[W:#23,579]Ukraine War Thread

[Roadvirus]

Putin signs decree to increase size of Russian armed forces​

President orders Russian military to increase its number of soldiers by 137,000 to a total of 1.15 million.

Putin boosts Russian forces by 10 percent amid Ukraine war

President orders Russian military to increase its number of soldiers to a total of 1.15 million.

www.aljazeera.com

Putzin: "More fodder! We need more fodder!!!"

He must have a major stake in the Russian coffin industry.

 

[Roadvirus]

In one sortie, Russian warplanes launched precision munitions at a Ukrainian airfield near the city of Mirgorod in the central Poltava Region, military spokesman Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov said during a daily briefing. Two warplanes, a Su-27 and a Su-24, were destroyed while two other Su-27s and a Su-24 were critically damaged in the raid, he said.

The Ukrainian military reported Russian strikes on “military infrastructure” in the city on Wednesday morning, but did not disclose the damage they caused. According to the Russian side, up to 30 “nationalists” were killed.

The second reported precision strike strike hit Dnepr military air base in Dnepropetrovsk Region, destroying three unspecified military aircraft, according to Konashenkov. As of Thursday, the ministry claims to have destroyed a total of 273 Ukrainian military planes since launching the operation in February.

The Russian official also confirmed a strike on a train station in the Ukrainian town of Chaplino, but disputed Kiev’s claims about the nature of the target. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky stated on Wednesday evening that the attack had killed 22 civilians, including an 11-year-old child. His office updated the death toll on Thursday to 25.

Konashenkov said that an Iskander missile hit a train carrying Ukrainian troops and weapons eastward. He claimed that the strike killed more than 200 Ukrainian soldiers and destroyed 10 military vehicles.

Russia reports destruction of eight Ukrainian warplanes

Russian forces have destroyed eight Ukrainian military planes in strikes on two airfields, according to the Defense Ministry in Moscow

www.rt.com

Russia reports...

Russia's "reports" and what comes out of my ass look remarkably similar.

 

[Minerva]

Zelensky is hopeless.even Russia has said what it wants for peace, and it isn't "victory" over all of Ukraine.

What is your understanding of the terms Putin demands for peace, and do you believe they are reasonable?

 

[Schrott]

And furthermore right along with the slow walking to prevent escalation I still maintain there are more weapons being sent in than are broadcast in the media. It's really the smart thing to do if you want to help as much as possible but not escalate things.

Correct, but with some serious digging one can find some info. Ukraine has now 15 Gepards, only the first 3 were made public.

 

[Schrott]

500 million in equipment, PLUS 3 more Iris-T SLM for the Ukraine, a total of 900 million Euros

Germany to Provide Ukraine With More Than $500 Million in Aid

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has finalized a planned shipment of additional weaponry and ammunition worth more than 500 million euros ($499 million) to Ukraine, according to government officials familiar with the plans.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[basionok]

Since January 2021, the United States has invested more than $10.6 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes more than $9.9 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided more than $12.7 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

United States security assistance committed to Ukraine includes:

• Over 1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
• Over 6,500 Javelin anti-armor systems;
• Over 20,000 other anti-armor systems;
• Over 700 Switchblade Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• 126 155mm Howitzers and up to 486,000 155mm artillery rounds;
• 72,000 105mm artillery rounds;
• 126 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers;
• 22 Tactical Vehicles to recover equipment;
• 16 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition;
• Four Command Post vehicles;
• Two National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS);
• 20 Mi-17 helicopters;
• Counter-battery systems;
• Hundreds of Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles;
• 200 M113 Armored Personnel Carriers;
• Over 10,000 grenade launchers and small arms;
• Over 59,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition;
• 75,000 sets of body armor and helmets;
• Approximately 700 Phoenix Ghost Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• Laser-guided rocket systems;
• Puma Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• Unmanned Coastal Defense Vessels;
• 26 counter-artillery radars;
• Four counter-mortar radars;
• Four air surveillance radars;
• Two harpoon coastal defense systems;
• 18 coastal and riverine patrol boats;
• M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
• C-4 explosives, demolition munitions, and demolition equipment for obstacle clearing;
• Tactical secure communications systems;
• Thousands of night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, optics, and laser rangefinders;
• Commercial satellite imagery services;
• Explosive ordnance disposal protective gear;
• Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear protective equipment;
• Medical supplies to include first aid kits;
• Electronic jamming equipment;
• Field equipment and spare parts;
• Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.

Technical Difficulties

 

[Yakshi]

Since January 2021, the United States has invested more than $10.6 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes more than $9.9 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided more than $12.7 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

United States security assistance committed to Ukraine includes:

• Over 1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
• Over 6,500 Javelin anti-armor systems;
• Over 20,000 other anti-armor systems;
• Over 700 Switchblade Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• 126 155mm Howitzers and up to 486,000 155mm artillery rounds;
• 72,000 105mm artillery rounds;
• 126 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers;
• 22 Tactical Vehicles to recover equipment;
• 16 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition;
• Four Command Post vehicles;
• Two National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS);
• 20 Mi-17 helicopters;
• Counter-battery systems;
• Hundreds of Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles;
• 200 M113 Armored Personnel Carriers;
• Over 10,000 grenade launchers and small arms;
• Over 59,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition;
• 75,000 sets of body armor and helmets;
• Approximately 700 Phoenix Ghost Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• Laser-guided rocket systems;
• Puma Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• Unmanned Coastal Defense Vessels;
• 26 counter-artillery radars;
• Four counter-mortar radars;
• Four air surveillance radars;
• Two harpoon coastal defense systems;
• 18 coastal and riverine patrol boats;
• M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
• C-4 explosives, demolition munitions, and demolition equipment for obstacle clearing;
• Tactical secure communications systems;
• Thousands of night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, optics, and laser rangefinders;
• Commercial satellite imagery services;
• Explosive ordnance disposal protective gear;
• Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear protective equipment;
• Medical supplies to include first aid kits;
• Electronic jamming equipment;
• Field equipment and spare parts;
• Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.

Technical Difficulties

Are you trying to cheer us up?

 

[Felis Leo]

Putzin: "More fodder! We need more fodder!!!"

He must have a major stake in the Russian coffin industry.

Wait. I thought Russia already had 2 million soldiers actively under arms?

 

[JANFU]

 

[basionok]

In July 2022, the public debt of the United States was around 30.6 trillion U.S. dollars, around 2.17 trillion more than a year earlier, when it was around 28.43 trillion U.S. dollars.

 

[JANFU]

 

[basionok]

There are only one and a half scenarios. The first one is the achievement of all the goals of the special operation and the unequivocal recognition of its results in Kyiv. The second one is a military coup in Ukraine and the subsequent recognition of the results of the special operation.

Dmitry Medvedev recommends Western analysts not to predict the future of Ukrainian conflict

Earlier, The Guardian's Dan Sabbagh described five possible scenarios for the development of the conflict in Ukraine over the next six months

english.pravda.ru

 

[Luce]

Since January 2021, the United States has invested more than $10.6 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes more than $9.9 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided more than $12.7 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

United States security assistance committed to Ukraine includes:

• Over 1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
• Over 6,500 Javelin anti-armor systems;
• Over 20,000 other anti-armor systems;
• Over 700 Switchblade Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• 126 155mm Howitzers and up to 486,000 155mm artillery rounds;
• 72,000 105mm artillery rounds;
• 126 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers;
• 22 Tactical Vehicles to recover equipment;
• 16 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition;
• Four Command Post vehicles;
• Two National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS);
• 20 Mi-17 helicopters;
• Counter-battery systems;
• Hundreds of Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles;
• 200 M113 Armored Personnel Carriers;
• Over 10,000 grenade launchers and small arms;
• Over 59,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition;
• 75,000 sets of body armor and helmets;
• Approximately 700 Phoenix Ghost Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• Laser-guided rocket systems;
• Puma Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• Unmanned Coastal Defense Vessels;
• 26 counter-artillery radars;
• Four counter-mortar radars;
• Four air surveillance radars;
• Two harpoon coastal defense systems;
• 18 coastal and riverine patrol boats;
• M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
• C-4 explosives, demolition munitions, and demolition equipment for obstacle clearing;
• Tactical secure communications systems;
• Thousands of night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, optics, and laser rangefinders;
• Commercial satellite imagery services;
• Explosive ordnance disposal protective gear;
• Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear protective equipment;
• Medical supplies to include first aid kits;
• Electronic jamming equipment;
• Field equipment and spare parts;
• Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.

Technical Difficulties

Cheap at twice the price, if it puts a hurting on Russia.

 

[Luce]

There are only one and a half scenarios. The first one is the achievement of all the goals of the special operation and the unequivocal recognition of its results in Kyiv. The second one is a military coup in Ukraine and the subsequent recognition of the results of the special operation.

Dmitry Medvedev recommends Western analysts not to predict the future of Ukrainian conflict

Earlier, The Guardian's Dan Sabbagh described five possible scenarios for the development of the conflict in Ukraine over the next six months

english.pravda.ru

There is another scenario.

Lots more dead Russians, Russian army more or less collapses ala 1917, things become very interesting in Moscow.

 

[basionok]

The scorpion and the frog

Instead of being grateful that the Soviet Union allowed German reunification (it didn't have to), they stung the Slavs the first chance they got in the first international action of the newly-unified Germany by destroying Yugoslavia.

This historical animosity has only hurt the European continent and, at this point, may provoke WWIII which all humanity will lose. From a physics perspective, it only makes logical sense to trade with and make peace with one's nearest (and next nearest) neighbors. On top of that, Russia has more natural resources than any nation on Earth. Industrialization is wonderful for making tanks, guns, bombs, poisons, vehicles, etc. but if you don't have natural resources to make them (e.g. iron, precious metals, lumber, food, coal, natural gas), the industrial machine dies very quickly as Hitler learned. This may happen again to Germany very soon as energy costs skyrocket and suppliers dwindle due to the sanctions against Russia.

On top of this, the US has basically forced Germany to kill certification of the completed Nord Stream 2 pipeline which is akin to national suicide as Germany struggles to replace losses from Nord Stream 1 pipeline undergoing piecemeal maintenance.

Faraway and isolated US will only benefit from these sanctions but many European countries are being decimated economically. What is amazing to me is that despite the arrogant attitudes espoused by US bureaucrats (remember Victoria "Fxxx the EU!” Nuland) and even scandals where German leaders were spied on their phone calls by the US National Security Agency, Germany still acts as a lapdog to the US obeying every command. Why?

Historically, many nations that were former enemies have had rapprochement and normalized relations. This happened to France and Russia decades after Napoleon's catastrophic defeat. It happened between the North and South of the US. Even Britain and the US ultimately put aside their differences — so much so that they were allies in WWI and WWII. However, for complex reasons, this has never happened between Germany and Russia after WWII.

The famous story of the scorpion and the frog is extremely relevant here. The scorpion wants to cross the river but is unable to do so without the frog's help as it can't swim. Despite the frog's reticence in carrying the scorpion across, promises made mean nothing (think, e. g. promises that NATO would "never expand into former Soviet sphere of influence) as the frog is stung by the scorpion and the pair jointly drown.

German leaders must understand that by working with Russia, both nations (the largest in Europe) will greatly benefit. Not only that, but as Russia is the largest nation on Earth it has the most natural resources. Highly industrialized Germany could greatly help Russia develop a plan to help stabilize climate change by absorbing CO2 and reducing methane boil off from Siberian permafrost. This could help all humanity.

The essence of Christianity is forgiveness and love. Those who will reside with the Holy Spirit will ultimately have to forgive and let go of the past so we can all live harmoniously.

It is my hope that the Germans and Russians can reconcile with one another to foment trust and move the European continent forward as a unified entity instead the fake and failed European "Union.”

Europeans were mostly Orthodox Christians at one point in their shared histories. The globalists they seek to destroy Orthodox Christianity and the true and transcendent means of ultimate freedom (given to us all from God) which they despise.

• They have no allegiance to any nation and certainly not to God.
• They think that the world is theirs instead of a gift to all humanity.

Thus, in their faulty and maniacal vision, all nations on Earth are to be stripped of their sovereign rights and governed by an unelected and tiny "elite” who enslave all humanity in the "great reset.” To achieve this, nationalism (read: patriotism) is forbidden and made out to be a bad word.

German leaders who love their country must surely understand what is really going on globally and want to put a stop to it. The fact is that there is no way that the globalists can achieve their enslaving goals if Germany and Russia unite against this as strategic partners instead of fight as foolish adversaries.

Will Germany and Russia ever reconcile to aid Europe and vanquish the 'great reset?'

Highly industrialized Germany could greatly help Russia develop a plan to help stabilize climate change by absorbing CO2 and reducing methane boil off from Siberian

english.pravda.ru

 

[Yakshi]

The scorpion and the frog

Instead of being grateful that the Soviet Union allowed German reunification (it didn't have to), they stung the Slavs the first chance they got in the first international action of the newly-unified Germany by destroying Yugoslavia.

This historical animosity has only hurt the European continent and, at this point, may provoke WWIII which all humanity will lose. From a physics perspective, it only makes logical sense to trade with and make peace with one's nearest (and next nearest) neighbors. On top of that, Russia has more natural resources than any nation on Earth. Industrialization is wonderful for making tanks, guns, bombs, poisons, vehicles, etc. but if you don't have natural resources to make them (e.g. iron, precious metals, lumber, food, coal, natural gas), the industrial machine dies very quickly as Hitler learned. This may happen again to Germany very soon as energy costs skyrocket and suppliers dwindle due to the sanctions against Russia.


Faraway and isolated US will only benefit from these sanctions but many European countries are being decimated economically. What is amazing to me is that despite the arrogant attitudes espoused by US bureaucrats (remember Victoria "Fxxx the EU!” Nuland) and even scandals where German leaders were spied on their phone calls by the US National Security Agency, Germany still acts as a lapdog to the US obeying every command. Why?

Historically, many nations that were former enemies have had rapprochement and normalized relations. This happened to France and Russia decades after Napoleon's catastrophic defeat. It happened between the North and South of the US. Even Britain and the US ultimately put aside their differences — so much so that they were allies in WWI and WWII. However, for complex reasons, this has never happened between Germany and Russia after WWII.


German leaders must understand that by working with Russia, both nations (the largest in Europe) will greatly benefit. Not only that, but as Russia is the largest nation on Earth it has the most natural resources. Highly industrialized Germany could greatly help Russia develop a plan to help stabilize climate change by absorbing CO2 and reducing methane boil off from Siberian permafrost. This could help all humanity.

The essence of Christianity is forgiveness and love. Those who will reside with the Holy Spirit will ultimately have to forgive and let go of the past so we can all live harmoniously.


Europeans were mostly Orthodox Christians at one point in their shared histories. The globalists they seek to destroy Orthodox Christianity and the true and transcendent means of ultimate freedom (given to us all from God) which they despise.

• They have no allegiance to any nation and certainly not to God.
• They think that the world is theirs instead of a gift to all humanity.

Thus, in their faulty and maniacal vision, all nations on Earth are to be stripped of their sovereign rights and governed by an unelected and tiny "elite” who enslave all humanity in the "great reset.” To achieve this, nationalism (read: patriotism) is forbidden and made out to be a bad word.

German leaders who love their country must surely understand what is really going on globally and want to put a stop to it. The fact is that there is no way that the globalists can achieve their enslaving goals if Germany and Russia unite against this as strategic partners instead of fight as foolish adversaries.

Will Germany and Russia ever reconcile to aid Europe and vanquish the 'great reset?'

Highly industrialized Germany could greatly help Russia develop a plan to help stabilize climate change by absorbing CO2 and reducing methane boil off from Siberian

english.pravda.ru

I am happy that you have no idea how utterly screwed russia is.

 

[JANFU]

Good read

Microsoft Looks to the Middle East for its Latest Investment in AI | Globe Echo

Microsoft is investing $1.5 billion in Abu Dhabi’s G42, an AI group that has faced scrutiny over its connections to China. The collaboration between the two

globeecho.com

“They have finally shown that handing over weapons makes sense and makes a big difference on the battlefield,” Chakarova said.
This ability to launch deeper strikes means that Ukraine is walking a fine line between undermining Russia’s sense of security on the peninsula without inflicting casualties that can be used to build support for a broader military mobilization through Russia’s heartland.
Analysts so far feel that this line has not been crossed, but the attacks have managed to expose the carefully managed flow of information that Russian citizens are getting about the war. Following the explosions earlier in the month when an arms depot exploded near tourists, Russians began to leave Crimea in droves, causing miles of traffic lines across the Kerch Bridge to enter mainland Russia.
“They’ve spent decades working to control the information the Russians receive, but you can’t hide a cloud from an explosion,” Spencer said.

 

[JANFU]

I am sure it is good kit. Attrition/suppression of Russian air assets is critical for reducing Russian soldiers confidence, well they already have lost that, morale will only get worse as UAF grinds down Russians and no air support
Will the majority of the Black Sea Fleet relocate to another home port?

 

[Hamish Howl]

I speak from ten years in China, until last November.

I'll give you an autographed copy of my book.

When it comes out of course. Although a book is coherent so you'll probably have a lot of trouble with it.

 

[anatta]

What is your understanding of the terms Putin demands for peace, and do you believe they are reasonable?

great question but lots of unknowns.. this (below) from a day ago by Russia's UN Ambassador Gennady Gatilov

Russia rules out peace deal to end Ukraine war

Ambassador Gennady Gatilov warns Moscow expects a prolonged conflict

www.ft.com

Gennady Gatilov, Russia’s permanent representative to the UN in Geneva, told the Financial Times that the UN should be playing a bigger role in attempts to end the conflict and accused the US and other Nato countries of pressing Ukraine to walk away from negotiations. There would be no direct talks between Putin and Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, he said. “Now, I do not see any possibility for diplomatic contacts,” Gatilov said. “And the more the conflict goes on, the more difficult it will be to have a diplomatic solution.”
~~
Erdogan is quoted in that article as well. My feeling is Ukraine has been getting everything it wants and more -which has escalated the war.
Putin just said he's going to add 137k forces this year yet..

It's not really demands by either side yet, though Russia has demanded an end of weapons escalation
Z. has been listening to his own press adoration, but he's getting everything and more and probably has worked himself into a mental state where he believes he can throw out Russians

Bottom line there has to be some diplomatic contacts thru the UN or a 3rd party to establish the fact there even ARE talks available before anything can be seriously considered

 

[EnigmaO01]

Since January 2021, the United States has invested more than $10.6 billion in security assistance to demonstrate our enduring and steadfast commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. This includes more than $9.9 billion since Russia’s launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal war against Ukraine on February 24. Since 2014, the United States has provided more than $12.7 billion in security assistance for training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO.

United States security assistance committed to Ukraine includes:

• Over 1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
• Over 6,500 Javelin anti-armor systems;
• Over 20,000 other anti-armor systems;
• Over 700 Switchblade Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• 126 155mm Howitzers and up to 486,000 155mm artillery rounds;
• 72,000 105mm artillery rounds;
• 126 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers;
• 22 Tactical Vehicles to recover equipment;
• 16 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition;
• Four Command Post vehicles;
• Two National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS);
• 20 Mi-17 helicopters;
• Counter-battery systems;
• Hundreds of Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles;
• 200 M113 Armored Personnel Carriers;
• Over 10,000 grenade launchers and small arms;
• Over 59,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition;
• 75,000 sets of body armor and helmets;
• Approximately 700 Phoenix Ghost Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• Laser-guided rocket systems;
• Puma Unmanned Aerial Systems;
• Unmanned Coastal Defense Vessels;
• 26 counter-artillery radars;
• Four counter-mortar radars;
• Four air surveillance radars;
• Two harpoon coastal defense systems;
• 18 coastal and riverine patrol boats;
• M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
• C-4 explosives, demolition munitions, and demolition equipment for obstacle clearing;
• Tactical secure communications systems;
• Thousands of night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, optics, and laser rangefinders;
• Commercial satellite imagery services;
• Explosive ordnance disposal protective gear;
• Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear protective equipment;
• Medical supplies to include first aid kits;
• Electronic jamming equipment;
• Field equipment and spare parts;
• Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.

Technical Difficulties

And that is what we know about.

 

[EnigmaO01]

It would really suck to be a Russian helicopter pilot now with their slow speed vs. high speed missiles.

 

[EnigmaO01]

In July 2022, the public debt of the United States was around 30.6 trillion U.S. dollars, around 2.17 trillion more than a year earlier, when it was around 28.43 trillion U.S. dollars.

Are you lost? The thread you want is two doors down on the left.

 

[EnigmaO01]

I am sure it is good kit. Attrition/suppression of Russian air assets is critical for reducing Russian soldiers confidence, well they already have lost that, morale will only get worse as UAF grinds down Russians and no air support
Will the majority of the Black Sea Fleet relocate to another home port?

Damn that thing is wicked!

 

[maxparrish]

There are only one and a half scenarios. The first one is the achievement of all the goals of the special operation and the unequivocal recognition of its results in Kyiv. The second one is a military coup in Ukraine and the subsequent recognition of the results of the special operation.

Dmitry Medvedev recommends Western analysts not to predict the future of Ukrainian conflict

Earlier, The Guardian's Dan Sabbagh described five possible scenarios for the development of the conflict in Ukraine over the next six months

english.pravda.ru

Such as the 3-day and its over...
Such as the 4 week and ts over...
Such as "oh wait, the Russians never intended to take Kivi, Sumy, Kharkiv"

Ya, I love it when folks change goal posts to fit a morphing scenario.