[W:2047] President-Elect Joe Biden Hits 80 Million Votes In Year Of Record Turnout

[Jay Falcon]

Look, I am not going to go through this with you as nothing is going to change your mind.

Translation: I have nothing.

 

[Conservative]

I'm not seeing any report that the PA issue has gone to the Supreme Court. It did go to the PA Supreme Court, where it was dismissed. But the SCOTUS? I don't think so.

Right, not yet but the following is what I based my statement on. You do know that this is how our judicial system works, right? There has to be national standards for a NATIONAL election and absentee ballot precedence has to be followed meaning matching signatures.

Appeals court rejects Trump challenge of Pennsylvania race (apnews.com) .

Trump’s lawyers vowed to appeal to the Supreme Court despite the judges’ assessment that the “campaign’s claims have no merit.”

 

[rahl]

The Pa issue HAS GONE TO THE SUPREME COURT!!

no it hasn't, lol.

You want to make this personal and continue with the personal attacks, take it someplace else as I have already proven you to be a partisan liberal where results don't matter

you need to read the constitution, and take a basic 6th grade civics course. After that, then you can come back here and attempt to debate intelligently.

 

[GolfingChef]

There has to be national standards for a NATIONAL election and absentee ballot precedence has to be followed meaning matching signatures.

WHY????

Why was it ok for this not to be the case in 2016 when you boy won?

Why was it ok for this not to be the case for the last 240 plus years....

and last but not least, why do you want to ignore the Constitution?

 

[Conservative]

Not as unhealthy as your hatred of liberals. It oozes through your posts.

Unlike you this isn't personal, I don't hate liberals, I hate liberal policies that redistribute wealth from the rich to the bureaucrats who keep people in need dependent. It should be a hand up not a handout. You have spent 4 years trying to destroy Trump based upon non Presidential issues or policies but replaying the 2016 election campaign. I voted for Trump to get the results we got and voted for him again because of those results. You still focus on personality and cannot offer a valid reason to vote for Biden

IF you support the following then that would be a reason, anything here you don't support?

Abortion

Politics of personal destruction, class envy, jealousy of what others have

Green energy

Someone else paying for your healthcare and other personal responsibility issues

Defunding police

BLM a racist organization

U.S as the world's policemen

China stealing intellectual properties and manipulating currency

Allies not paying their fair share or financial obligations to NATO

The President having power over the states and local communities violating the 10th Amendment

Higher taxes and a more massive central gov't

Open borders

Sanctuary cities

Legalized drug use

Emptying our prisons

State and local taxes deducted fully from your federal return

Public sector vs private sector

Kamala Harris a heartbeat from the Presidency

Dependence, destruction of civil liberties

 

[rahl]

Right, not yet but the following is what I based my statement on. You do know that this is how our judicial system works, right?

You do know the SCOTUS only takes cases that have need of a federal question of law to be answered. PA election law is not a federal issue, and SCOTUS will not hear the case.

There has to be national standards for a NATIONAL election and absentee ballot precedence has to be followed meaning matching signatures.

Appeals court rejects Trump challenge of Pennsylvania race (apnews.com) .

multiple times a day you demonstrate your complete and total ignorance of basic civics, and constitutional law. There is not, nor has there ever been "national standards" for any election since the inception of the US. STATES decide their election laws. You've been schooled on this enough, so your ignorance is intentional at this point.

 

[Conservative]

You do know the SCOTUS only takes cases that have need of a federal question of law to be answered. PA election law is not a federal issue, and SCOTUS will not hear the case.

multiple times a day you demonstrate your complete and total ignorance of basic civics, and constitutional law. There is not, nor has there ever been "national standards" for any election since the inception of the US. STATES decide their election laws. You've been schooled on this enough, so your ignorance is intentional at this point.

So since you believe I don't know civics what exactly supports that claim? Do you know when Absentee ballots were created and what federal law defined them? You are part of the party that talks about disenfranchising voters so what do you think states that sent official ballots to all registered voters did to those states that didn't? What do you think not adhering to absentee ballot requirements did to states that did adhere to those polices. It is timely for a national policy for national elections regardless of the outcome. Obviously the outcome was to your liking even though you cannot explain your support for Biden. Here is why I voted for Trump as I am against these issues

Abortion

Politics of personal destruction, class envy, jealousy of what others have

Green energy

Someone else paying for your healthcare and other personal responsibility issues

Defunding police

BLM a racist organization

U.S as the world's policemen

China stealing intellectual properties and manipulating currency

Allies not paying their fair share or financial obligations to NATO

The President having power over the states and local communities violating the 10th Amendment

Higher taxes and a more massive central gov't

Open borders

Sanctuary cities

Legalized drug use

Emptying our prisons

State and local taxes deducted fully from your federal return

Public sector vs private sector

Kamala Harris a heartbeat from the Presidency

Dependence, destruction of civil liberties

 

[Cardinal]

Very simple I don't believe over 63 million Americans couldn't get to the polls to vote during early voting, on election day, or had a valid excuse for an absentee ballot

In other words, what you believe is more important than the evidence (or lack thereof). If that's the case, then don't mislead us by claiming that the SC has the final say.

Yes, I voted FOR Trump because of results, not personal opinions about his personality

Non sequitur, but okay.

this election was about 2017-2020 results so if you aren't denying those two points why did you vote for Biden

Non sequitur. You say that 74 million people voted for Trump as if that's supposed to be more important than 80 million people voting for Biden.

My point stands, 100,000 votes in 5 states gave him over 270 electoral votes and with over 63 million mail in ballots

If only five states had voted for Biden then reaching 270 electoral votes would have been an impossibility. Here's a link to the elections results on a map showing the electoral votes. I'm sure you can do the math.

270toWin - 2028 Presidential Election Interactive Map

Create your own forecast for the 2028 presidential election

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many without valid signatures fraud occurred especially in those states. Right, it takes time to manufacture the votes needed for 270 electoral votes. The law is clear, votes received after election day aren't valid

Hysterical CT nonsense.

But as you have shown it isn't as actual results were ignored. No American can benefit from economic policies if not allowed to go back to work, the pre pandemic results benefited most Americans and the current pandemic recovery is underway.

Actually, we were quite focused on the results, and that's why we would have voted for a stale bagel over Trump. The reason for this were laid out over the course of hundreds of threads from the past four years. The reason why you're still confused why anybody would hold this position is because rather than take those threads at face value, you decided to ignore, dismiss or mock them instead.

Official election results aren't given until December 14. you really need a civics class

Oh? I thought the SC has the final say. That goal post moved awful quickly. But just as an SC decision won't settle the dispute for you, the results of December 14 won't settle the dispute for you either because you've already accepted a CT narrative that is completely unsupported by evidence, and nothing can change your mind.

None of which focused on anything that affected the American people just propaganda, lies, distortions and politics of personal destruction

Okay, so you don't and never did want to understand why people voted against Trump. If you want to remain in the dark that's your choice. In any case, you seem to be occupying a limbo existence between "Biden won only because of voter fraud" and "Biden only won because of hatred for Trump." You need to make up your mind.

Wrong the alternative needs to matter, why was Biden a better alternative than Trump

"Wrong?" Who are you to tell me what my motivation for voting for President should be? Who do you think you are?

and what is a Biden Administration going to do to make our country stronger and your life better along with who pays for it

1. He will re-strengthen our alliances which helps national security.
2. He will participate in all the PDB's, again helping national security.
3. He will tell the truth. Trump, by contrast, has lie to the country over 24,000 times.
4. He will not put children in detention centers and deport the parents as a warning to future refugees, all of which is an attack on the soul of the country.
5. He will oversee a fair and orderly distribution of the vaccine, let the scientific institutions under Executive control tell the nation the truth, all of which will allow the country to return to normal.
6. He will not have business relationships that create conflicts of interest. Therefore I can be confident that his decisions are being made in the country's interests and not his own.

 

[rahl]

So since you believe I don't know civics what exactly supports that claim?

Your complete and total ignorance of the constitution, and election law. The constitution, specifically and unambiguously, gives the states the power over their elections. There is no such thing as a "federal or national" election. They are all state elections. If you want a national standard, you need to amend the constitution.

Do you know when Absentee ballots were created and what federal law defined them?

federal law doesn't define them. state law does.

You are part of the party that talks about disenfranchising voters so what do you think states that sent official ballots to all registered voters did to those states that didn't?

this is completely irrelevant.

What do you think not adhering to absentee ballot requirements did to states that did adhere to those polices

.
also irrelevant.

It is timely for a national policy for national elections regardless of the outcome.

there is nothing wrong with that. but, you have to amend the constitution in order to do so.

Obviously the outcome was to your liking even though you cannot explain your support for Biden. Here is why I voted for Trump as I am against these issues

This is meaningless to the topic of this thread. Stop campaigning for trump. He has lost the 2020 election and will be vacating the white house on 1/21/21.

 

[Conservative]

"Cardinal, post: 1073071821, member: 5382"]
In other words, what you believe is more important than the evidence (or lack thereof). If that's the case, then don't mislead us by claiming that the SC has the final say.

You have already made the determination that there was no fraud and that Biden was more popular than Obama, your opinion and until the SC decides it is purely your opinion

Non sequitur. You say that 74 million people voted for Trump as if that's supposed to be more important than 80 million people voting for Biden.

yes the operative word is FOR not AGAINST as that never was an option for me. I vote on policies, you voted on personality

If only five states had voted for Biden then reaching 270 electoral votes would have been an impossibility. Here's a link to the elections results on a map showing the electoral votes. I'm sure you can do the math.

Have already done the math on the day AFTER election not based upon manufactured votes and votes with dates later than November 3

Hysterical CT nonsense.

Nonsense if voting based upon personality and not results. You have been bought and paid for by the leftwing totally incapable of debate policies and results

Actually, we were quite focused on the results, and that's why we would have voted for a stale bagel over Trump. The reason for this were laid out over the course of hundreds of threads from the past four years. The reason why you're still confused why anybody would hold this position is because rather than take those threads at face value, you decided to ignore, dismiss or mock them instead.

Of course you would because personality trumps the reality that we have a private sector economy that will apparently be run by a career public servant with zero private sector experience and a radical leftwing socialist in Harris. I take issues at face value and as you have pointed out results don't matter

Oh? I thought the SC has the final say. That goal post moved awful quickly. But just as an SC decision won't settle the dispute for you, the results of December 14 won't settle the dispute for you either because you've already accepted a CT narrative that is completely unsupported by evidence, and nothing can change your mind.

Again your opinion, regardless of the outcome we need national standards for a NATIONAL election, not 50 different policies that will affect the electoral college

Okay, so you don't and never did want to understand why people voted against Trump. If you want to remain in the dark that's your choice. In any case, you seem to be occupying a limbo existence between "Biden won only because of voter fraud" and "Biden only won because of hatred for Trump." You need to make up your mind.

I gave you the reasons I voted FOR Trump and like 56% of the American public on election day were better off than four years ago. Results matter to me not personality, policies matter to me more than your rhetoric. How does an American benefit from economic policies when not allowed to go back to work

 

[Conservative]

"Wrong?"

Who are you to tell me what my motivation for voting for President should be? Who do you think you are?

I am an American with an opinion just like you, the difference being my opinions are based upon logic, common sense, and understanding that the two most important issues are foreign policy and economics. We are stronger today because of Trump and forcing NATO allies to pony up their agreed upon cash, and because of pro growth economic policies putting money into the pockets of the American consumer. 900 billion dollars in GDP dollar growth per year pre pandemic, vs 500 billion per year Obama or better yet 600 billion in consumer spending vs. 300 billion per year for Obama. People solving their own problems not bureaucrats creating more dependence

1. He will re-strengthen our alliances which helps national security.
2. He will participate in all the PDB's, again helping national security.
3. He will tell the truth. Trump, by contrast, has lie to the country over 24,000 times.
4. He will not put children in detention centers and deport the parents as a warning to future refugees, all of which is an attack on the soul of the country.
5. He will oversee a fair and orderly distribution of the vaccine, let the scientific institutions under Executive control tell the nation the truth, all of which will allow the country to return to normal.
6. He will not have business relationships that create conflicts of interest. Therefore I can be confident that his decisions are being made in the country's interests and not his own.

So you claim appeasement and being the world's policeman at what cost?

24,000 lies and not one that has personally affected you or anyone else

Children in Obama's detention centers?

Orderly distribution of vaccine? when did the distribution start, you want that vaccine to go to the world or our country first?

What a bunch of liberal bullshit bought and paid for from the MSM and sold you a very willing recipient, facts don't matter

 

[Conservative]

Your complete and total ignorance of the constitution, and election law. The constitution, specifically and unambiguously, gives the states the power over their elections. There is no such thing as a "federal or national" election. They are all state elections. If you want a national standard, you need to amend the constitution.

federal law doesn't define them. state law does.
this is completely irrelevant. .
also irrelevant.
there is nothing wrong with that. but, you have to amend the constitution in order to do so.

This is meaningless to the topic of this thread. Stop campaigning for trump. He has lost the 2020 election and will be vacating the white house on 1/21/21.

And your total ignorance as to the effects of 50 different state laws in a NATIONAL ELECTION

The Supremacy clause says you are wrong. Irrelevant to you apparently is the Biden/Harris resume. You get what you reap

 

[Cardinal]

You have already made the determination that there was no fraud and that Biden was more popular than Obama, your opinion and until the SC decides it is purely your opinion

I've made the determination that there's no evidence of fraud, and so far trump's lawyers agree. And you've already negated your own position that "the SC decides."

yes the operative word is FOR not AGAINST as that never was an option for me. I vote on policies, you voted on personality

You seem to be continually confused whether you believe Biden won through fraud or whether he won because people voted against his opponent. You've gotta pick a position.

Have already done the math on the day AFTER election not based upon manufactured votes and votes with dates later than November 3

Incoherent.

Nonsense if voting based upon personality and not results. You have been bought and paid for by the leftwing totally incapable of debate policies and results

Personality factors into human decisions. I'm going to guess you can grasp that in your decision to marry your wife or select a girlfriend. If you think personality ceases to be a factor at the political level then you're going to be confused forever.

Of course you would because personality trumps the reality that we have a private sector economy that will apparently be run by a career public servant with zero private sector experience and a radical leftwing socialist in Harris. I take issues at face value and as you have pointed out results don't matter

Incoherent.

Again your opinion, regardless of the outcome we need national standards for a NATIONAL election, not 50 different policies that will affect the electoral college

Your confusion is taking over your position. You are now simultaneously arguing that

1)Biden won through election fraud (unproven, of course),
2)Biden won but only because people hated Trump.
3)Biden won but only because 50 states had 50 different election rules.

But here's the problem with all of your contradictory positions: you believe things without evidence. This means that regardless of which rules were enacted or not, it doesn't matter because if the election results are "wrong" (trump losing), you'd still believe something that isn't true.

I gave you the reasons I voted FOR Trump and like 56% of the American public on election day were better off than four years ago. Results matter to me not personality, policies matter to me more than your rhetoric. How does an American benefit from economic policies when not allowed to go back to work

Personality matters to you. Unless you're a sociopath or something.

 

[Conservative]

5. He will oversee a fair and orderly distribution of the vaccine, let the scientific institutions under Executive control tell the nation the truth, all of which will allow the country to return to normal.

Is this your idea of fair and orderly distribution of the vaccine?

Hands Off Operation Warp Speed - Betsy McCaughey (townhall.com)

Provided politics doesn't blow it up. Biden's advisers have dangerous ideas about who should get vaccinated first. That could spell trouble. Already, globalist groups like the World Health Organization and the World Trade Organization are objecting that the U.S. has purchased hundreds of millions of doses, putting Americans ahead of residents of poor countries. WHO wants every country to get a vaccine supply based on its population, sending 2% to each country, and then ramping up to 20%. That would doom the U.S. to continued suffering because herd immunity requires about a 70% vaccination rate.

 

[Conservative]

Nothing you provided is in response to what I posted therefore a waste of time

 

[Cardinal]

I am an American with an opinion just like you, the difference being my opinions are based upon logic, common sense, and understanding that the two most important issues are foreign policy and economics. We are stronger today because of Trump and forcing NATO allies to pony up their agreed upon cash, and because of pro growth economic policies putting money into the pockets of the American consumer. 900 billion dollars in GDP dollar growth per year pre pandemic, vs 500 billion per year Obama or better yet 600 billion in consumer spending vs. 300 billion per year for Obama. People solving their own problems not bureaucrats creating more dependence





So you claim appeasement and being the world's policeman at what cost?

24,000 lies and not one that has personally affected you or anyone else

Children in Obama's detention centers?

Orderly distribution of vaccine? when did the distribution start, you want that vaccine to go to the world or our country first?

What a bunch of liberal bullshit bought and paid for from the MSM and sold you a very willing recipient, facts don't matter

I already know you disagree with my reasons for voting for Biden. It wasn't my expectation that you'd agree with any of them. I only gave you those points to counter your belief that I didn't have reasons for voting for Biden.

 

[rahl]

And your total ignorance as to the effects of 50 different state laws in a NATIONAL ELECTION

we have never had a national election in the 240+ year history of this country. We have separate state elections, all governed by the individual states. You have to amend the constitution to change this.

The Supremacy clause says you are wrong. Irrelevant to you apparently is the Biden/Harris resume. You get what you reap

this is why I and dozens of others continue pointing out your complete ignorance of the constitution, US law and election law.

 

[Cardinal]

Is this your idea of fair and orderly distribution of the vaccine?

Hands Off Operation Warp Speed - Betsy McCaughey (townhall.com)

I have no idea how that's a meaningful response to my post.

 

[Conservative]

we have never had a national election in the 240+ year history of this country. We have separate state elections, all governed by the individual states. You have to amend the constitution to change this.


this is why I and dozens of others continue pointing out your complete ignorance of the constitution, US law and election law.

We never had 63 million Americans refusing to go to the polls and filing no excuse mail in ballots nor governors sending out official ballots to every registered voter in the state either but that reality doesn't resonate with you.

My complete ignorance? Why don't you address it and post support for your claims, Your claim that we shouldn't have national standards ignores the reality that we do have national standards set up in state law, signatures required on ballots along with a valid excuse. You want anyone who supports your ideology to vote regardless of whether or not registered or qualified

 

[iliveonramen]

California 5.1 million vote win for Biden, NY 1.2 million vote win for Biden, how much did Biden win the popular vote by? What exactly is Trumpism? Easy for people like you to overlook the 74 million votes Trump received, isn't it? What is it about liberalism that creates people like you?

Sure, and if we eliminate counties with little economic activity and very low education levels Biden’s victory is much more impressive.

 

[Conservative]

I have no idea how that's a meaningful response to my post.

You claimed you wanted a fair and orderly distribution of the vaccine and I countered with what the Biden Administration and supporters are claiming they want.

 

[Conservative]

Sure, and if we eliminate counties with little economic activity and very low education levels Biden’s victory is much more impressive.

LOL, and if we eliminate mail in ballots without signatures or after the deadline or without signature matching Trump wins in a landslide. You telling me that mail in ballots didn't give Biden the electoral votes?

 

[rahl]

We never had 63 million Americans refusing to go to the polls and filing no excuse mail in ballots nor governors sending out official ballots to every registered voter in the state either but that reality doesn't resonate with you.

you keep repeating this as if it's somehow relevant. It is not. It's meaningless. Those votes were completely legal, according to the states election laws. That you don't like it is meaningless.

My complete ignorance?

yes

Why don't you address it and post support for your claims,

I have. You think we have national elections. We do not. You think there should be a national standard for elections. That's fine, but you have to amend the constitution to do it.

Your claim that we shouldn't have national standards ignores the reality that we do have national standards set up in state law, signatures required on ballots along with a valid excuse.

This is a strawman. I'm sure you don't know what that word means, but it's when you make up an argument for your opponent and then attack it, instead of the argument presented. Nowhere in any post did I make any such argument as what you claimed I did here.

You want anyone who supports your ideology to vote regardless of whether or not registered or qualified

I want every eligible voter to be able to vote. There is no need for you to make shit up and attribute it to me. My posts are in crystal clear English.

 

[Conservative]

you keep repeating this as if it's somehow relevant. It is not. It's meaningless. Those votes were completely legal, according to the states election laws. That you don't like it is meaningless.

yes
I have. You think we have national elections. We do not. You think there should be a national standard for elections. That's fine, but you have to amend the constitution to do it.

How do you know the votes were legal? What is your definition of a legal absentee ballot?

I want every eligible voter to be able to vote. There is no need for you to make shit up and attribute it to me. My posts are in crystal clear English.

Great define for me an eligible voter and legal ballot cast?

 

[Juks]

Right, official mail in ballots to all registered voters in the state of California authorized by the governor without state legislature approval are illegal!!

So you are telling us that Biden who couldn't draw a crowd for a political rally is more popular than Obama and actually received 80 million legal votes? As for the popular vote one more time Biden is President of California, 5.1 million votes and NY 1.2 million vote wins for Biden, two screwed up states that are fiscal and social disasters!! What was the popular vote win again??

I keep hearing that claim of illegal votes but never any data supporting that claim, gee, wonder why??