[W:#23,579]Ukraine War Thread (1 Viewer)

[NewfieMom]

Why are we letting Mike Johnson hold up aid to Ukraine? He should not be able to dictate foreign policy. Everyone knows the will of Congress is to get aid to Ukraine and that both Houses will approve it. How do we overthrow the fascist stopping Ukraine aid and helping Putin? How are we letting him get away with this? Isn't this supposedly a democracy? Where is the will of the people? It isn't being expressed due to the tyranny of the Speaker of the House being left to run roughshod over everyone else. We need a discharge petition or a sit-in.

 

[JANFU]

 

[JANFU]

Why are we letting Mike Johnson hold up aid to Ukraine? He should not be able to dictate foreign policy. Everyone knows the will of Congress is to get aid to Ukraine and that both Houses will approve it. How do we overthrow the fascist stopping Ukraine aid and helping Putin? How are we letting him get away with this? Isn't this supposedly a democracy? Where is the will of the people? It isn't being expressed due to the tyranny of the Speaker of the House being left to run roughshod over everyone else. We need a discharge petition or a sit-in.

We should see a discharge petition submitted to the House
Problem is, Ukraine aid would pass. Israel aid, another issue, with some Ds voting against
Either way, Johnson brings the bill to the house will or the petition will be voted on


Add on a govt shutdown coming as well

 

[911Sparky]

This NYT expose on Ukraine-US intelligence cooperation is incredibly informative and interesting.

Here's a gift-link to the article. The NYT is a national treasure!

Great story, thank you.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Know your enemy.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[EMNofSeattle]

GOP Senator Thom Tillis slaps Tucker Carlson down for his grocery store trip

Senate Republican rips Tucker Carlson over Russia grocery store trip

Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) ripped Tucker Carlson on Thursday for the conservative pundit’s recent praise of Russia President Vladimir Putin following a Moscow trip the commentator took that in…

thehill.com

Lol Tillis doesn’t even attempt to rebut Tuckers arguments because he can’t, Moscow is in fact a much nicer city then any major city in America

 

[Rogue Valley]

Russia advances in Ukraine with "staggering magnitude" of losses: Petraeus

"I don't know how Putin can abide this"—the former CIA director told Newsweek of "incredible" Russian casualties.

www.newsweek.com

2.27.24
Moscow's "incremental" victories in Ukraine are coming with "incredible" human losses, former CIA director and U.S. Army general David Petraeus has said, as Kyiv marks two years of full-scale war with no end in sight. "I don't know how Putin can abide this except that he is just such a cold-blooded, brutal autocrat, who has obviously no concern whatsoever for the wellbeing of his people, and certainly for the soldiers on the frontlines," Petraeus added.

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Putin's new military decree preparation for "large scale" war with NATO—ISW

Russian officials have routinely called for strikes on U.S. soil and the West over weapons and aid sent to Ukraine.

www.newsweek.com

2.27.24
Russian President Vladimir Putin's new military decrees re-establishing the Moscow and Leningrad Military Districts indicate he is preparing for a potential large-scale war with NATO in the future, a U.S.-based think tank has said. The other decree formally re-establishes the Leningrad Military District and the Moscow Military District, with the Leningrad Military District taking over most of the territory previously under the Russia's Northern Fleet and the Moscow Military District taking over most of the territory previously under the Western Military District, the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) said in its latest analysis of the conflict in Ukraine on Monday. Russian military analyst Yuri Fedorov previously told Russian investigative site Agentstvo that the recreation of the Leningrad Military District suggests that Russia is gearing up for possible conflicts with the Baltic States and NATO.

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Russians are fleeing to South Korea to escape the war with Ukraine

Thousands of Russian nationals are applying for asylum in South Korea, with some applicants stranded at airports for months.

www.businessinsider.com

2.25.24
South Korea is experiencing a dramatic surge in asylum seekers from Russia, per a recent government report cited in the Korea Herald. In 2023, over 5,000 Russian nationals submitted refugee applications, a five-fold increase from the previous year's total of 1,038. This surge nearly matches the total number of Russian asylum seekers recorded over 26 years, from 1994 to 2019. Up to one million Russians had left the country, an Economist report stated in August 2023. Despite the surge in asylum applications, South Korea's approval rate for refugee status remains low despite the rise in applications. Out of 5,950 cases evaluated last year, only 1.7% (101 applicants) were granted refugee status.

 

[Quag]

Lol Tillis doesn’t even attempt to rebut Tuckers arguments because he can’t, Moscow is in fact a much nicer city then any major city in America

No reasonable person takes Tucker seriously

 

[NWRatCon]

Lol Tillis doesn’t even attempt to rebut Tuckers arguments because he can’t, Moscow is in fact a much nicer city then any major city in America

When are you moving? Do you need help packing? I'm sure you'll get lots of volunteers.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

When are you moving? Do you need help packing? I'm sure you'll get lots of volunteers.

None of this is refuting anything Tucker said

 

[NewfieMom]

Know your enemy.

I read this and I am not sure who the enemy is. It sounds as if the article (with discussion over whether the word "blacklash" was used instead of "backlash" for some political purpose) states both Russians and Ukrainians were acting racist in Sri Lanka. That was demoralizing.

 

[Luce]

Lol Tillis doesn’t even attempt to rebut Tuckers arguments because he can’t, Moscow is in fact a much nicer city then any major city in America

So move there.

 

[NWRatCon]

So move there.

<Starting a "go fund me" to buy the ticket... > "Passport up to date? Visa shouldn't be a problem, you've already proved your loyalty."

 

[W_Heisenberg]

None of this is refuting anything Tucker said

The main point Tucker made was that food is cheaper in Russia.

But what Tucker didn't tell his audience is that over 60% of Russians spend half of their salary on food, and have an average wage of $791 per month.

Tucker Carlson mocked over fawning praise for Russian shopping trolleys

Ex-Fox News host’s trip to praise increasingly authoritarian and militaristic country comes as strongman leader Vladimir Putin is blamed for prison death of opposition leader Aleksey Navalny

www.the-independent.com

 

[JANFU]

None of this is refuting anything Tucker said

Have you ever been in Moscow?

 

[JANFU]

Macron is just plain stupid

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Lol Tillis doesn’t even attempt to rebut Tuckers arguments because he can’t, Moscow is in fact a much nicer city then any major city in America

It's reasonable to suggest Moscow is a world-class city, and one of the top cities in the world. To suggest it is much "nicer" than any major city is very subjective though. Also, there is more to Russia than Moscow. If you look past Moscow and the few other major cities in Russia you will find abysmal living circumstances. For example, 20% of Russians still do not have indoor plumbing. That's a problem. And, as noted above, the average wage of Russians is about $791 per month and 60% of Russians spend over half their salary on food. Russia is also ranked 52nd in the world in terms of Per Capita GDP.

One of our great senators, Senator John McCain, once described Russia as a gas station masquerading as a country. But I think it's more accurate to describe Russia as a shithole masquerading as a gas station masquerading as a country.

 

[JANFU]

More Russians keep falling from the skies

 

[JANFU]

It's reasonable to suggest Moscow is a world-class city, and one of the top cities in the world. To suggest it is much "nicer" than any major city is very subjective though. Also, there is more to Russia than Moscow. If you look past Moscow and the few other major cities in Russia you will find abysmal living circumstances. For example, 20% of Russians still do not have indoor plumbing. That's a problem. And, as noted above, the average wage of Russians is about $791 per month and 60% of Russians spend over half their salary on food. Russia is also ranked 52nd in the world in terms of Per Capita GDP.

One of our great senators, Senator John McCain, once described Russia as a gas station masquerading as a country. But I think it's more accurate to describe Russia as a shithole masquerading as a gas station masquerading as a country.

Travel 200 M from Moscow and see how the average Russian lives. Not well

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The main point Tucker made was that food is cheaper in Russia.

But what Tucker didn't tell his audience is that over 60% of Russians spend half of their salary on food, and have an average wage of $791 per month.

Tucker Carlson mocked over fawning praise for Russian shopping trolleys

Ex-Fox News host’s trip to praise increasingly authoritarian and militaristic country comes as strongman leader Vladimir Putin is blamed for prison death of opposition leader Aleksey Navalny

www.the-independent.com

That really doesn’t matter though. The point isn’t what Russians spend on food. The point is Americans are spending much more than they are used to because of the incompetence of the American regime.

anyone who’s been an adult four years or so remembers when a McDouble and mcchicken were 2 dollars

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Have you ever been in Moscow?

No, I wish I did visit earlier, but now I have a newborn so international travel isn’t happening for a while. Maybe I will some day though

 

[Quag]

That really doesn’t matter though. The point isn’t what Russians spend on food. The point is Americans are spending much more than they are used to because of the incompetence of the American regime.

anyone who’s been an adult four years or so remembers when a McDouble and mcchicken were 2 dollars

As has been pointed out by those not drinking MAGA Kool-Ade Russians spend a lot more of their monthly income on food than Americans

How is spending over half your monthly income on food a good thing?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

That really doesn’t matter though. The point isn’t what Russians spend on food. The point is Americans are spending much more than they are used to because of the incompetence of the American regime.

anyone who’s been an adult four years or so remembers when a McDouble and mcchicken were 2 dollars

You don't think it matters that wealthier economies tend to have a higher cost of living, but that relative to the average income the cost of food is actually lower in the U.S. and other wealthy economies?

You don't think it matters that while the cost of food is lower in Russia, over 60% of the Russian population spends half of their salary on food?

You don't think it matters that the average monthly wage in Russia is $791 dollar while the average monthly wage in the U.S. is well over $6,000?

Also, are you aware of how terrible Russia's inflation rate is compared to the U.S.? It was over 7% last November.

Russia inflation monthly 2024| Statista

In December 2024, consumer prices in Russia were almost 10 percent higher than one year prior. The inflation rate increased over the past month.

www.statista.com

Do you know what the inflation rate in October was for the U.S.?

It was closer to 3%

Monthly inflation rate U.S. 2025| Statista

In January 2025, prices had increased by three percent compared to January 2024 according to the 12-month percentage change in the consumer price index — the monthly inflation rate for goods and services in the United States.

www.statista.com

What both you and Tucker are communicating is simply not true, especially as it relates to Russia.

It's not true.

It's a lie.

And did you know the U.S. economy is currently outperforming most other advanced economies in the world? Did you know that?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/26/economy/us-gdp-other-countries/index.html

So what you and Tucker are saying is not true as it relates to Russia and it's not true as it relates to world!

And the only conclusion that informed people can arrive at, if they listen to Tucker Carlson, is that he is either a useful idiot or he is a liar.

Which do you think he is?

I get that people like Tucker Carlson want a more "conservative" America, I don't understand the profound ignorance or the disgusting lies, take your pick. It's one or the other. I don't understand it. It makes no sense to me.