[W:201] What Christianity Is Not About.

[calamity]

Sorry, unless you can back it up with scripture, and not a biased site, you are stating what you've heard...an opinion...

The site lists all the scripture you could ever want showing that the Book of John is Anti-Semitic.

Here's four sections of it:

1. Evidence that the author stands removed from Judaism

2:13; 11:55	"the Passover of the Jews"
5:1; 6:4; 7:2	"feast of the Jews"

2. Negative Portrayal of "the Jews"

• "The Jews" used 71 times in John (and only 16 in the Synoptics), usually by the narrator
• typically the Jews are on the side of the "world"--those who do not believe

3:1-4; 6:52; 7:35; 8:57	the Jews fail to understand Jesus
5:16-18; 7:1; 10:31, 39; 11:8, 53	the Jews persecute Jesus and seek to kill him
5:39-40; 7:19; 8:39-44; 10:31-39	the Jews are untrue to their tradition/Torah

• possible referents:
  • all Jews (but the disciples and other followers were Jews; cf.9:22)
  • the religious leaders at the time John wrote
  • the majority of Jews at the time John wrote
  • the leaders and/or the masses at the time of Jesus' ministry

3. Negative Portrayals of the Leaders

19:15	the leaders seem more faithful to Caesar than to God
9:40-41; 11:46-53	the Pharisees are blind, false teachers
4:1; 7:32; 8:13; 12:42	the Pharisees oppose Jesus
12:10; 19:6, 15, 21	the chief priests oppose Jesus

4. Jewish Responsibility for Jesus' death

18:3, 12, 19-24; 19:15-16	Jewish responsibility declared
18:31, 38-40; 19:4-8, 12-16	Pilate succumbs to the desires of the Jewish leaders
18:38; 19:4, 6, 12	Pilate declares Jesus innocent

 

[brianpatrick]

It's not about gaining popularity among the heathen.

It's not about appeasement.

It's not about compromise.

It's not about coercion.

It's not about relentless persuasion.

It's not about getting the most likes in forums, or being "buddy-buddy" with, or praised by heathens, for being "understanding" of their stance.

It's not about being unscathed - whether it be from physical or emotional injury, or being villified, or ridiculed, or marginalized, or even shunned.







For those who think that upholding and staying true to what is in the Scriptures beats the purpose of converting non-believers,
and instead drives them away from Christianity......

....here is a sobering statement from Christ.




Matthew 10

22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.




Christianity is not about pleading with you to, "pretty please, see it from my viewpoint, and please believe!" Uh-uh.

Christianity is informing and explaining to you how you can be saved. Whether you want to believe it or not, that's up to you.


You have been invited by Christ. Your choice is whether to accept and take what is being offered.
Christians are simply His messengers who deliver His invitation. Making it known that the invitation is for EVERYONE!

All you have to do is call on Christ.




Your free will. No one will force you.

TAKE IT.............or................. LEAVE IT.

Sounds similar to fascism

 

[Daisy]

The site lists all the scripture you could ever want showing that the Book of John is Anti-Semitic.

Here's four sections of it:

1. Evidence that the author stands removed from Judaism


2. Negative Portrayal of "the Jews"

• "The Jews" used 71 times in John (and only 16 in the Synoptics), usually by the narrator
• typically the Jews are on the side of the "world"--those who do not believe

• possible referents:
  • all Jews (but the disciples and other followers were Jews; cf.9:22)
  • the religious leaders at the time John wrote
  • the majority of Jews at the time John wrote
  • the leaders and/or the masses at the time of Jesus' ministry

3. Negative Portrayals of the Leaders


4. Jewish Responsibility for Jesus' death

And what is not true? Please point our one false scripture...fact...the Jews, as a whole turned against Jesus, did they not? Fact, the Jews, as a whole called for Jesus to be killed, did they not? So, what part of John's words are untrue?

 

[Josie]

No, I am stating facts.

https://www.westmont.edu/~fisk/Lecture%20Outlines/Anti-JudaismInJohnAndJohn8.htm

1. Evidence that the author stands removed from Judaism


2. Negative Portrayal of "the Jews"

• "The Jews" used 71 times in John (and only 16 in the Synoptics), usually by the narrator
• typically the Jews are on the side of the "world"--those who do not believe

• possible referents:
  • all Jews (but the disciples and other followers were Jews; cf.9:22)
  • the religious leaders at the time John wrote
  • the majority of Jews at the time John wrote
  • the leaders and/or the masses at the time of Jesus' ministry

3. Negative Portrayals of the Leaders


4. Jewish Responsibility for Jesus' death



John is an Anti-Semitic screed.

By the time John was written, it had been most likely 70ish years since Jesus' death. There was definitely a rift between the more "traditional" Jews and the Jews that followed Jesus. A rift - a disagreement - isn't hate.

 

[Fishking]

Bull. It's all about feeling you're a better person than the "other." After all, they go to hell while the so-called Christian is assured a seat in heaven. Amirite?

Christianity isn't about anyone being better or earning your way to Heaven or Hell.

 

[calamity]

By the time John was written, it had been most likely 70ish years since Jesus' death. There was definitely a rift between the more "traditional" Jews and the Jews that followed Jesus. A rift - a disagreement - isn't hate.

John blames the Jews for the death of Christ. That's a bit more than a "rift."

4. Jewish Responsibility for Jesus' death

18:3, 12, 19-24; 19:15-16	Jewish responsibility declared
18:31, 38-40; 19:4-8, 12-16	Pilate succumbs to the desires of the Jewish leaders
18:38; 19:4, 6, 12	Pilate declares Jesus innocent

 

[calamity]

Christianity isn't about anyone being better or earning your way to Heaven or Hell.

Nonsense. One of the Christian tenets is that only Christians go to heaven. Did you not know this?

 

[Josie]

John blames the Jews for the death of Christ. That's a bit more than a "rift."

4. Jewish Responsibility for Jesus' death

Reporting factual events also isn't "hate".

 

[Daisy]

John blames the Jews for the death of Christ. That's a bit more than a "rift."

4. Jewish Responsibility for Jesus' death

So, what part of that is not true?


BARABBAS

(Bar·abʹbas) [Son of the Father; possibly, Son of the Teacher].

The imprisoned criminal guilty of robbery, sedition, and murder whom Pilate set free in place of Jesus. Pilate did this, “wishing to satisfy the crowd” who clamored for the release of Barabbas at the insistence of the chief priests and older men.—Mt 27:15-26; Mr 15:6-15; Lu 23:16-25; Joh 18:39, 40; Ac 3:14.

This unique custom of releasing a prisoner at the Passover every year finds no basis or precedent in the Hebrew Scriptures, and there is no extrabiblical evidence of it as a Roman practice. It evidently was of Jewish origin, because Pilate said to the Jews: “You have a custom that I should release a man to you at the passover.”—Joh 18:39.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000556

 

[Integrityrespec]

Bull. It's all about feeling you're a better person than the "other." After all, they go to hell while the so-called Christian is assured a seat in heaven. Amirite?

It's not about feeling we are better than you. It's about the knowledge that we will be with Christ and having peace in that. It's about caring that others reject Christ and will not be with him. It's about caring not gloating.

 

[Daisy]

Nonsense. One of the Christian tenets is that only Christians go to heaven. Did you not know this?

No, the teaching of the Bible is that only those who believe in/accept Jesus' ransom sacrifice can gain everlasting life...John 3:16,36...

 

[Fishking]

Nonsense. One of the Christian tenets is that only Christians go to heaven. Did you not know this?

Correct, but not because of merit.

 

[calamity]

...not because of merit.

What difference does that make?

 

[calamity]

No, the teaching of the Bible is that only those who believe in/accept Jesus' ransom sacrifice can gain everlasting life...John 3:16,36...

More John "othering." Why do you follow a book of hate?

 

[Fishking]

What difference does that make?

...wut? You don't actually understand the difference?

It's the difference between someone working really hard and earning an Olympic gold medal and someone being given a gold medal without doing anything and free of charge. They aren't the same at all. Not even a little.

 

[calamity]

It's not about feeling we are better than you. It's about the knowledge that we will be with Christ and having peace in that. It's about caring that others reject Christ and will not be with him. It's about caring not gloating.

That's a mighty arrogant opinion. Thanks for making my point.

 

[Daisy]

More John "othering." Why do you follow a book of hate?

The book that speaks of love more than any other gospel is a book of hate...that does not compute...

 

[calamity]

...wut? You don't actually understand the difference?

It's the difference between someone working really hard and earning an Olympic gold medal and someone being given a gold medal without doing anything and free of charge. They aren't the same at all. Not even a little.

My point is made. Fact is, Christians believe their faith gets them a free ticket to heaven. They think they are better than everyone else, you know, all of those who will not get into heaven.

 

[Mashmont]

Actually, religious fanatics demanded he be put to death. Learn a lesson from that.

The Romans put him to death. They were pagans.

Cool. Satan approves of your ripping and hate. Gratz!

I don't show hatred for any members as you leftwingers do. But I do hate evil acts.

 

[Fishking]

My point is made.

No it wasn't. What a weak copout of a statement. You know it was bogus, was proven to be, and so you just stick with your BS.

 

[calamity]

The book that speaks of love more than any other gospel is a book of hate...that does not compute...

It should. After all, everyone knows Christians persecuted Jews for every bit of two thousand years. Ever wonder why?

...even harsher language is directed at "the Jews" in the Gospel according to John. This late first-century writing features bitter internal Jewish argumentation. Hard fighting and harsh words were no strangers to religious strife among post-70 Jews....

The drastic change came in 380 ..."Whom do [the Jews] have to avenge the synagogue? Christ whom they have killed, whom they have denied? Or will God the Father avenge them, whom they do not acknowledge as Father since they do not acknowledge the Son?" This kind of writing typifies the shape the Christian argument had taken over the course of two centuries.

Christian Persecution of Jews over the Centuries - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

 

[calamity]

The Romans put him to death. They were pagans.
...

Actually, Rome granted him a pardon. Look it up.

 

[Mashmont]

Actually, Rome granted him a pardon. Look it up.

Roman soldiers killed Jesus. Look it up.

 

[Daisy]

My point is made. Fact is, Christians believe their faith gets them a free ticket to heaven. They think they are better than everyone else, you know, all of those who will not get into heaven.

Not at all, Cal...being a Christian is striving to please God, not about comparing oneself to anyone else...

But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person." Galatians 6:4

"Whatever you are doing, work at it whole-souled as for Jehovah, and not for men," Colossians 3:23

 

[calamity]

No it wasn't. What a weak copout of a statement. You know it was bogus, was proven to be, and so you just stick with your BS.

Ridiculous. You tell me only "believers" get to go to heaven while I, who refuses to believe, will not. Then, you pretend said belief is not actually thinking Christians are better than me?

Hmmm....interesting.