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[W:2270] Does a Gun Make Your Home Safer?

If you want to make it appear as if your home is protected, play Fox News 24/7. Potential buglers will think someone in the house is armed and avoid it.

Some may scoff at such advice, but a friend of mine only watches MSNBC and he has been robbed three times. ;)
 
zsu2357 said:
A little late on the uptake but I was reviewing and saw this. In your expert response to post 3029 (LOL) it's very obvious you don't know straight up about the capabilities of a firearm.
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Really, do go on and bestow your perceived expertise.

zsu2357 said:
In your response do you realize that is a 5.56 (.223) though possible .308x51 but the magazine looks very much the size of a 5.56
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I served in the British army and was first issued the SLR (FN FAL) in NATO 7.62x51mm
My last personal weapon was the L85 (SA-80A1) in 5.56mm
Now you might think the magazines for the two look similar, but for someone who knows anything about guns, they are not.

zsu2357 said:
....I don't care how big (or powerful) the scope may be, it's not happening. Now with a good spotter giving good intel on distance and cross wind and yes you can have a second one halfway to the target, headwind and or tailwinds, bullet weight, type of bullet, hell even the rotation of the earth.
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A shot with a 7.62mm round (or something similar) is a fairly easy shot at 1,000 yds with anything like a decent scope

Have you every heard of the Bisley rifle competitions ?
Competitors shoot up to 1 mile solo

But it was an example to demonstrate that although you may be safe defending your home at that range, doing so with a rifle is anything but.

zsu2357 said:
What jury?
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The one you'd face if you "defended" your home at 1,000 yd range, with rifle.
 
Rich2018 said:
Really, do go on and bestow your perceived expertise.



I served in the British army and was first issued the SLR (FN FAL) in NATO 7.62x51mm
My last personal weapon was the L85 (SA-80A1) in 5.56mm
Now you might think the magazines for the two look similar, but for someone who knows anything about guns, they are not.



A shot with a 7.62mm round (or something similar) is a fairly easy shot at 1,000 yds with anything like a decent scope

Have you every heard of the Bisley rifle competitions ?
Competitors shoot up to 1 mile solo

But it was an example to demonstrate that although you may be safe defending your home at that range, doing so with a rifle is anything but.



The one you'd face if you "defended" your home at 1,000 yd range, with rifle.
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1000 yards is a fairly easy shot? Okie dokie
 
zsu2357 said:
The biggest thing you guys piss about are guns. Do we deny you can have them? No we don't, but you do us.
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Comprehension fail

I was alluding to the fact that some countries grant some rights to their people that the USA denies theirs.

zsu2357 said:
And your big sticking point is again guns. You are intent on making laws to limit law abiding people from owning firearms but not the criminal element that would use those very same arms against us. I say us because you and yours don't seem to care.
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No, I would want to significantly reduce the numbers of legally (as of now that is) and illegally held guns
It's your false assertion that a gun ban won't affect criminals, because it will.

zsu2357 said:
In other words disarm everyone everyone (excluding the criminal element).
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No
I would ban all guns, but then exempt certain ones - purely for the law abiding to own.

zsu2357 said:
We react to you guys trying to make us look like the bad guys. Yeah events when they happen like Sandy Hook
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No-one is saying that you're the "bad guys"
Merely that you cannot continue with current gun ownership levels
Because we can't arm you and not arm the criminal/psychopaths
Virtually all illegal guns were legal at one point.
 
Rich2018 said:
Comprehension fail

I was alluding to the fact that some countries grant some rights to their people that the USA denies theirs.



No, I would want to significantly reduce the numbers of legally (as of now that is) and illegally held guns
It's your false assertion that a gun ban won't affect criminals, because it will.



No
I would ban all guns, but then exempt certain ones - purely for the law abiding to own.



No-one is saying that you're the "bad guys"
Merely that you cannot continue with current gun ownership levels
Because we can't arm you and not arm the criminal/psychopaths
Virtually all illegal guns were legal at one point.
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what are those RIGHTS?
 
Rich2018 said:
With a suitable gun, and a scope, yes.
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maybe a 105mm gun on an M1 Abrams. Even with a Barrett 50, it's not an easy shot. You have wind to deal with, mirage etc. Longest shot I ever made was around 500M on a Grant's Gazelle in Kenya, 76. Browning 30-06, 180G SP Winchester round. 3-10 Redfield Scope at 10X. I had to hold 6 or so feet high and aim about a yard to one side based on wind. And this was shooting across the hood of a land rover where I had a really steady hold
 
Rich2018 said:
A shot with a 7.62mm round (or something similar) is a fairly easy shot at 1,000 yds with anything like a decent scope
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To be frank, your basic .308 or 7.62 NATO rifle loaded with 168gr Tipped Sierra Match Kings is going to go transonic prior to getting to 100d yards, which is why the .308 is a substandard caliber for 1000 precision shooting. You typically want something with a higher ballistic coefficient to remain supersonic well past 1000 yards, which is why rounds in 6.5mm and 6mm are popular for that range. It's why the .224 Valkyrie was invented.

My Burris XTR II 4x20 is barely adequate at that range, and that's a $1200 scope.
 
TurtleDude said:
maybe a 105mm gun on an M1 Abrams. Even with a Barrett 50, it's not an easy shot. You have wind to deal with, mirage etc. Longest shot I ever made was around 500M on a Grant's Gazelle in Kenya, 76. Browning 30-06, 180G SP Winchester round. 3-10 Redfield Scope at 10X. I had to hold 6 or so feet high and aim about a yard to one side based on wind. And this was shooting across the hood of a land rover where I had a really steady hold
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My 6.5 Creedmoor at my altitude is still holding 1650 fps at 1000 yards with a 24 ft drop (100 yard zero). That's up 80 1/10 mil clicks from zero.
 
Rucker61 said:
To be frank, your basic .308 or 7.62 NATO rifle loaded with 168gr Tipped Sierra Match Kings is going to go transonic prior to getting to 100d yards, which is why the .308 is a substandard caliber for 1000 precision shooting. You typically want something with a higher ballistic coefficient to remain supersonic well past 1000 yards, which is why rounds in 6.5mm and 6mm are popular for that range. It's why the .224 Valkyrie was invented.

My Burris XTR II 4x20 is barely adequate at that range, and that's a $1200 scope.
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for years, the 1000 yard championship (Carlos Hathcock won it before he started wasting VC, NVA and apparently at least one Chinese operative in Nam) with a 30-06 Winchester 70. However, the 300 magnum supplanted the 30-06 for that event-it's big draw back was it wore out barrels rather quickly. the 6mm PPC and then the 6.5 Creedmore started coming along for that. The 308 worked well for the Military service rifle event where 600 yards prone is the longest distance-however, the USAMU and then the Marines' shooting teams changed over to heavy 556 rounds (78 grains rather than the typical 55-68 grain bullets) finding that the 556 was just as accurate at 600 and wore out the shooters less
 
Rucker61 said:
My 6.5 Creedmoor at my altitude is still holding 1650 fps at 1000 yards with a 24 ft drop (100 yard zero). That's up 80 1/10 mil clicks from zero.
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jesus, rucks, you sound like stevie paddock doin' those bullet trajectory calc's from his hotel room................................
 
Glitch said:
If you want to make it appear as if your home is protected, play Fox News 24/7. Potential buglers will think someone in the house is armed and avoid it.

Some may scoff at such advice, but a friend of mine only watches MSNBC and he has been robbed three times. ;)
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I have a friend who has a silhouette that is shot full of holes in front of his house and a little sign that says "There is nothing in this house worth dying for".

I find it amusing but I am sure anyone thinking of breaking in would take notice. The intelligent ones would move on.
 
TurtleDude said:
maybe a 105mm gun on an M1 Abrams. Even with a Barrett 50, it's not an easy shot. You have wind to deal with, mirage etc. Longest shot I ever made was around 500M on a Grant's Gazelle in Kenya, 76. Browning 30-06, 180G SP Winchester round. 3-10 Redfield Scope at 10X. I had to hold 6 or so feet high and aim about a yard to one side based on wind. And this was shooting across the hood of a land rover where I had a really steady hold
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US marines regularly practice out to 600m with just iron sights and firing a 5.56mm round.

TurtleDude said:
Those aren't RIGHTs. Those are entitlements or handouts
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They are in some countries

Like you're entitled to due process, a speedy trial, trial by jury, punishment that's not cruel or unusual and legal representation, here in the USA
They're also rights.
 
Rucker61 said:
To be frank, your basic .308 or 7.62 NATO rifle loaded with 168gr Tipped Sierra Match Kings is going to go transonic prior to getting to 100d yards, which is why the .308 is a substandard caliber for 1000 precision shooting. You typically want something with a higher ballistic coefficient to remain supersonic well past 1000 yards, which is why rounds in 6.5mm and 6mm are popular for that range. It's why the .224 Valkyrie was invented.

My Burris XTR II 4x20 is barely adequate at that range, and that's a $1200 scope.
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So how do you explain the M-14's use as a sniper rifle

Or the British army L96 sniper rifle in 7.62x51mm NATO ?
www.snipercentral.com

BRITISH L96A1

Perhaps the most widely used sniper rifle in the world
www.snipercentral.com www.snipercentral.com
 
Chase Morgan said:
jesus, rucks, you sound like stevie paddock doin' those bullet trajectory calc's from his hotel room................................
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What calculations? At let's say 350 yards give or take you could lob .22 LRs in. Around 22000 people packed in all you need to do is shoot in that general direction.
 
zsu2357 said:
What calculations? At let's say 350 yards give or take you could lob .22 LRs in. Around 22000 people packed in all you need to do is shoot in that general direction.
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With a target that big yes, hence his use of a bump-stock.
 
Rich2018 said:
So how do you explain the M-14's use as a sniper rifle

Or the British army L96 sniper rifle in 7.62x51mm NATO ?
www.snipercentral.com

BRITISH L96A1

Perhaps the most widely used sniper rifle in the world
www.snipercentral.com www.snipercentral.com
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That's what was available at the time. What do both of those country's militaries use now?

US:

M24 Sniper Weapon System (Remington Model 700 (7 mm Remington Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Remington Ultra Magnum, and .338 Lapua Magnum) (US Army Designated Marksmen)
M40 sniper rifle (Remington Model 700 (7 mm Remington Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Remington Ultra Magnum, and .338 Lapua Magnum) (USMC Designated Marksmen, Scout Snipers)
M2010 Enhanced Sniper Rifle (.300 Winchester Magnum) (US Army)
Mk 13 Sniper rifle (.300 Winchester Magnum) (SOCOM, USMC, MARSOC)
Mk 21 Precision Sniper Rifle (Remington Modular Sniper Rifle) (.300 Winchester Magnum .338 Lapua Magnum) (US Army, USMC Designated Marksmen, Scout Snipers)
Mk 22 Advanced Sniper Rifle (Barret MRAD) (7.62x51 NATO, .300 Norma Magnum, .338 Norma Magnum) (USSOCOM, US Army, USMC) [1]
M82A1M/A3 (.50 BMG) (US Army)
M107 (.50 BMG) (USMC Scout Snipers)

UK:

Accuracy International L115 Bolt-Action Sniper Rifle

Page details technical specifications, development, and operational history of the Accuracy International L115 Bolt-Action Sniper Rifle including pictures.
www.militaryfactory.com
 
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