[W:#23,579]Ukraine War Thread (7 Viewers)

[Tiger]

Protectorate?

Of course. Before the insolent Ukrainian dictator was unceremoniously booted from the White House, he was demanding American "security guarantees." Thankfully, Trump said no. However, if we did, that would by definition make Ukraine our protectorate.

Global empire?

We have 750 military installations in 80 different nations throughout the world. That means our military is in 41% of the 195 sovereign states, so yes it's definitely a global empire -- and an empire larger than any other nation known to man. Like the Brits, you can say that the sun never sets on the American flag around the globe.

--------------------------------
When did we abandon our Founding Fathers' warnings against entanglement in European wars and instead choose to build a global empire by controlling vassal states?

We're doing no such damn thing. We are protecting friends from the murdering bastards from Moscow.

Both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson—founders deeply shaped by Europe’s wars and shifting alliances—urged the United States to secure its security and prosperity by avoiding permanent ties that could drag it into Old‑World conflicts. In his 1796 Farewell Address, Washington famously counseled Americans “to steer clear of permanent alliances” and warned that interweaving the nation’s “destiny with that of any part of Europe” would entangle it “in the toils of European ambition, rivalry, interest, humor, or caprice.” Five years later, in his First Inaugural Address, Jefferson echoed that stance: “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations—entangling alliances with none.”

Yet here we are, over 250 years after the shot heard ‘round the world, and we’re entangled in yet another European war. And no, Ukraine isn’t our friend. It never has been, and the insolent little tyrant dictator running it is doing his best to keep any long-term friendship from developing. While Russia isn’t our friend either, at least at one time they were our ally in defeating Nazi Germany.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Of course. Before the insolent Ukrainian dictator was unceremoniously booted from the White House, he was demanding American "security guarantees."

Urriane's presidential election of 2019....

Trump can only wish for such a mandate.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Trump Tower project in Moscow might be offered by Putin: Report

The president first explored the idea of building a tower near the Kremlin during a visit to Moscow in 1987.

www.newsweek.com

>The Kremlin is weighing offering President Donald Trump an opportunity to resurrect plans for a Trump Tower in Moscow—reviving a dream that fizzled out nearly a decade ago—according to an independent Russian newspaper. Long-time real-estate mogul Trump first explored the idea of building a Trump Tower near the Kremlin during a visit to Moscow in July 1987. In his memoir Art of the Deal published that year, he envisioned "a large luxury hotel across the street from the Kremlin in partnership with the Soviet government." Sources close to the Kremlin told the Moscow Times that Russian officials have discussed reviving Trump's real-estate project in order to "lure" him into a "big deal" to restore bilateral relations.
According to sources cited by the Moscow Times, companies such as Rosneft, Rosatom, Rusal, and Polyus Gold were involved in brainstorming plans. The Moscow Trump Tower plan stood out for its potential to be launched quickly. "Speed, effect and spectacle are important here—everything that Trump intuitively values," a source close to the Kremlin said.<

The transactional Trump would crawl before Putin in order to secure his much ballyhoo'd Trump Tower Moscow.

---

China buyers selling knockoffs of Russian military gear back to Russa

Some of the cheaply produced kit has also been found on dead Ukrainian soldiers, one defense industry insider says.

www.newsweek.com

>Chinese nationals have been caught smuggling Russian military gear out of the country before reselling knockoffs back to Russia, authorities have told Russia's Izvestia newspaper. The items included bulletproof vests and uniforms that had been reversed-engineered and reproduced with inferior material, customs officials said.<

I'd be more shocked if the Chinese weren't involved in stealing and reselling IP.

---

Putin skips chance for Trump meeting at Pope Francis funeral

President Donald Trump has said he will attend the funeral at the Vatican. But Vladimir Putin has an ICC warrant out for his arrest.

www.newsweek.com

>Russia's President Vladimir Putin said he will not be at the funeral of Pope Francis, an event U.S. President Donald Trump said he will attend. It could have been the first face-to-face meeting of the men since Trump returned to office with a promise to end Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Putin said he has not yet decided who will represent Russia at the funeral on Saturday, April 26, the Russian state news agency RIA reported. The funeral of Pope Francis will take place in the Vatican on Saturday at 10:00 a.m. The pope died on Monday, April 21, after a stroke. He was struggling to recover from bilateral pneumonia. There is an arrest warrant from the International Criminal Court for Putin over alleged war crimes relating to his invasion of Ukraine that would have complicated his attendance at the pope's funeral.<

Italy's Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni and two of her government ministers are under investigation by Rome prosecutors over the country's surprise release and repatriation of a Libyan General (Osama Najim/a/k/a/ Almasri) who is wanted by the International Criminal Court (ICC). The ICC warrant against Almasri accuses him of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in Libya's Mitiga prison, starting in 2015, that are punishable with life in prison.

---

On the shield. How Ukraine returns bodies of fallen soldiers and prisoners killed in Russia

Read more

newsukraine.rbc.ua

If anyone has ever wondered.....

 

[Tiger]

Urriane's presidential election of 2019....

(irrelevant image redacted from brevity)

Trump can only wish for such a mandate.

Your statement is a non sequitur. What does Zelensky's election—and his refusal to hold any more elections—have to do with my post?

 

[Quag]

Your statement is a non sequitur. What does Zelensky's election—and his refusal to hold any more elections—have to do with my post?

Zelensky isnt a dictator and it is the Ukranian constitution that prevents elections during war not Zelensky
You continue ignore the fact that Russia is a fascist dictatorship

 

[JANFU]

 

[JANFU]

 

[JANFU]

 

[JANFU]

 

[JANFU]

 

[Tiger]

Zelensky isnt a dictator and...

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it most likely is a duck. As for the insolent petty tyrant Zelensky, how can you not call him a dictator? Here are the FACTS:

• He's in the 6th year of a 5 year term,
• Declared Martial Law on 24 Feb 2022,
• Banned elections. Abraham Lincoln ran for re-election during the Civil War, while FDR was re-elected during WW-2. For those arguing that holding elections were not practical in Ukraine, he could have followed the Churchill WW-2 or post-October 7th Israeli pattern of forming "unity governments".
• Banned opposition political parties (11 in total)
• Banned media organizations that questioned his decisions and/or refused to publish party propaganda,
• Forcibly combined TV media into one state-run platform called “United News” (Єдиний новини).
• Censored multiple journalist, including arresting US Citizen Gonzalo Lira who died in Zelensky's prison system (was he murdered?).
• Bans Churches like Mao and Stalin did and seizes Church property without court hearings,
• Incorporated the private neo-Nazi militia (the Azov Battalion) into the national army

...it is the Ukranian constitution that prevents elections during war not Zelensky

There’s nothing in the Ukrainian Constitution that prevents elections. The Constitution allows for the postponement of elections under martial law, but it does not mandate their cancellation. Zelensky and his party made the choice to declare martial law and suspend elections—not because the Constitution required it, but because it was politically expedient and allowed his party to further consolidate its grip on power.

You continue ignore the fact that Russia is a fascist dictatorship

I’m not ignoring the fact that Russia is led by a dictator. As I’ve said many times, this war is being fought between two nations, each led by a pint-sized little dictator. The only real difference—aside from Russia winning—is that Putin has a better tailor than the insolent Zelenskyy.

 

[Quag]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it most likely is a duck. As for the insolent petty tyrant Zelensky, how can you not call him a dictator? Here are the FACTS:

• He's in the 6th year of a 5 year term,
• Declared Martial Law on 24 Feb 2022,
• Banned elections. Abraham Lincoln ran for re-election during the Civil War, while FDR was re-elected during WW-2. For those arguing that holding elections were not practical in Ukraine, he could have followed the Churchill WW-2 or post-October 7th Israeli pattern of forming "unity governments".
• Banned opposition political parties (11 in total)
• Banned media organizations that questioned his decisions and/or refused to publish party propaganda,
• Forcibly combined TV media into one state-run platform called “United News” (Єдиний новини).
• Censored multiple journalist, including arresting US Citizen Gonzalo Lira who died in Zelensky's prison system (was he murdered?).
• Bans Churches like Mao and Stalin did and seizes Church property without court hearings,
• Incorporated the private neo-Nazi militia (the Azov Battalion) into the national army




There’s nothing in the Ukrainian Constitution that prevents elections. The Constitution allows for the postponement of elections under martial law, but it does not mandate their cancellation. Zelensky and his party made the choice to declare martial law and suspend elections—not because the Constitution required it, but because it was politically expedient and allowed his party to further consolidate its grip on power.



I’m not ignoring the fact that Russia is led by a dictator. As I’ve said many times, this war is being fought between two nations, each led by a pint-sized little dictator. The only real difference—aside from Russia winning—is that Putin has a better tailor than the insolent Zelenskyy.

Why do you regurgitate BS fascist Putin propaganda?
Why do you support an actual fascist dictator?

 

[JANFU]

A good read

Thread by @ChrisO_wiki on Thread Reader App

@ChrisO_wiki: 1/ Disastrous Russian attempts to mount armoured assaults are being blamed on commanders relying too much on electronic warfare equipment to defeat drones while ignoring the need to ensure that it is u...…

threadreaderapp.com

 

[JANFU]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it most likely is a duck. As for the insolent petty tyrant Zelensky, how can you not call him a dictator? Here are the FACTS:

• He's in the 6th year of a 5 year term,
• Declared Martial Law on 24 Feb 2022,
• Banned elections. Abraham Lincoln ran for re-election during the Civil War, while FDR was re-elected during WW-2. For those arguing that holding elections were not practical in Ukraine, he could have followed the Churchill WW-2 or post-October 7th Israeli pattern of forming "unity governments".
• Banned opposition political parties (11 in total)
• Banned media organizations that questioned his decisions and/or refused to publish party propaganda,
• Forcibly combined TV media into one state-run platform called “United News” (Єдиний новини).
• Censored multiple journalist, including arresting US Citizen Gonzalo Lira who died in Zelensky's prison system (was he murdered?).
• Bans Churches like Mao and Stalin did and seizes Church property without court hearings,
• Incorporated the private neo-Nazi militia (the Azov Battalion) into the national army




There’s nothing in the Ukrainian Constitution that prevents elections. The Constitution allows for the postponement of elections under martial law, but it does not mandate their cancellation. Zelensky and his party made the choice to declare martial law and suspend elections—not because the Constitution required it, but because it was politically expedient and allowed his party to further consolidate its grip on power.



I’m not ignoring the fact that Russia is led by a dictator. As I’ve said many times, this war is being fought between two nations, each led by a pint-sized little dictator. The only real difference—aside from Russia winning—is that Putin has a better tailor than the insolent Zelenskyy.

Is someone calling you?

 

[Tiger]

Why do you regurgitate BS fascist Putin propaganda?

Facts are stubborn things. Why do you reject the truth just because it’s inconvenient for the false narrative you’re so eager to spread?

Why do you support an actual fascist dictator?

To be clear, I don’t support either of the pint-sized dictators driving this war. I’ve consistently argued that this proxy conflict should never have started and must be brought to an end. That’s why I support Trump’s efforts to negotiate peace—despite the fact that both Putin and Zelenskyy seem intent on prolonging the bloodshed.

 

[Tiger]

Is someone calling you?

No. What about you? Do facts trouble you?

 

[JANFU]

 

[JANFU]

No. What about you? Do facts trouble you?

Did you forget them

 

[Tiger]

Did you forget them

No, I shared them. Facts are stubborn things. Why does it seem the truth is so inconvenient for you to accept?

 

[JANFU]

No, I shared them. Facts are stubborn things. Why does it seem the truth is so inconvenient for you to accept?

3

 

[JANFU]

 

[Hamish Howl]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it most likely is a duck. As for the insolent petty tyrant Zelensky, how can you not call him a dictator? Here are the FACTS:

• He's in the 6th year of a 5 year term,
• Declared Martial Law on 24 Feb 2022,
• Banned elections. Abraham Lincoln ran for re-election during the Civil War, while FDR was re-elected during WW-2. For those arguing that holding elections were not practical in Ukraine, he could have followed the Churchill WW-2 or post-October 7th Israeli pattern of forming "unity governments".
• Banned opposition political parties (11 in total)
• Banned media organizations that questioned his decisions and/or refused to publish party propaganda,
• Forcibly combined TV media into one state-run platform called “United News” (Єдиний новини).
• Censored multiple journalist, including arresting US Citizen Gonzalo Lira who died in Zelensky's prison system (was he murdered?).
• Bans Churches like Mao and Stalin did and seizes Church property without court hearings,
• Incorporated the private neo-Nazi militia (the Azov Battalion) into the national army




There’s nothing in the Ukrainian Constitution that prevents elections. The Constitution allows for the postponement of elections under martial law, but it does not mandate their cancellation. Zelensky and his party made the choice to declare martial law and suspend elections—not because the Constitution required it, but because it was politically expedient and allowed his party to further consolidate its grip on power.



I’m not ignoring the fact that Russia is led by a dictator. As I’ve said many times, this war is being fought between two nations, each led by a pint-sized little dictator. The only real difference—aside from Russia winning—is that Putin has a better tailor than the insolent Zelenskyy.

This is one of those lie by omission thing.

You keep leaving out the bit where he is constitutionally prohibited from holding an election.

Why are your posts so dishonest?

 

[Tiger]

This is one of those lie by omission thing.

You keep leaving out the bit where he is constitutionally prohibited from holding an election.

There's nothing in their Constitution that prohibits election. The Ukrainian constitution allows martial law, but doesn't mandate it. If you can prove I'm wrong, why haven't you or others provided the Constitutional quote and link to the text?

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” -- George Orwell, 1984

Why are your posts so dishonest?

There's nothing dishonest in my post. The truth simply rejects the faux narrative that warmongers wish to spread. Why does it seem to upset you and others?

 

[Quag]

Facts are stubborn things. Why do you reject the truth just because it’s inconvenient for the false narrative you’re so eager to spread?

Like a good CTer you take some fact then accept the narrative fascist Russia makes with them

To be clear, I don’t support either of the pint-sized dictators driving this war. I’ve consistently argued that this proxy conflict should never have started and must be brought to an end. That’s why I support Trump’s efforts to negotiate peace—despite the fact that both Putin and Zelenskyy seem intent on prolonging the bloodshed.

Oh look more BS

 

[JANFU]