid vaccine are invariably based in ignorance or misinformation.

I'm startled by your presumptive pronouncement. You don't know "everybody." And none of us can be sure of the long-term effects yet.

And, obviously, the key phrase is "Unless otherwise directed by their physician.

But I will say this: I don't ever assume that any physician I'm dealing with knows more about my chronic medical situation than I do. Whenever a particular health issue arises, including dental, I generally have to school the doctor on what that deal is. I'm not going to risk my life assuming.

 

[Big Eye]

Not true. 23 March 2020 precedes the first peak. There was a brief easing of restrictions near Christmas followed by an incease which prompted restrictions to be reimposed.



That would be a lie.



Yes. It had a role to play. As did lockdowns, masks and eventually vaccine. And the issue wasn't just young people getting sick but them spreading to those who would suffer.

As usual , you are wrong…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391141/Did-UKs-coronavirus-crisis-peak-lockdown.html

There is no proof non virus masks stop or slow the spread of viruses. If you are going to call me a liar for saying that ( which you would not to my face) at least have the backbone to link to proof of the contrary.

Social distancing slows the spread…it can not stop it because ultimately people want to mix with other people…it simply delays the inevitable. Masks had no or very little role to play in stopping the spread of the virus…mask wearers died ffs. Young people rarely got sick…but it’s obvious that older , ill people, that were at risk from Covid should have kept away from younger people unless they were willing to take the risk of infection.

 

[Big Eye]

But for months on end it was COVID killing those people.

You clearly do not understand that sometimes the main killer within a contracted period is not actually anywhere near the biggest threat to health.

 

[Big Eye]

I'm startled by your presumptive pronouncement. You don't know "everybody." And none of us can be sure of the long-term effects yet.

And, obviously, the key phrase is "Unless otherwise directed by their physician.

But I will say this: I don't ever assume that any physician I'm dealing with knows more about my chronic medical situation than I do. Whenever a particular health issue arises, including dental, I generally have to school the doctor on what that deal is. I'm not going to risk my life assuming.

I believe that the latest findings suggest that vaccination is a higher risk factor to kids than Covid…so to vaccinate kids to protect adults is morally repugnant.

 

[Quag]

I believe that the latest findings suggest that vaccination is a higher risk factor to kids than Covid…so to vaccinate kids to protect adults is morally repugnant.

Got anything to support that other than your belief?

 

[Big Eye]

You clearly do not understand that sometimes the main killer within a contracted period is not actually anywhere near the biggest threat to health.

To act as an example…on the 11th of September 2001 flying in aircraft , or working in high buildings in New York, was an extremely high risk factor.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I'm startled by your presumptive pronouncement. You don't know "everybody." And none of us can be sure of the long-term effects yet.

And, obviously, the key phrase is "Unless otherwise directed by their physician.

But I will say this: I don't ever assume that any physician I'm dealing with knows more about my chronic medical situation than I do. Whenever a particular health issue arises, including dental, I generally have to school the doctor on what that deal is. I'm not going to risk my life assuming.

Actually we can be quite sure of any long term effects from the approved Covid vaccines as all of them were developed using technologies that have been in use for a long time. Moreover, what one has to do is weigh the risks of serious complications from the vaccines which are around 1 in 600,000 to 1 in 2,000,000 depending upon your age, sex, and which vaccine you get, and the risks of Covid and any serious complications from it. Even for someone in their 20s, the risks of not being vaccinated is 8 times greater than being vaccinated. For someone in their 40s, its around 50 times greater risk not being vaccinated and it only gets worse as you get older.

Long term detrimental effects from any vaccine is unprecedented, it is simply not how our immune systems work.

Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines

Protect yourself by getting vaccinated. COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. Serious safety problems are rare and long-term side effects unlikely (150)

www.cdc.gov

Experts Confident About COVID Vaccines' Long-Term Safety

'I know of no precedent of a long-term effect that comes up 5 or 10 years later,' expert says

www.medpagetoday.com

Which is why I say that if someone is choosing to not be vaccinated, their choice is based in either ignorance, or misinformation.

 

[Big Eye]

Got anything to support that other than your belief?

Here you go bud…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-catch-covid-may-safer-exposing-vaccine-risk/

 

[Quag]

Here you go bud…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-catch-covid-may-safer-exposing-vaccine-risk/

Got something not behind a paywall?

 

[Big Eye]

Actually we can be quite sure of any long term effects from the approved Covid vaccines as all of them were developed using technologies that have been in use for a long time. Moreover, what one has to do is weigh the risks of serious complications from the vaccines which are around 1 in 600,000 to 1 in 2,000,000 depending upon your age, sex, and which vaccine you get, and the risks of Covid and any serious complications from it. Even for someone in their 20s, the risks of not being vaccinated is 8 times greater than being vaccinated. For someone in their 40s, its around 50 times greater risk not being vaccinated and it only gets worse as you get older.

Long term detrimental effects from any vaccine is unprecedented, it is simply not how our immune systems work.

Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines

Protect yourself by getting vaccinated. COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. Serious safety problems are rare and long-term side effects unlikely (150)

www.cdc.gov

Experts Confident About COVID Vaccines' Long-Term Safety

'I know of no precedent of a long-term effect that comes up 5 or 10 years later,' expert says

www.medpagetoday.com

Which is why I say that if someone is choosing to not be vaccinated, their choice is based in either ignorance, or misinformation.

Kids should not be vaccinated against a disease that is of no real risk to them…or should we automatically vaccinate kids against all transmissible diseases?

 

[Big Eye]

Got something not behind a paywall?

No paywall here.. but is basically says that

Got something not behind a paywall?

qoute from behind the paywall…

“Allowing children to catch Covid may be better than exposing them to the "risk" of vaccines, a member of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation has said.

Professor Robert Dingwall said children may be “better protected by natural immunity generated through infection than by asking them to take the ‘possible’ risk of a vaccine”.”

 

[Quag]

No paywall here.. but is basically says that

qoute from behind the paywall…

“Allowing children to catch Covid may be better than exposing them to the "risk" of vaccines, a member of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation has said.

Professor Robert Dingwall said children may be “better protected by natural immunity generated through infection than by asking them to take the ‘possible’ risk of a vaccine”.”

Need to see the whole article but he say MAY be not IS in your quote

Edit seems he is in the minority

Scientists condemn 'dangerous' claims children are better off catching Covid naturally than having vaccine

Experts told i there is a huge health risk to implementing herd immunity for young people and the risk associated with not vaccinating them is far greater

inews.co.uk

A spokesperson for Public Health England said Prof Dingwall was speaking in a personal capacity and not on behalf of the JCVI.