[W:208] Yikes. It has begun.

[jonny5]

Come on, use your head. The AR is used more than any other weapon during mass murders. The question is, why the hell wouldn't you ban it?

Bombs are used far more often in mass murder globally. The AR is rarely used to committ mass murder, statiscally zero. Millions of ARs, maybe dozens of them have been used in mass murder in the US. You wouldnt ban it because its irrational, ineffective, and illegal.

 

[ttwtt78640]

No, the one where he said that gun rights advocates reinterpreted the 2nd amendment from it's original intent.

Stevens, J., Dissenting: The Legacy of Heller

This article focuses on the late Justice Stevens's opinions and commentary on the Second Amendment, demonstrating his approach to law and judging.

judicature.duke.edu

How does one justify that stance based on federal law (behind form 4473) as to who can legally buy guns offered for sale by FFL dealers?

 

[Moot]

what was Steven's interpretation?

See post #716

 

[jonny5]

that is the question that destroys the incrementalist banners. they claim "assault weapons" must be banned due to 1.5% of the murders being committed by criminals using such firearms. If that is what truly motivates them (LOL) then they have to admit that they want to ban handguns too

Hah, yes, that was rhetorical. They would ban all firearms because if they somehow managed to ban 'assault rifles', people would just use something else. In Columbine they used handguns and shotguns.

 

[Chillfolks]

Come on, use your head. The AR is used more than any other weapon during mass murders. The question is, why the hell wouldn't you ban it?

How did you come to that conclusion. Everything I have seen point to handguns being the most common type of gun used in mass shootings

 

[Moot]

How does one justify that stance based on federal law (behind form 4473) as to who can legally buy guns offered for sale by FFL dealers?

I have no idea....so why don't you tell me?

 

[dave8383]

Bombs are used far more often in mass murder globally. The AR is rarely used to committ mass murder, statiscally zero. Millions of ARs, maybe dozens of them have been used in mass murder in the US. You wouldnt ban it because its irrational, ineffective, and illegal.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[ttwtt78640]

what was Steven's interpretation?

Basically that “the people” mentioned in the 2A are limited to militia members (based on the militia clause), but that “arms” mentioned in the 2A exclude “military style” guns. That should be a clue as to how ridiculous his opinion actually was.

 

[TurtleDude]

See post #716

weak-I want to see if you can do more than cut and paste an article. I want you to explain what it means-I don't think you can

 

[ttwtt78640]

I have no idea....so why don't you tell me?

Form 4473 contains no questions about one’s militia status. See post #733.

 

[TurtleDude]

Form 4473 contains no questions about one’s militia status. See post #733.

a legal scholar-his name I have forgotten, noted that the Lautenberg Amendment pretty much killed the collective rights nonsense

 

[dave8383]

so how do you ban it without banning all the other guns that function just like it. and you are lying, it is not used more than other weapons in mass shootings. Handguns still have that title

Oh I think we can figure out a way. You probably couldn't but the rest of us could.

 

[TurtleDude]

Oh I think we can figure out a way. You probably couldn't but the rest of us could.

well go ahead/

 

[Jetboogieman]

IMO this action will make criminals out tens (perhaps hundreds) of millions of previously law-abiding citizens. If I ever decide to arm myself...well I have already posted my intentions elsewhere.

You're all talk.

 

[dave8383]

well go ahead/

Now you're smartening up.

 

[TurtleDude]

You're all talk.

what is the relevance of this comment? on a board like this-it is all "talk"

 

[Court Jester]

Hope you can get these guys ^^^ to sign on. The bunch that stormed the capital were little league.

The two groups, and the two mentalities are not the same.

 

[Court Jester]

yeah, go confront a potentially armed violent intruder with a two shot shotgun and empty it into the air before seeing a threat

But.... but.... but ..... it works on TV TurtleDude. I've seen it on Hawaii 5-0 and on Mannix. If it works in the movies, it must work in real life too?

 

[Moot]

Basically that “the people” mentioned in the 2A are limited to militia members (based on the militia clause), but that “arms” mentioned in the 2A exclude “military style” guns. That should be a clue as to how ridiculous his opinion actually was.

The militias were "the people" because the new country didn't have a standing army when the 2A was written. The State depended on the people's militias for security and that's why they needed be armed and well regulated. But we have a civilian standing army now called the National Guard....so militias, especially unregulated militias are unnecessary which made the 2nd amendment obsolete and was seldom been litigated for over 200 years. That was until about 30 years ago, when gun advocates decided to reinterpret the 2nd amendment to fit their fascist agenda.

 

[Moot]

weak-I want to see if you can do more than cut and paste an article. I want you to explain what it means-I don't think you can

Frankly my dear...I don't think you can, either.

 

[craig]

White House announcement:

This Administration will not wait for the next mass shooting to heed that call. We will take action to end our epidemic of gun violence and make our schools and communities safer. Today, I am calling on Congress to enact commonsense gun law reforms, including requiring background checks on all gun sales, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and eliminating immunity for gun manufacturers who knowingly put weapons of war on our streets. We owe it to all those we’ve lost and to all those left behind to grieve to make a change. The time to act is now.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...GIChw8TvUuBWclIyKcNLgkFDY2Qe1gQuNhMNfUpqiq0cw

Is Beto still on track to be the Gun Grabber Czar?

Gun rights and abortion rights are red meat issues that both parties use to put boundaries around their bases because neither are amenable to comprises. The rhetoric used for both is very similar. Let's combine them to compromise. A single bill that contains "universal background checks", "15 round mag limit", and "no abortion after second trimester".

 

[jaeger19]

The militias were "the people" because the new country didn't have a standing army when the 2A was written. The State depended on the people's militias for security and that's why they needed be armed and well regulated. But we have a civilian standing army now called the National Guard....so militias, especially unregulated militias are unnecessary which made the 2nd amendment obsolete and was seldom been litigated for over 200 years. That was until about 30 years ago, when gun advocates decided to reinterpret the 2nd amendment to fit their fascist agenda.

Why wasn't there a " standing army"..
Why didn't the founders set up a strong standing army for security?

 

[Luce]

Come on, use your head. The AR is used more than any other weapon during mass murders.

Citation required.

 

[craig]

Come on, use your head. The AR is used more than any other weapon during mass murders. The question is, why the hell wouldn't you ban it?

Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 143 different handguns being used in 95 incidents between 1982 and February 2020. These figures are calculated from a total of 118 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in over 80 percent of mass shootings.

Guns used in mass shootings U.S. 2024| Statista

Handguns are the most common weapons used in mass shootings in the United States. Other types of guns used in mass shootings include rifles and shotguns.

www.statista.com

 

[ttwtt78640]

The militias were "the people" because the new country didn't have a standing army when the 2A was written. The State depended on the people's militias for security and that's why they needed be armed and well regulated. But we have a civilian standing army now called the National Guard....so militias, especially unregulated militias are unnecessary which made the 2nd amendment obsolete and was seldom been litigated for over 200 years. That was until about 30 years ago, when gun advocates decided to reinterpret the 2nd amendment to fit their fascist agenda.

If you feel that the 2A is obsolete then simply get the necessary support for its repeal. Pretending that the constitution amends itself based on your assertion that the 2A became outdated by the formation of a standing army is ridiculous. Private ownership of guns is not fascist, yet removing that right is often a precursor to fascism.